a question about transgender suicide rates

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so most studies show that the transgender suicide rate is 40% higher than that of the general population.


While some cite mental instability as the cause of this, other suggest that these increased rates are the cause of increased discrimination.


So the question is, Why is the suicide rate in the black community lower than in the white community, if discrimination can be used as an explanation? Are black people always claiming systemic racism?
 

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It's hard to live as a transgender person. People look at your weirdly wherever you go and your family doesn't want anything to do with you, naturally that becomes a more stressful environment than being black and having idiots say racist things to you.
 

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I think this is the fullest retard you've ever full retarded.

Is there any proof that the biological and mental causes for them being transgender is the same cause for their suicidal tendencies, or is that just another "If there's a correlation, it must be causation" from your brilliant mind?
 
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It doesn't even matter whether they transition or not. The suicide rate is still this inceredibly high. Not even jews living under Hitler killed themselves at such high rates. It's something humanity has never seen before.

It's clearly a sign of mental illness and not people being mean. Of course there are trans people living a happy life but the amount of suicides in the trans community is alarming and shouldn't be overlooked. We should take a closer look at it instead of claiming that everything is fine.
 
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I think this is the fullest retard you've ever full retarded.

Is there any proof that the biological and mental causes for them being transgender is the same cause for their suicidal tendencies, or is that just another "If there's a correlation, it must be causation" from your brilliant mind?

Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

If there is a single thing that you learn from studying medicine is that, contrary to popular imagination, there is rarely ever such a thing as “A disease/disorder” with the singular – rather most diseases represent an initial biological state of a sub-system that progressively deteriorates the entire system.

And this makes sense – there are no systems in the universe that better epitomize ‘interconnected’ than biological ones. A single disorder at first localized to a small region of the body almost without exception spreads disorder to the system. And the brain in particular is a highly interconnected piece of biology.

Which is why the vast majority of mental disorders tend to have numerous comorbidities – you will rarely find a schizophrenic who also does not suffer from a host of other mental disorders.

The onus is as much on your crowd to demonstrate that something as biologically abnormal as “transgender” is benign as it is on slimreaper’s to do for the contrary. But of course your crowd has made it so that even broaching the question as a legitimate matter of biology wouldn’t be accepted as such at best and prosecuted as “hate-speech” at worst.
 

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I love how the question transitioned from transgenders to black people.
 

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If someone kills themselves because they were called "he" instead of "she" they are clearly mentally ill.
 

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I love how the question transitioned from transgenders to black people.

Well it actually brings up a good point, if the reason for the 40% suicide rate was because of "discrimination" then black people who supposedly face "discrimination" almost every day according to the Left, should have significantly higher rates of suicide.
 

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Not really sure whether this is a shit bait or if you were a product of inbreeding
 

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If someone kills themselves because they were called "he" instead of "she" they are clearly mentally ill.

well technically transgenderism is already classified as a mental illness, so they were already mentally ill.
 

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I love how the question transitioned from transgenders to black people.

I'm not surprised to see this coming from you. Taking into account the many times you've been a sucker for blm before.
 

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Absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

If there is a single thing that you learn from studying medicine is that, contrary to popular imagination, there is rarely ever such a thing as “A disease/disorder” with the singular – rather most diseases represent an initial biological state of a sub-system that progressively deteriorates the entire system.

And this makes sense – there are no systems in the universe that better epitomize ‘interconnected’ than biological ones. A single disorder at first localized to a small region of the body almost without exception spreads disorder to the system. And the brain in particular is a highly interconnected piece of biology.

Which is why the vast majority of mental disorders tend to have numerous comorbidities – you will rarely find a schizophrenic who also does not suffer from a host of other mental disorders.

The onus is as much on your crowd to demonstrate that something as biologically abnormal as “transgender” is benign as it is on slimreaper’s to do for the contrary. But of course your crowd has made it so that even broaching the question as a legitimate matter of biology wouldn’t be accepted as such at best and prosecuted as “hate-speech” at worst.

You misunderstand me, I didn't ask Slimreaper a rhetorical question. I'm fully aware that the mental condition of gender dysphoria(spelling, cbb to fix/check rn) could very well be a mental illness, or associated with some form of mental illness(es). I fully support the notion that it should be studied more closely to determine what causes it, what the implications of it are for things like the suicide rates, and how to approach it.

For now, if a person born as male tells me they identify as a female, I have no reason to personally not respect it and just go with it, and I don't see why others should. Until exploration of the factors that cause such a high suicide rate comes back to reveal that there aren't factors independent enough from the mental conditions that cause them the gender dysphoria that cause the suicide rates, I have no reason not to just roll with it respectfully.

Well it actually brings up a good point, if the reason for the 40% suicide rate was because of "discrimination" then black people who supposedly face "discrimination" almost every day according to the Left, should have significantly higher rates of suicide.

It's truly not this simple. For one thing, it can be argued that there is a larger community against transgendered people than there is black people, so the discrimination faced by the former could play a larger role in determining their suicide rates than it does for black people.

Black people also don't live in an era where their status as members of society are constantly challenged. While racism still exists, it's no longer at a level where government-based laws and rulings directly infringe on their status as people as other people outside of their group are, which probably disappoints you. Transgendered people on the other hand continue to face that, which could again cause discrimination to play a bigger role for them than it does black people.

While there is still a psychological bank that still needs to be tapped into to get more scope on the issue, it's too early to dismiss discrimination as a major factor in this group because it's not a major factor in another group, especially when it's likely just a fraction of the total psychological, physiological, and environmental factors that could contribute to their high suicide rates.
 

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I find it weird that you are using a statistic about discrimination against transgender, yet trying to relate it to discrimination of blacks. How does this relate even? The circumstances are different, and ignoring the different circumstances will only lead to poor conclusions.
 

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Suicide rates for black people could be lower due cultural or social thing, I just don't see that type of self inflicted harm popular in black community
 

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so most studies show that the transgender suicide rate is 40% higher than that of the general population.


While some cite mental instability as the cause of this, other suggest that these increased rates are the cause of increased discrimination.


So the question is, Why is the suicide rate in the black community lower than in the white community, if discrimination can be used as an explanation? Are black people always claiming systemic racism?


Its different kinds of discrimination. When it comes to racism its very unlikely that your friends and family are going to be the ones who discriminate against you. So while some stranger may yell some slur at you, they're still a stranger and you can go on with your life. If you're transgender and your family doesn't accept you, you can't just get a new family. You're stuck with parents who will either berate you constantly, try to change who you are, or disown you. If you come out to your friends who you've know for years and they don't approve, your social life is turned upside down. Those friends may no longer want to associate with you.

Its a much more personal level of discrimination, especially when compared to something like systemic racism which is more abstract.
 

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It's truly not this simple. For one thing, it can be argued that there is a larger community against transgendered people than there is black people, so the discrimination faced by the former could play a larger role in determining their suicide rates than it does for black people.

Black people also don't live in an era where their status as members of society are constantly challenged. While racism still exists, it's no longer at a level where government-based laws and rulings directly infringe on their status as people as other people outside of their group are, which probably disappoints you. Transgendered people on the other hand continue to face that, which could again cause discrimination to play a bigger role for them than it does black people.

While there is still a psychological bank that still needs to be tapped into to get more scope on the issue, it's too early to dismiss discrimination as a major factor in this group because it's not a major factor in another group, especially when it's likely just a fraction of the total psychological, physiological, and environmental factors that could contribute to their high suicide rates.

It actually is that simple. The Left have released inaccurate studies stating that the suicide rate is at that level because of discrimination while actual government and scientific studies have found that it's simply not that high purely because of discrimination.

As to your little shot at me, you as per usual missed the point. My post clearly stated that discrimination against blacks isn't as prevalent as the Left claims it to be.

Is there discrimination against transgender? Yes. Is it solely responsible for their 40% suicide rate? No.

You don't need to type out a post based on your feelings and opinions when you just have to do some research about studies to find the facts.

Little tip for the future.
 

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It actually is that simple. The Left have released inaccurate studies stating that the suicide rate is at that level because of discrimination while actual government and scientific studies have found that it's simply not that high purely because of discrimination.

As to your little shot at me, you as per usual missed the point. My post clearly stated that discrimination against blacks isn't as prevalent as the Left claims it to be.

Is there discrimination against transgender? Yes. Is it solely responsible for their 40% suicide rate? No.

You don't need to type out a post based on your feelings and opinions when you just have to do some research about studies to find the facts.

Little tip for the future.

Right, because everyone in the left got together and agreed upon those studies.

It's funny you talk about how my post missed the point when the bolded parts of this post, that you use as a challenge to mine, were key parts of my post. Since lots of words probably confused you, the summary is:

1. Discrimination alone doesn't determine the suicide rates of black or transgender populations

2. Discrimination as a factor to suicide rates can play different roles of intensity for black populations when compared to transgender populations. It can be a bigger role for the latter than for the former. Simply because it's inaccurate to say that it determines or plays a big role in the suicide rates for black populations does not mean it's inaccurate to say it plays a big role for transgenders.

If you're gonna reply again, that should help.
 

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Right, because everyone in the left got together and agreed upon those studies.

It's funny you talk about how my post missed the point when the bolded parts of this post, that you use as a challenge to mine, were key parts of my post. Since lots of words probably confused you, the summary is:

1. Discrimination alone doesn't determine the suicide rates of black or transgender populations

2. Discrimination as a factor to suicide rates can play different roles of intensity for black populations when compared to transgender populations. It can be a bigger role for the latter than for the former. Simply because it's inaccurate to say that it determines or plays a big role in the suicide rates for black populations does not mean it's inaccurate to say it plays a big role for transgenders.

If you're gonna reply again, that should help.

Oh my lord, you just don't understand, do you?

I stated why OP made the comparison. Yet again, you took that, twisted it to take what I said and use it as your own argument to argue my point?

I have already stated several times that discrimination alone is not the reason for the high suicide rate. You agree with that, yet you still argue it because you just want to argue.

The black part was a merely used for comparison, but I see it went over your head.

Go Google the studies. Use facts instead of opinions for once. I know it's a new thing for you but it'll help.

I'm done trying to teach evolution to a Creationist
 

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Oh my lord, you just don't understand, do you?

I stated why OP made the comparison. Yet again, you took that, twisted it to take what I said and use it as your own argument to argue my point?

I have already stated several times that discrimination alone is not the reason for the high suicide rate. You agree with that, yet you still argue it because you just want to argue.

The black part was a merely used for comparison, but I see it went over your head.

Go Google the studies. Use facts instead of opinions for once. I know it's a new thing for you but it'll help.

I'm done trying to teach evolution to a Creationist

Ahhh I see where you got lost. Check it, I'll set you right:

OP's comparison was "Both groups face discrimination, yet one group's suicide rates are much higher. So how can discrimination be the reason for black suicide rates."

My reply was that was invalid because discrimination can indeed a big factor in black suicide rates, just not as big as in transgender suicide rates. OP's post tries to insinuate that discrimination isn't a valid reason at all, and your post did the same. I think said that that's not a logical conclusion because there are multiple factors at play, and discrimination can still be one for both.
 
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