Suigetsu VS Gentle Fist

[Zetsu God]

Does gentle fist just go right through his body or does it disable the tech?

 

[Hakke]

probably disable the tech

 

[Zetsu God]

probably disable the tech

I think i'm leaning towards go right through. Because even attacks that disable his tech still go right through before disabling it. (Darui's lightning blade).

 

[Apathetic]

probably disable the tech

Doubtful — We've no clue as to if his clan's technique manifests through chakra, or because it's simply his genetic makeup, that allows him to manipulate his physical properties similar to Orochimaru's unique flexibility.

 

[BLAZE]

Doubtful — We've no clue as to if his clan's technique manifests through chakra, or because it's simply his genetic makeup, that allows him to manipulate his physical properties similar to Orochimaru's unique flexibility.

No it is not

 

[Apathetic]

No it is not

On what pretense? We've no concrete evidence to say either or — Reason to why I gave a point of view from both sides.

 

[Zetsu God]

No it is not

He didn't say it was for sure. All he said is that we don't know which one it is.

 

[BLAZE]

On what pretense? We've no concrete evidence to say either or — Reason to why I gave a point of view from both sides.

its a water style hiden jutsu

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He didn't say it was for sure. All he said is that we don't know which one it is.

ok

 

[Zetsu God]

its a water style hiden jutsu

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ok

Didn't you just prove yourself wrong?

It's a KKG, not a water jutsu. Says it right there.

The one below is a water jutsu though.

 

[BLAZE]

Didn't you just prove yourself wrong?

It's a KKG, not a water jutsu. Says it right there.

The one below is a water jutsu though.

Hiden

it says right above it.

also its water style jutsu.you can see the element box on top right marked with water

 

[Konno]

Every time somebody hits Suigeitsu, the attacks always go through, so the same will happen with Guy's technique

 

[Apathetic]

its a water style hiden jutsu

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ok

All Hiden jutsu do not require chakra, and therefore the identification of rather Suigetsu's ability to physically alter his properties is a ninjutsu, or innate ability is still inconclusive — Kidōmaru's Nenkin no Yoroi for example is a Hiden, yet it's an innate ability, requiring no chakra.

Hiden

it says right above it.

also its water style jutsu.you can see the element box on top right marked with water

Also, that isn't an element box;

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Multiple circles are highlighted for Kisame's water technique, and Nagato's summoning, yet there are no other elements incorporated to performing the technique.

 

[Zetsu God]

Hiden

it says right above it.

also its water style jutsu.you can see the element box on top right marked with water

Hiden are very similar to KKG, so that was my mistake.

The one below is identified as water style like your standard elemental jutsu. Why not the top one too?

All Hiden jutsu do not require chakra, and therefore the identification of rather Suigetsu's ability to physically alter his properties is a ninjutsu, or innate ability is still inconclusive — Kidōmaru's Nenkin no Yoroi for example is a Hiden, yet it's an innate ability, requiring no chakra.

That's an interesting point.

 

[Apathetic]

Hiden are very similar to KKG, so that was my mistake.

The one below is identified as water style like your standard elemental jutsu. Why not the top one too?



That's an interesting point.

The most probable reasoning for this, is because the Hōzuki Clan's Hiden isn't nature/chakra based — The user merely uses their body's existing water reserves. This could also be the reason behind Suigetsu, and Mangetsu carrying water bottles for constant hydration (while Gengetsu didn't due to his composition being both a water, and oil fusion), because their innate ability depletes their bodies, causing dehydration, strengthening the premise that this Hiden, is in fact innate/non-dependent of chakra.

 

[Zetsu God]

The most probable reasoning for this, is because the Hōzuki Clan's Hiden isn't nature/chakra based — The user merely uses their body's existing water reserves. This could also be the reason behind Suigetsu, and Mangetsu carrying water bottles for constant hydration (while Gengetsu didn't due to his composition being both a water, and oil fusion), because their innate ability depletes their bodies, causing dehydration, strengthening the premise that this Hiden, is in fact innate/non-dependent of chakra.

That's exactly what I'm trying to get at. The only reason the element wheel at the top right identifies it as water is because it revolves around the use of water.

Also, I'm pretty sure that you're exactly correct with the water bottle. I think Suigetsu explicitly stated that as the reason he needed so much water.

 

[BLAZE]

All Hiden jutsu do not require chakra, and therefore the identification of rather Suigetsu's ability to physically alter his properties is a ninjutsu, or innate ability is still inconclusive — Kidōmaru's Nenkin no Yoroi for example is a Hiden, yet it's an innate ability, requiring no chakra.

Its nothing like kido's jutsu which is formed via sweat and saliva.Nor it is a KKG and all its derivative jutsu uses water element
water is one of suigetsu's element along with wind so yeah it is water style.

Also, that isn't an element box;

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Multiple circles are highlighted for Kisame's water technique, and Nagato's summoning, yet there are no other elements incorporated to performing the technique.[/FONT][/SIZE]

yes my bad just checked it is not the element box.It shows jutsu's type;range and rank

 

[Apathetic]

That's exactly what I'm trying to get at. The only reason the element wheel at the top right identifies it as water is because it revolves around the use of water.

Also, I'm pretty sure that you're exactly correct with the water bottle. I think Suigetsu explicitly stated that as the reason he needed so much water.

I'm unsure if the table is in fact an element chart, highlighted by my prior discovery:

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Water techniques, yet the box markings aren't identical — The titles are also all the same (aside from Suigetsu's Clan Hiden), "Water Style." Truthfully, it makes the most sense being that his clan's Hiden is in fact not a water style/chakra based technique.

Its nothing like kido's jutsu which is formed via sweat and saliva.Nor it is a KKG and all its its derivative jutsu uses water element
water is one of suigetsu's element along with wind so yeah it is water style.


yes my bad just checked it is not the element box.It shows jutsu's type;range and rank

If it were water style, it would've been addressed as such, similar to every water technique listed in the databook, yet it isn't. It is exactly like Kidōmaru's Hiden, regarding both do not require chakra manifestation. The facts are abundantly laid out for us.

 

[Zetsu God]

If it were water style, it would've been addressed as such, similar to every water technique listed in the databook, yet it isn't. It is exactly like Kidōmaru's Hiden, regarding both do not require chakra manifestation. The facts are abundantly laid out for us.

Yeah we can't really acknowledge that the top right isn't an element wheel and still try to argue that it's water jutsu.

The one below is identified as water style like your standard elemental jutsu. Why not the top one too?

 

[BLAZE]

If it were water style, it would've been addressed as such, similar to every water technique listed in the databook, yet it isn't. It is exactly like Kidōmaru's Hiden, regarding both do not require chakra manifestation. The facts are abundantly laid out for us.

kido's jutsu is not elemental style nor it was said it belongs to whole clan unlike Hozuki's
nor derivative of its jutsu are listed as elemental style unlike hydrification.

2 of 3 known hydrification technique user are confirmed water element user

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[Apathetic]

kido's jutsu is not elemantal style nor it was said it belongs to whole clan unlike Hozuki's
nor derivatibe of its jutsu are listed as elemental style unlike hydrification.

2 of 3 known hydrification technique user are confirmed water element user

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I'd never stated his Hiden to be similar to Suigetsu's clan Hiden through nature, merely due to in-dependency. Hydrification technique also isn't listed as an element style, if that were the case the title "water style" would've came prior to the techniques name.

Their element of usage plays no role, especially when Hiden have been shown to not be element in nature (Aburame), or chakra dependent (Kidōmaru).