why Uchiha Madara is teh true winner in teh end

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ok Madara Uchiha is like Joker from Batman or maybe even better...


you all believe that Madara lost in teh end right befor kaguya emerged...but that's not true..


in truth Madara did not lose for 2 main reasons :

1-There wasn't an act of losing or being defeated by Madara :

in teh battlefield : Madara WON against teh allied shinobis and managed to defeat nearly everyone : sasuke, naruto, 5kages, hashirama,tobirama...and list is long.....then he succeed in casting Mugen tsukoyomi but sadly Madara GOT BETRAYED AND BACKSTABED by B.Zetsu in teh end...


2-from principles view : Madara is no matter what always winner even if he loses...calm down i'll explain you why:)

what was Madara's famous principle in life??? ...

his famous principle was : "there no wish ,there's no Hope that can be achieved in this life..." right???

and Naruto uzumaki was trying to prove Madara wrong cuz for naruto " there are wishes and hopes that can be achieved in this life"...right???



thus : teh one who was right was Madara cuz :

1-if Madara's Mugen tsukoyomi plan succeeds then he is true winner

2-and if his Mugen tsukoyomi plan fails , that means Madara is still right and winner becuz he is right : there was at least one wish or dream Madara couldn't achieve wich is casting muge tsukoyomi and creating teh dreamworld..

THIS IS WHY MADARA IS ALWAYS WINNING EVEN WHEN HE LOSES...BEST VILLAIN AND CHARACTER!


 
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Amazing thread minamoto. ^^ I agree to what you said. If he wasn't betrayed his plan would have worked. But actually it isn't nice to trust someone too much. That's what we learn.
 
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well the reason why he ultimately lost was that he was simply a lackey.

His plan was not really his. That's why I think he lost. Not because he got backstabbed or anything but rather this whole essence of being Madara, who he was and what he really stood for, was all part of someone else's plan.

To make it worse, there's a bit of a karmatic irony to it as well. He betrayed Obito, used him as his lackey. Told him about the plan only to betray Obito, use him to resurrect himself and trigger the IT himself. Even that was not his but rather Kaguya/BZ's plan for Madara.

So Madara really did die when Hashirama killed him. Madara really lost his way when he read that stone tablet. Everything Madara ended when he made Konoha and decided to abandon it.
 
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wanderingcactus said:
well the reason why he ultimately lost was that he was simply a lackey.

His plan was not really his. That's why I think he lost. Not because he got backstabbed or anything but rather this whole essence of being Madara, who he was and what he really stood for, was all part of someone else's plan.

To make it worse, there's a bit of a karmatic irony to it as well. He betrayed Obito, used him as his lackey. Told him about the plan only to betray Obito and trigger the IT himself. Even that was not his but rather Kaguya/BZ's plan for Madara.

So Madara really did die when Hashirama killed him. Madara really lost his way when he read that stone tablet. Everything Madara ended when he made Konoha and decided to abandon it.
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WRONG : madara is genius his true plan that he devised is dreamworld (read chap 606)...mugen tsukoyomi was just step leading to final goal dreamworld
 

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Naruko uzumaki said:
Amazing thread minamoto. ^^ I agree to what you said. If he wasn't betrayed his plan would have worked. But actually it isn't nice to trust someone too much. That's what we learn.
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Ayesha plz
 
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wanderingcactus said:
well the reason why he ultimately lost was that he was simply a lackey.

His plan was not really his. That's why I think he lost. Not because he got backstabbed or anything but rather this whole essence of being Madara, who he was and what he really stood for, was all part of someone else's plan.

To make it worse, there's a bit of a karmatic irony to it as well. He betrayed Obito, used him as his lackey. Told him about the plan only to betray Obito, use him to resurrect himself and trigger the IT himself. Even that was not his but rather Kaguya/BZ's plan for Madara.

So Madara really did die when Hashirama killed him. Madara really lost his way when he read that stone tablet. Everything Madara ended when he made Konoha and decided to abandon it.
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This can be another way to view Madara's failure.
 

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- Sasuke solos get rekt fodder
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I think someday, there will be a lot of crossovers with Madara in the future. He is a very good constructed character!
 
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Nobel said:
Are you attracted to monkeys? Well it's not a real coincidence huh
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he stalks my profile and posts everyday....he keeps imitating me;he's teh reall monkey
 

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Oro is also a winner
1- Alive
2- COMFIRMED that he will outlive the heroes of the series
2- still experimenting around
3- No one can do anything about it, even if they will kill him, he will come back as usual.
 
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