How Intelligent is Karin?

[Made in Heaven]

But its not just that she was out of place, her personality too was horrible. Maybe her parents didn't teach her good manners and humility. I think she was selfish too, that's why as a ninja she never took the initiative to contribute to the team's effort most of the time with the chunin exam forest of death battle being the only exception. At least the other kunoichis tried but no not Sakura. She'd just cry Naruto kun or Sasuke kun when in danger lol.

Her personality clashing with the other members of her team is a symptom of her character and backstory, or lack thereof. You can't take war orphans and a bubbly normal girl who's main motive his love and how her hair looks while the others want to stop being labeled a monster, want to avenge their massacred family, and want to make amends with all the people they've lost and failed to save, and still expect good chemistry. People act like Sakura is better than the other female characters in the series for whatever reason, but it can't be emphasized how badly she mixes with the other MCs. I'd say I'm shocked the dude just didn't write Sakura out of the story and replace her, but this is Kishi we're talking about after all.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

And there is more to it because she was supposed to be a role model to a lot of real life girls who were growing up. But she proved time after time to be a crying baby with absolutely no self respect, even as an adult. Who breaks her own house down? Because she still has doubts about her "'relationship"" with Sasuke? Who protects a person who tried to kill her without even trying to lecture him?
Yeah, she got training from a Sannin, but how does she shows off that skills? Being a single a mother and a housewife for someone who doesn't even recognize their daughter?
Even '90's animes were better.....

Exactly. Kishi too realized the fail he had created but it was too late.
I think adult Sakura is having some psychological problems due to her relationship troubles with Sasuke. Probably Sasuke realized this and returned back to the village to take care of Sarada. And about the training from the Sanins, Sakura is the only MC who couldn't surpass their master.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Her personality clashing with the other members of her team is a symptom of her character and backstory, or lack thereof. You can't take war orphans and a bubbly normal girl who's main motive his love and how her hair looks while the others want to stop being labeled a monster, want to avenge their massacred family, and want to make amends with all the people they've lost and failed to save, and still expect good chemistry.

I agree so much with this, because if Sasuke was to be given a love interest,I expected it to be at least someone who could understand him and his inner pain. What does Sakura add to his life? What does she understand about the Uchiha Clan importance, and what they have been through? Did Sasuke even consider her worthy of knowing about the secret about the massacre? When the only time when I remember him trying to give her an insight of what sadness and hatred is I just remember this, sorry:

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Her personality clashing with the other members of her team is a symptom of her character and backstory, or lack thereof. You can't take war orphans and a bubbly normal girl who's main motive his love and how her hair looks while the others want to stop being labeled a monster, want to avenge their massacred family, and want to make amends with all the people they've lost and failed to save, and still expect good chemistry. People act like Sakura is better than the other female characters in the series for whatever reason, but it can't be emphasized how badly she mixes with the other MCs. I'd say I'm shocked the dude just didn't write Sakura out of the story and replace her, but this is Kishi we're talking about after all.

Yep, she dreamed of Sasuke who thought of her as an annoyance and was focused on avenging his clan and treated Naruto like trash. She never tried to understand their feelings until they saved her ass in each and every battle and even then it was always about her and her desires. Yup Sakura was a big mistake. I just don't get how people can actually like her.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Exactly. Kishi too realized the fail he had created but it was too late.
I think adult Sakura is having some psychological problems due to her relationship troubles with Sasuke. Probably Sasuke realized this and returned back to the village to take care of Sarada. And about the training from the Sanins, Sakura is the only MC who couldn't surpass their master.

I wonder why there are even people who try to defend her character. What is there to defend anyway? An archaic prejudiced stereotype about girls and women?

 

[Mellanoma]

She was highly intelligent but she had issues controlling her emotions which lead to her becoming irrational. Prime example getting kicked by Danzou. She was so afraid of losing Sasuke that she forgot how strong Danzou really was.

If she was focused and set her emotions aside I imagine she would be an even better genius.

 

[Melanin]

Lol the thread is about Karin and her intelligence yet its turned into a negative connotative sakura discussion, which I expected to happen. Feeble Feeble Feeble...

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I wonder why there are even people who try to defend her character. What is there to defend anyway? An archaic prejudiced stereotype about girls and women?

I don't know lol. You can ask them. Then again they'll post the few scans where Sakura does something like healing Naruto or punching Kaguya, eventually they run out of scans...

And they'll derail each and every thread about some other female character lol.

 

[Made in Heaven]

She was highly intelligent but she had issues controlling her emotions which lead to her becoming irrational. Prime example getting kicked by Danzou. She was so afraid of losing Sasuke that she forgot how strong Danzou really was.

If she was focused and set her emotions aside I imagine she would be an even better genius.

Karin's emotional instability is at least justified by her backstory.

 

[Mellanoma]

Karin's emotional instability is at least justified by her backstory.

Im not speaking against Karin's character just answering the OP in reference to her Intelligence. Her emotional irrationality hindered her intelligence at times.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

She was highly intelligent but she had issues controlling her emotions which lead to to becoming irrational. Prime example when she got kicked by Danzou because she was so afraid of losing Sasuke that she forget how strong Danzou really was.

If she was focused and set her emotions aside I imagine she would be a genius.

Well, Uzumaki are known for their temper, but as you said they are awesome and quite powerful for Hashirama marry one and Madara praise Nagato, Mito and Naruto.
Uzumaki pride!!

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[UnknownJin]

hmm...

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[~Ethereal~]

Smart enough to actually move on from her obsession.

 

[shelke]

Karin is smarter and equally talented, if not more, than Sakura. Why? Let's see, she was left in charge of an entire base by Orochimaru. She was managing it all by herself. Second, she figured out Izanagi all on her own. Sure, it took her a lot longer than Sasuke, but Sakura doesn't match Sasuke in talent and intelligence either. Not even close.

She created a strategy to fool Konoha when they were following Sasuke. Successfully, might I add. She dismantled the small Buddha statue. Well, the front of it anyway, when strength is not even her talent. Name one sensor that is at Karin's level bar the JJ's their Senjutsu augmentations; Naruto's Frog SM is pretty poor there bar the distance thing? Name one!

She can tell if someone is lying, who is a Shadow Clone (which even ocular users cannot accomplish, unless it's a very rare, high tier one), her sensing range is immense (over 20 km, actually), she can tell which are animals etc. No sensor is better there. So, as a sensor, Karin is way more talented than Sakura who is using someone else's talent. Hashirama used to heal as well. Tsunade does the same. Tell me how many people have Karin's level of sensing without ridiculous handouts? Can't think of any. She's a very peculiar healer as well. Heck, Tsunade wouldn't have been able to help Sakura aid thousands if it wasn't for Karin. Not to mention the fact, she damaged the statue that aided the Shinobis greatly.

Sakura fans simply dislike Karin as she was open about her sexual desires, unlike Sakura who hid behind common pretense when she lusted intensely for Sasuke. That is all there is to it. Heck, she managed to take Sasuke's virtue as well. :kd:

Her personality clashing with the other members of her team is a symptom of her character and backstory, or lack thereof. You can't take war orphans and a bubbly normal girl who's main motive his love and how her hair looks while the others want to stop being labeled a monster, want to avenge their massacred family, and want to make amends with all the people they've lost and failed to save, and still expect good chemistry. People act like Sakura is better than the other female characters in the series for whatever reason, but it can't be emphasized how badly she mixes with the other MCs. I'd say I'm shocked the dude just didn't write Sakura out of the story and replace her, but this is Kishi we're talking about after all.

That is the main problem with her: she makes everything about herself. Sasuke was never ever in her equation. Glad to see that he stays clear of her. Such a toxic woman deserves nothing better.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

She was smart enough not to end up like Sakura at the EoS

 

[Melanin]

Karin is smarter and equally talented, if not more, than Sakura. Why? Let's see, she was left in charge of an entire base by Orochimaru.

(1) I do think Karin's talent is worth comparison in the sense of her innate abilities but she isn't smarter then Sakura and is not as accomplished. Sakura mastered an entire branch of ninjutsu and Tsunades entire arsenal in three years with no genetic benefits or bloodline (clan ties). I think that makes Sakura's talent more notable. (2) Karin's sensory is defiantly OP (I always believed that)!

She was managing it all by herself. Second, she figured out Izanagi all on her own. Sure, it took her a lot longer than Sasuke, but Sakura does n't match Sasuke in talent and intelligence either. Not even close

Sakura figured out Obitos tangibility on seconds after seeing it one time (2) Sasuke being more talented and intelligent doesn't debunk Sakura>Karin in those aspects.

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She created a strategy to fool Konoha when they were following Sasuke. Successfully, might I add. She dismantled the small Buddha statue. Well, the front of it anyway, when strength is not even her talent. Name one sensor that is at Karin's level bar the JJ's their Senjutsu augmentations; Naruto's Frog SM is pretty poor there bar the distance thing? Name one!

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I agree about the sensory but Karin destroying the Buddha statue doesn't equal talent, it promotes her capabilities/potential being that she doesn't have control over the chakra chains she used to destroy the statute. If she was summoning her chakra chains consciously and implementing them in a tatic form then it would promote her talent.

She can tell if someone is lying, who is a Shadow Clone (which even ocular users cannot accomplish, unless it's a very rare, high tier one), her sensing range is immense (over 20 km, actually), she can tell which are animals etc. No sensor is better there

I agree!

So, as a sensor, Karin is way more talented than Sakura who is using someone else's talent. Hashirama used to heal as well.

What? How is Sakura using someome someone else's talent? Every stitch of sakuras abilities solely rely on her chakra control and intelligence? Are you saying that sense her regenerative abilities (that she learned) are comparable to Hashirama's healing factor their less noteworthy? That hoesntly makes no sense. Your making it sound like she downloaded that ability like she was preparing to enter the matrix. ALSO HASHIRAMA DIDNT HEAL OTHERS...

Tsunade does the same

Yes Sakura can do what Tsunade can do but that's a pro and not a con! Tsunade was hailed as the world's strongest medical ninja and female ninja period. No body was comparable to her until Sakura came along.... Speaks volumes..,.

Tsunade wouldn't have been able to help Sakura aid thousands if it wasn't for Karin.[/QUOTE

I will always give credit where its due but keep in mind that Karin is alive because sakura healed her grave wounds from sasuke. Side note: sakura already had healed thousands by herself without anyone's aid but she helped the second time.

 

[shelke]

(1) I do think Karin's talent is worth comparison in the sense of her innate abilities but she isn't smarter then Sakura and is not as accomplished. Sakura mastered an entire branch of ninjutsu and Tsunades entire arsenal in three years with no genetic benefits or bloodline (clan ties). I think that makes Sakura's talent more notable. (2) Karin's sensory is defiantly OP (I always believed that)!

Karin's sensing has nothing to do with her bloodline. And what entire arsenal and branch? It's just one ability.

Sakura figured out Obitos tangibility on seconds after seeing it one time (2) Sasuke being more talented and intelligent doesn't debunk Sakura>Karin in those aspects.

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You do realize that I was the first person to even post it in bash threads, do you? I have never claimed Sakura is stupid. Actually, Sasuke is the fastest person to figure out that attacks "phase through" Obito, and that too in one sword swipe.

I was simply gauging Karin's intelligence as Sasuke figured it out as well.

I agree about the sensory but Karin destroying the Buddha statue doesn't equal talent, it promotes her capabilities/potential being that she doesn't have control over the chakra chains she used to destroy the statute. If she was summoning her chakra chains consciously and implementing them in a tatic form then it would promote her talent.

It doesn't. I simply said that it isn't her forte, but it's a feat regardless; something that adds to her arsenal.

What? How is Sakura using someone someone else's talent? Every stitch of sakuras abilities solely rely on her chakra control and intelligence? Are you saying that sense her regenerative abilities (that she learned) are comparable to Hashirama's healing factor their less noteworthy? That hoesntly makes no sense. Your making it sound like she downloaded that ability like she was preparing to enter the matrix. ALSO HASHIRAMA DIDNT HEAL OTHERS...

Eh, she never invented anything. I was talking about her arsenal here. I highly doubt her strategy feats were stolen from someone.

He didn't heal others, but his Jutsu had no affect on his body. SS does. Severe, actually.

Yes Sakura can do what Tsunade can do but that's a pro and not a con! Tsunade was hailed as the world's strongest medical ninja and female ninja period. No body was comparable to her until Sakura came along.... Speaks volumes..,.

Never claimed Sakura isn't talented. And nearly died herself? Point is, Karin was injured by Sasuke. Nothing she could have done. They healed her for interrogation, not out of the goodness of their hearts. A simple healer could have done it as well.

I will always give credit where its due but keep in mind that Karin is alive because sakura healed her grave wounds from sasuke. Side note: sakura already had healed thousands by herself without anyone's aid but she helped the second time.

Thousands? Highly doubt it as she wouldn't have been able to summon 10% of Katsuya without Tsunade, which allows for more small parts to heal more people. I would say a hundred or so.

 

[Made in Heaven]

(1) I do think Karin's talent is worth comparison in the sense of her innate abilities but she isn't smarter then Sakura and is not as accomplished. Sakura mastered an entire branch of ninjutsu and Tsunades entire arsenal in three years with no genetic benefits or bloodline (clan ties). I think that makes Sakura's talent more notable. (2) Karin's sensory is defiantly OP (I always believed that)!

Karin doesn't have innate abilities outside of healing. Her sensing and Chakra Chains are skills.

Karin is certainly smarter than Sakura, at least if we're talking about on the battle field, though Sakura would logically be smarter given that she's a doctor.

Mystic Palm and Yin Seal count as a whole branch now? She hardly has no noteworthy healing techs outside of Yin Seal that other medics couldn't do.

Sakura figured out Obitos tangibility on seconds after seeing it one time (2) Sasuke being more talented and intelligent doesn't debunk Sakura>Karin in those aspects.

Too bad this is undermined by how poorly it was shoehorned in.

I will always give credit where its due but keep in mind that Karin is alive because sakura healed her grave wounds from sasuke. Side note: sakura already had healed thousands by herself without anyone's aid but she helped the second time.

This is not necessarily true, considering she was able to heal herself from Tobi's attack, so healing one stab compared to multiple wouldn't have been the same. Karin was likely on the ground not doing anything due to how shocked she was at Sasuke betraying her, not that she couldn't move, and, again, the incident with Tobi supports this.

 

[lndra]

She's pretty smart I think

 

[Melanin]

Karin's sensing has nothing to do with her bloodline.

I never said her sensory was derived from a clan KKG, the reference wasn't aimed at Karin. What I said was sakura managed to rise shoulder to shoulder with Tsunade Senju-Uzumaki without any of the benefits Tsunade had but instead only had her talent to lean on.

And what entire arsenal and branch? It's just one ability.

Tsunades arsenal.. Medical Ninjutsu is what she mastered... And sakura learned more then on ability from Tsunade.

He didn't heal others, but his Jutsu had no affect on his body. SS does. Severe, actually

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I said all that first.

Never claimed Sakura isn't talented

And I never said you did.

And nearly died herself?

Yes.. Herself = Karin :scorps:

Point is, Karin was injured by Sasuke

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Who disputed that? Lol or are you replying to someone else?

Nothing she could have done.

Which is why sakura healed her?
[JUTSU][QUOE] they healed her for interrogation, not out of the goodness of their hearts.
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Lol stop trying to derail the argument, who said Karin was healed out of the goodness of sakuras heart? NOBODY

A simple healer could have done it as well

LOL SIMPLE? NOPE, INO IS A SIMPLE HEALER RIGHT? DID SHE SAVE ASUMA?

IT TAKES SKILL TO HEAL FATAL WOUNDS

THOUands?

Yes! Didn't she heal the alliance by herself before she did with Tsunade?

Highly doubt it as she wouldn't have been able to summon 10% of Katsuya without Tsunade.

Irrelevant, I never suggested that sakura could've summoned the 10% by herself.

would say a hundred or so.

Argue with the manga..

Karin doesn't have innate abilities outside of healing. Her sensing and Chakra Chains are skills.

Inate - existing in one from birth; inborn; native: 2. inherent in the essential character of something: an innate defect in the hypothesis.

THE Adamant Sealing Chains is a Uzumaki KKG so its inate and not something any can associate with.

Karin is certainly smarter than Sakura, at least if we're talking about on the battle field, though Sakura would logically be smarter given that she's a doctor.

Nope...

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Mystic Palm and Yin Seal count as a whole branch now?

MEDICAL NINJUTSU IS A BRANCH OF NINJUTSU! Those techniques are under the umbrella of MEDICAL NINJUTSU!

She hardly has no noteworthy healing techs outside of Yin Seal that other medics couldn't do.

WHAT? COUNTERING Sasoris poison when no one in the sand village could isn't noteworthy? Removing poison from a persons cellular structure by infusing your chakra to their cells isn't noteworthy!? Lol bye
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Yhis is not necessarily true, considering she was able to heal herself from Tobi's attack, so healing one stab compared to multiple wouldn't have been the same.

If Karin had chakra she wkukdve healed herself without a doubt but she couldn't which is why sakura did. Again: DEAD

Karin was likely on the ground not doing anything due to how shocked she was at Sasuke betraying her, not that she couldn't move, and, again, the incident with Tobi supports this.

NAH, keep that narrative to yourself..

The manga says diffrent