[Spoilers] Goku gets a pass (Episode 80 spoilers)

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At the end of episode 80 we found out that Zeno-sama had always intended on destroying several of the weaker universes before the tournament because he believed there were too many, but because of Goku's proposal for a tournament, the weaker universes were given a fighting chance to not have their Universe erased.


Imo, that completely negates Goku from getting them in the situation in the first place.
 

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At the end of episode 80 we found out that Zeno-sama had always intended on destroying several of the weaker universes before the tournament because he believed there were too many, but because of Goku's proposal for a tournament, the weaker universes were given a fighting chance to not have their Universe erased.


Imo, that completely negates Goku from getting them in the situation in the first place.
he unintentionaly gave his universe a chance, so i can forgive him. but it was still selfish on his part.....feel bad for the other universes tho
 

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No you're wrong, even though it was Zeno planned right from the start for his intention to destroy many universe, Goku was still selfish regardless. Goku and the others didn't know behind Zeno idea, Goku is still willingly wanted to go through a tourney fight despite knowing getting his universe destroyed
 

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True, I like that plot twist.

As well as Universe 7 being the 2nd weakest.

also,

>Call it a tournament between all universes to see whose strongest
> exempt the 4 strongest universes
 

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At the end of episode 80 we found out that Zeno-sama had always intended on destroying several of the weaker universes before the tournament because he believed there were too many, but because of Goku's proposal for a tournament, the weaker universes were given a fighting chance to not have their Universe erased.


Imo, that completely negates Goku from getting them in the situation in the first place.
They never said that the scale was based on the average strength in the universe.
 

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No you're wrong, even though it was Zeno planned right from the start for his intention to destroy many universe, Goku was still selfish regardless. Goku and the others didn't know behind Zeno idea, Goku is still willingly wanted to go through a tourney fight despite knowing getting his universe destroyed
Actually he found out about the universes being erased as a consequence of losing after the tournament had been set up.
 

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At the end of episode 80 we found out that Zeno-sama had always intended on destroying several of the weaker universes before the tournament because he believed there were too many, but because of Goku's proposal for a tournament, the weaker universes were given a fighting chance to not have their Universe erased.


Imo, that completely negates Goku from getting them in the situation in the first place.
Not exactly.
As Goku didnt know this.

Goku took the risk of others getting potentially harmed, by asking for the tournament.
He didnt take Whis and Beerus their warnings seriously.
He even saw in future Trunks his timeline how Zeno could suddenly erase a universe.

Goku didnt know that he is potentially saving universes with the tournament.

It so happens that Zeno was already planning on erasing several universes that had a too low mortal lvl (including erasing his friend Goku even apparently). In the end the tournament gives universes a chance to save themselfs, but Goku never knew that so he didnt ask for the tournament because of that.
 
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Not exactly.
As Goku didnt know this.

Goku took the risk of others getting potentially harmed, by asking for the tournament.
He didnt take Whis and Beerus their warnings seriously.
He even saw in future Trunks his timeline how Zeno could suddenly erase a universe.

Goku didnt know that he is potentially saving universes with the tournament.

It so happens that Zeno was already planning on erasing several universes that had a too low mortal lvl (including erasing his friend Goku even apparently). In the end the tournament gives universes a chance to save themselfs, but Goku never knew that so he didnt ask for the tournament because of that.
I'm not sure what you're arguing? I'm not saying Goku should be praised or congratulated asking Zeno to create the universal tournament, I'm saying the fact Zeno intended on destroying several universes and Goku unintentionally saved U7 from destruction negates the fact that he got them in the tournament in the first place.

Also, if you want to take the stance of Goku not knowing he would potentially be saving the universe with the tournament, you should be open to the position of Goku not knowing he would be potentially risking the universe with the tournament. On one of my older threads you made the argument that Goku takes full fault for getting them into the tournament, stating that he should have known and listened to Beerus and Whis and because hadn't listened to their warning, he's to blame entirely.

Had Goku listened to Beerus and Whis' when they first met Zeno, Goku would have died along with Vegeta, Trunks, and all the inhabitants of U7's alternate timeline, because if Goku hadn't befriended Zeno as Beerus and Whis suggested him not to do, he would have never received the Zeno button to summon Zeno and destroy Zamas. Listening to Beerus' and Whis hadn't been useful then, it wouldn't make sense for Goku to listen to them now.
 
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I'm not sure what you're arguing? I'm not saying Goku should be praised or congratulated asking Zeno to create the universal tournament, I'm saying the fact Zeno intended on destroying several universes and Goku unintentionally saved U7 from destruction negates the fact that he got them in the tournament in the first place.

Also, if you want to take the stance of Goku not knowing he would potentially be saving the universe with the tournament, you should be open to the position of Goku not knowing he would be potentially risking the universe with the tournament. On one of my older threads you made the argument that Goku takes full fault for getting them into the tournament, stating that he should have known and listened to Beerus and Whis and because hadn't listened to their warning, he's to blame entirely.

Had Goku listened to Beerus and Whis' when they first met Zeno, Goku would have died along with Vegeta, Trunks, and all the inhabitants of U7's alternate timeline, because if Goku hadn't befriended Zeno as Beerus and Whis suggested him not to do, he would have never received the Zeno button to summon Zeno and destroy Zamas. Listening to Beerus' and Whis hadn't been useful then, it wouldn't make sense for Goku to listen to them now.
I disagree.

It does not negate it.
Goku KNEW that asking Zeno about the tournament could possibly bring risks.
He has seen what Zeno can do (future Trunks timeline) and was warned by Whis and Beerus.
Who have shared facts of more universes existing in the past (18 if I remember right), but accarding to Whis and Beerus, Zeno destroyed 6 of them at some point.
Goku didnt knew that it could possibly save people.
There was nothing that would indicate that, yet there was plenty that it could possibly bring risks.
Therefore it was a selfish choice that could potentially harm others.
The risk of harming others was there. It just didnt happen, but he did take the risk.
Therefore it doesnt negate his actions of taking risks that can harm others.
Regardless if the risk happened.
It was selfish.

Now the next point about the Zeno button.
We dont know what would have happened without the Zeno button.
The supreme kais of uni 10 and 7 travelled to the future too.

They can also travel to Zeno's place.
They might have contacted him that way, without the button.
Other options than using the button could have been followed.

Also I dont see 2 Zeno's in one timeline as healthy.
I havent seen the button doing good so far.

Zeno was the first one to suggest the tournament.
He may have followed through with the tournament without Goku reminding him,
either just because he would follow through, or because he wouldnt be distracted by
a second Zeno.
 
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They did, at least in the translation i saw
Found this post on reddit that suggests the scale isn't about power


What seems to set it for me is how the SK and GoD of U9 (lowest universe). The SK is clearly not an admirable person and their Destruction god is indecisive or not doing much of his job.
 
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