[Discussion] Could God ever forgive Satan?

[Glad Of War]

Because it doesn't have a physical form? "Sin" is the same concept as "life." It's a concept, it's a state of being. If God created life, then he can create sin.

There are semantics to the word "life." When we say he created life, its interpretation implies he created humans and all living things.

Sin is a concept with a sole interpretation. It's a derivative of being disobedient. God cannot create something that becomes whole due to our inability to consign with his principles.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There are semantics to the word "life." When we say he created life, its interpretation implies he created humans and all living things.

So...he created the concept of life.

Sin is a concept with a sole interpretation. It's a derivative of being disobedient. God cannot create something that becomes whole due to our inability to consign with his principles.

So nothing can exist if not for God, according to God, but YOU'RE telling him he's wrong? Okay.

 

[Glad Of War]

So...he created the concept of life.


So nothing can exist if not for God, according to God, but YOU'RE telling him he's wrong? Okay.

He created the concept of life and gave it form.

"So nothing can exist if not for God,"

Life, matter cannot exist if not for God. Formless concept like evil has always existed. And evil has several derivatives, such as being disobedient. Disobedient also has a derivative, which is sin. Notice how sin is a constituent of evil, God couldn't had possibly created?

 

[Punk Hazard]

He created the concept of life

Stopped reading here. Apparently God can create the concept of life, but can't create sin because it's a concept. Brilliant!

And don't give me that nonsense about how "God can't create sin because XYZ needs to be happening for sin to exist."

That's like saying if humans all committed suicide right now, then God didn't really create human life since humans need to sustain themselves for it to exist.

 

[Glad Of War]

Stopped reading here. Apparently God can create the concept of life, but can't create sin because it's a concept. Brilliant!

And don't give me that nonsense about how "God can't create sin because XYZ needs to be happening for sin to exist."

That's like saying if humans all committed suicide right now, then God didn't really create human life since humans need to sustain themselves for it to exist.

You realize the concept of "life" gave way to our existence? In a way, it became non-abstract based on the fact it pursued the existence of the living.

Sin is a concept with no ends meat. It begat nothing physical. It's just a derivative of us being disobedient.. something I've stated countless times now.

"That's like saying if humans all committed suicide right now, then God didn't really create human life since humans need to sustain themselves for it to exist"

Lolwut
This analogy is a total fail. Unlike sin that gets its pathway from our actions, life directly came from God. Meaning, it's not a derivative of anything. Even if we commit suicide, we aren't actually creating life. Life is not a derivative of our existence, conversely our existence is derivative of life. This can be justified with reasons that God cannot actually alter our existence or the way we live. He gave us the agency to form our own path.

Now you seem unwavering towards your notion, and I'll rather not try and pursue a lost cause. So here's a suitable article to enlighten you on why God didn't create sin.

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[Tantalus Thief]

[h=1]“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”[/h]
Plus if he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent he knew that adam & eve would steal the apple off the tree and plus adam and eve didnt have a moral compass to base whether their decision was a test or not

this reminds me of this video i watched lol

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[demon of the leaf]

Congrats, you also missed the point completely. God needs sentient life to exist IN GENERAL.

No if he needed then he would have created us without freewill and we would be completely subserviant to god and be free of sin

 

[Punk Hazard]

No if he needed then he would have created us without freewill and we would be completely subserviant to god and be free of sin

lol at you believing that illusion of choice so thoroughly. "Do what I say or I'll kill you" isn't a choice.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

lol at you believing that illusion of choice so thoroughly. "Do what I say or I'll kill you" isn't a choice.

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[Made in Heaven]

God created both good and evil, but it's still our choice to choose which one we take. He didn't need to create alcohol, swine, or the emotions that lead to rape, theft, or murder, but they are there. At the same time however, every human is given the absolute capability to keep themselves away from these sins, so the blame falls on them if they commit it.

lol at you believing that illusion of choice so thoroughly. "Do what I say or I'll kill you" isn't a choice.

The ability to make choices was given to humans because worshiping God out of one's own will is superior to worshiping through force/naturally in a robot-like way and God wanted to create a species like that. You may say it's still forcing people to worship because of the threat of hell, but hell is there for justice against those who would willingly misuse their free will and step on the rights of other humans, on the rights of nature, on the rights of their own bodies, or on the rights of God.

 

[Punk Hazard]

God created both good and evil, but it's still our choice to choose which one we take. He didn't need to create alcohol, swine, or the emotions that lead to rape, theft, or murder, but they are there. At the same time however, every human is given the absolute capability to keep themselves away from these sins, so the blame falls on them if they commit it.

lmaooo AND YOU'RE FINE WITH THIS?

 

[Made in Heaven]

lmaooo AND YOU'RE FINE WITH THIS?

What do you mean "am I fine with this"? Of course not, I'd much prefer to live a solely good world, but that isn't the world God put as in, he put us in a world of good and evil so that he'd see who would obey him, hence why I'm aiming to go to Paradise through obeying him.

 

[whiteboy2345]

God created both good and evil, but it's still our choice to choose which one we take. He didn't need to create alcohol, swine, or the emotions that lead to rape, theft, or murder, but they are there. At the same time however, every human is given the absolute capability to keep themselves away from these sins, so the blame falls on them if they commit it.



The ability to make choices was given to humans because worshiping God out of one's own will is superior to worshiping through force/naturally in a robot-like way and God wanted to create a species like that. You may say it's still forcing people to worship because of the threat of hell, but hell is there for justice against those who would willingly misuse their free will and step on the rights of other humans, on the rights of nature, on the rights of their own bodies, or on the rights of God.

Almost all sins that we aren't allowed to commit, revolve around human nature, most of the sins are completely harmless as well. If my nature revolves around ***, and other carnal and natural desires, why would I throw them away for something I cannot see or prove?

God created sin, and people who were never going to make it to heaven, knowing that they wouldn't and that they would never change and yet he still created them, knowing they wouldn't change. These people are going to burn for an eternity, and yet you're okay with it because you're struck with the "If it isn't me then it's okay" syndrome.

 

[Made in Heaven]

She said worship and acknowledgment aren't the same thing.

Didn't mean it like that. I meant that God does not crave acknowledgment as Riker was claiming. Worship is acknowledgement, but it doesn't benefit or detract from him one bit. Riker was making it sound like God NEEDED our acknowledgement.

Almost all sins that we aren't allowed to commit, revolve around human nature, most of the sins are completely harmless as well. If my nature revolves around ***, and other carnal and natural desires, why would I throw them away for something I cannot see or prove?

God created sin, and people who were never going to make it to heaven, knowing that they wouldn't and that they would never change and yet he still created them, knowing they wouldn't change. These people are going to burn for an eternity, and yet you're okay with it because you're struck with the "If it isn't me then it's okay" syndrome.

*** isn't a sin, pal.

And again, as I said, it is 100% possible to avoid sinning enough to enter Paradise and avoid Hell. God knows we will sin, that we will make blunders along the way, that's why he's willing to forgive us, but staying away from sinful behavior 51% of your life in order to enter Paradise is possible for every human.

God has a piece of heaven and hell reserved for every person who ever existed, meaning both hell and paradise are available for every person. It's our choice which one we get. Just because God KNOWS the end result of the test of our lives doesn't mean we're not the one's writing the test. As for burning for eternity, that's questionable, though its not something I want to touch upon.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Didn't mean it like that. I meant that God does not crave acknowledgment as Riker was claiming. Worship is acknowledgement, but it doesn't benefit or detract from him one bit. Riker was making it sound like God NEEDED our acknowledgement.



*** isn't a sin, pal.

And again, as I said, it is 100% possible to avoid sinning enough to enter Paradise and avoid Hell. God knows we will sin, that we will make blunders along the way, that's why he's willing to forgive us, but staying away from sinful behavior 51% of your life in order to enter Paradise is possible for every human.

God has a piece of heaven and hell reserved for every person who ever existed, meaning both hell and paradise are available for every person. It's our choice which one we get. Just because God KNOWS the end result of the test of our lives doesn't mean we're not the one's writing the test. As for burning for eternity, that's questionable, though its not something I want to touch upon.

You can't deny that some people will end up in hell without a doubt and yet God still made them knowing they would make that choice.

 

[demon of the leaf]

You can't deny that some people will end up in hell without a doubt and yet God still made them knowing they would make that choice.

He made everything down to the personality but the choices are our own to make the fault our own if we **** up the punishment our own fault thats all it boils down too pinning the blame wont change the result of own actions

 

[Nobel]

Could God forgive himself?

 

[demon of the leaf]

lol at you believing that illusion of choice so thoroughly. "Do what I say or I'll kill you" isn't a choice.

Yes it is its ether choose death or go along with it in any case god isnt making you follow his rules but theres a consiquences to every bad choice god doesn't like to give punishment but he will give it

 

[Made in Heaven]

You can't deny that some people will end up in hell without a doubt and yet God still made them knowing they would make that choice.

Yeah .

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

[h=1]“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”[/h]
Plus if he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent he knew that adam & eve would steal the apple off the tree and plus adam and eve didnt have a moral compass to base whether their decision was a test or not

Interference would be taking away free will.