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kido's jutsu is not elemental style nor it was said it belongs to whole clan unlike Hozuki's
nor derivative of its jutsu are listed as elemental style unlike hydrification.

2 of 3 known hydrification technique user are confirmed water element user

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Just because they're can use suiton doesn't mean that every single technique they use is suiton.

The ones that begin with "Water Style:" definitely are and the ones that don't begin with it are definitely not.
 

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I'd never stated his Hiden to be similar to Suigetsu's clan Hiden through nature, merely due to in-dependency. Hydrification technique also isn't listed as an element style, if that were the case the title "water style" would've came prior to the techniques name.

Their element of usage plays no role, especially when Hiden have been shown to not be element in nature (Aburame), or chakra dependent (Kidōmaru).

and that matters why.Tsunade's Ranshinsho isn't listed as lightning style doesn't take rocket science to know it is


Kidomaru's jutsu are said to be saliva and sweat and we know that Aburame uses bug

4th databook credits Gengetsu's mastery over suiton to being hozuki so it doesn't take much to realise hydrification technique is suiton

Nidaime (2nd) Mizukage
鬼灯幻月, Hōzuki Gengetsu
Kirigakure, Mizukage
Icons:
Yin, Yang, Fire, Water, Earth, Lightning
Kekkei-Genkai, Hiden, Kuchiyose,
Splash Text:
修羅に身を置く
豪放磊落たる傾奇者
Leaving behind bodies in the scene of carnage during war,
His inclination is towards being an unconventional and broad-minded person.

Main Body 1:
宿敵である二代目土影・無との激闘は、今でも忍界の語り草となっている。戦いを楽しむ戦闘狂で、その類い稀なる戦闘センスで水影にまで上り詰めた男だ。
The Nidaime (Second) Tsuchikage, Mū, is an old foe of his, whom he fiercely fought with. Even now, the Ninja World discusses the topic. Enjoying himself in war as a combat enthusiast, he’s a man who had ascended into becoming the Mizukage because he had engrossed himself with that unique battle sense.

Main Body 2:
陽気で豪快な彼だが、実戦になると極めて堅実。口寄せした蜃の蜃気楼で敵を撹乱し、その隙に攻撃する。さらに油を使う特異な水遁は多くの忍を苦しめた。
He’s a cheerful and lively person. However, when it comes to battling, he’s extremely solid. Through his summoning of Ōhamaguri no Shinkirō (Giant Clam Mirage), he perturbs the enemy. He strikes during that interval. Furthermore, he has a unique Suiton (Water Release) that uses oil, which has tormented many shinobi.

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鬼灯一族の幻月は、”水鉄砲の術” を始め、水遁系忍術に精通している。
As Gengetsu of the Hōzuki clan, he’s in expert in different types of Suiton Ninjutsu, which includes Mizudeppō no Jutsu (Water Pistol no Jutsu).

Bottom Caption:
蜃の蜃気楼で、敵の攻撃を全て無効化してしまう。攻防に優れた有用な術だ。
With Ōhamaguri no Shinkirō (Giant Clam Mirage), all of the enemy’s attacks are reduced to no effect. It’s a helpful ninjutsu for both offense and defense.

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ヤッべ...!! バトルがたのしくなってきたぜ!!
Yeah...! The battle is becoming enjoyable!!

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No Ninja ID #
Birthday: 10/26 (Age at death unknown), Scorpio
Height: 186.6cm, Weight: 75.4kg, Blood Type AB
Personality: 好戦的 (Belligerent)、自信家 (Confident)

Favourite:
海産物の中でも貝類が特に大好物。この栄養豊富な海の幸が、幻月の原動力となる。
Above all other seafoods, his favourite food is especially shellfish. This seafood, which is abundant with nutrition, amounts to Gengetsu’s driving force.

Just because they're can use suiton doesn't mean that every single technique they use is suiton.

The ones that begin with "Water Style:" definitely are and the ones that don't begin with it are definitely not.

so you tell me which one of their jutsu isn't water style.I will wait
 
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and that matters why.Kidomaru's jutsu are said to be saliva and sweat and we know that Aburame uses bug

4th databook credits Gengetsu's mastery over suiton to being hozuki so it doesn't take much to realise hydrification technique is suiton





so you tell me which one of their jutsu isn't water style.I will wait

My points are as clear as they can be, you're being dense to the notion, when it's already been shown that Hiden techniques both do not require chakra, nor an element affinity (hence my example/bringing up Kido, and the Aburame clan).

Mastery over water means nothing when the technique is specifically a Hiden. No where in the DB does it state it to be a Ninjutsu (meaning a technique of chakra, which would then strength your water nature point) — Here are the DB4 translations for Water Pistol, and Double Water Pistol jutsu:

Mizudeppo-no-Jutsu (Water Gun Technique) (P.294)
Spoiler: Translated from German Show

Category: Ninjutsu, Hiden

User(s): Suigetsu Hozuki, Mangetsu Hozuki, Gengetsu Hozuki

Difficulty level: B
Role: offense
Range: close - far


Shot with the speed of a flash/thunderbolt, a drop becomes a deadly bullet!

This technique turns water into a terrifying weapon. One drop is all it takes to terminate a human life. It's fired under high pressure, surpassing the speed of sound – and transforms into a knife-sharp blade, which pierces the body of the enemy without mercy.


[Images] ↑↓ The concept is very simply, however, you can use this jutsu only if you're able to transform yourself into water. The caster aims at his victim and shoots from his index finger a bullet out of water drops…!

Dual-wielded Mizudeppo (P.326)
Spoiler: Translated from German Show

Category: Ninjutsu, Hiden
First appearance: volume 69, page 108

An advancement of Mizudeppo-no-Jutsu, which fires high pressured water bullets from the index finger. When you use the index fingers of both hands, as if it were a double-barreled gun, you double the power of this jutsu.

Water Pistol is both a Hiden, and Ninjutsu — This is an example of a water style Hiden. The Hydrification isn't.
 
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My points are as clear as they can be, you're being dense to the notion, when it's already been shown that Hiden techniques both do not require chakra, nor an element affinity (hence my example/bringing up Kido, and the Aburame clan).

I have a strong feeling whose alt you are :lol
it is nothing like either kido's or aburame's technique
Mastery over water means nothing when the technique is specifically a Hiden. No where in the DB does it state it to be a Ninjutsu (meaning an technique of chakra, which would then strength your water nature point) — Here are the DB4 translations for Water Pistol, and Double Water Pistol jutsu:

Mizudeppo-no-Jutsu (Water Gun Technique) (P.294)
Spoiler: Translated from German Show
Category: Ninjutsu, Hiden

User(s): Suigetsu Hozuki, Mangetsu Hozuki, Gengetsu Hozuki

Difficulty level: B
Role: offense
Range: close - far


Shot with the speed of a flash/thunderbolt, a drop becomes a deadly bullet!

This technique turns water into a terrifying weapon. One drop is all it takes to terminate a human life. It's fired under high pressure, surpassing the speed of sound – and transforms into a knife-sharp blade, which pierces the body of the enemy without mercy.

[Images] ↑↓ The concept is very simply, however, you can use this jutsu only if you're able to transform yourself into water. The caster aims at his victim and shoots from his index finger a bullet out of water drops…!
Dual-wielded Mizudeppo (P.326)
Spoiler: Translated from German Show
Category: Ninjutsu, Hiden
First appearance: volume 69, page 108
An advancement of Mizudeppo-no-Jutsu, which fires high pressured water bullets from the index finger. When you use the index fingers of both hands, as if it were a double-barreled gun, you double the power of this jutsu.

maybe the top left panel

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As Gengetsu of the Hōzuki clan, he’s in expert in different types of Suiton Ninjutsu, which includes Mizudeppō no Jutsu (Water Pistol no Jutsu).

... The hiden one in which they liquefy their bodies.

becoz their body isn't turning into water and conducting electricity huh :lol

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I have a strong feeling whose alt you are :lol
it is nothing like either kido's or aburame's technique


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My mistake, I'd forgotten that not all Ninjutsu require chakra/handseals.

Most ninjutsu require chakra and hand seals, but this is not always the case.

So the possibility still stands.
 

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So the possibility still stands.

and i will post this again

As Gengetsu of the Hōzuki clan, he’s in expert in different types of Suiton Ninjutsu, which includes Mizudeppō no Jutsu (Water Pistol no Jutsu).
Gengetsu's mastery over suiton is directly credited to him being Hozuki
 

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and i will post this again


Gengetsu's mastery over suiton is directly credited to him being Hozuki

What is the relevance of this though?

Also, you never countered the fact that unlike all the other elemental jutsu that were referenced, this was not identified as being one.
Why would this be?
 

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What is the relevance of this though?
Becoz his suiton's are being credited to to him being hozuki same as kakashi's copying multiple jutsu is being credited to his sharingan
Also, you never countered the fact that unlike all the other elemental jutsu that were referenced, this was not identified as being one.
Why would this be?

you mean the first scan i posted.Becoz i was wrong there. i already accepted that in previous page
yes my bad just checked it is not the element box.It shows jutsu's type;range and rank

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Becoz his suiton's are being credited to to him being hozuki same as kakashi's copying multiple jutsu is being credited to his sharingan


you mean the first scan i posted.Becoz i was wrong there. i already accepted that in previous page


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No, not that. I'm asking why doesn't it begin with the words "Water Style:" like all the other water jutsu that were referenced?
 

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No, not that. I'm asking why doesn't it begin with the words "Water Style:" like all the other water jutsu that were referenced?
that doesn't matter
neither does chidori starts with raiton style or Tobirama's heavenly weeping with suiton style they are still raiton and suiton jutsu

天泣 tenkyuu (rain from a cloudless sky/Heavenly Weeping/Heaven’s Tears/Serein) (p. 323)

「雲なき空から降る雨の如く敵の不意を突く無音の水針!
口内から高速で噴き出される水が急所を狙い撃ちする。
水遁を得意とする扉間の術だ。」

“Like rain falling from a cloudless sky, soundless water needles that catch the enemy off-guard!
Water spurted at high velocity from the mouth to snipe at vital spots.
Talented in Water style techniques, it is Tobirama’s jutsu.”

First Appearance: Volume 69 (p. 75) Chapter 661 The Failed World (失敗した世界, Shippaishita Sekai)
 
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that doesn't matter
neither does chidori starts with raiton style or Tobirama's heavenly weeping with suiton style they are still raiton and suiton jutsu

If you posted the actual scans of the data book like you did previously would it identify it as:

Lightning Release: Chidori (雷遁・千鳥, Raiton: Chidori, English TV: Lightning Style: Chidori, Literally meaning: Lightning Release: One Thousand Birds) ?

That would be interesting, because if not then I'm not sure.
 

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If you posted the actual scans of the data book like you did previously would it identify it as:

Lightning Release: Chidori (雷遁・千鳥, Raiton: Chidori, English TV: Lightning Style: Chidori, Literally meaning: Lightning Release: One Thousand Birds) ?

That would be interesting, because if not then I'm not sure.

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no the scan i used was to identify from 4th Databook which uses the jutsu description similiar to 3rd databook

the first and second databook uses it diferently
 

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no the scan i used was to identify from 4th Databook which uses the jutsu description similiar to 3rd databook

the first and second databook uses it diferently

Unfortunately i dont have access to the scans that you do, so I'll just have to concede, I guess.
 
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