It proves you go into arguments half cocked and make claims like Zoro only cut Kuma's shirt. Also way to miss the point in an attempt to be marginalizing again, the original topic wasn't Zoro's speed but his reaction time/reflexes. Zoro doesn't have to be faster than Shambles he just has to be fast enough to react.
It proves you go into arguments half cocked and make claims like Zoro only cut Kuma's shirt. Also way to miss the point in an attempt to be marginalizing again, the original topic wasn't Zoro's speed but his reaction time/reflexes. Zoro doesn't have to be faster than Shambles he just has to be fast enough to react.
And this has anything to do with Zoro's speed and reflexes how? Zoro striking an immobile tank that allows attacks to hit him proves he's a speed demon? Zoro putting a dent in Kuma's shoulder as he made a sneak attack from behind that Kuma made no attempt to dodge=Zoro has the speed and reflexes to counter Shambles? Zoro barely reacted to Carrot flipping in the air, get the hell outta here.
And this has anything to do with Zoro's speed and reflexes how? Zoro striking an immobile tank that allows attacks to hit him proves he's a speed demon? Zoro putting a dent in Kuma's shoulder as he made a sneak attack from behind that Kuma made no attempt to dodge=Zoro has the speed and reflexes to counter Shambles? Zoro barely reacted to Carrot flipping in the air, get the hell outta here.
A. We haven't seen Carrot put her speed to the test against anyone else and she took the whole party by surprise. But sure keep trying to downplay her speed.
B. The attack wasn't from behind he came right at him and ended up behind him after the slash.
C. This is about the dent that you deny existing. Not the speed not the reflexes that was the other thread, do you see that in the OP?
D. He wasn't really "immobile" as immobile typically is used for situations where an object is unable to move, stationary would be a more accurate choice of word.
E. Keep trying to divert from the original issue, you trying to deny Zoro did any damage to Kuma at TB. First you said all he did was cut his coat then you try and say the clear dent isn't a dent, then you say it was a surprise attack from behind when he came from the front. And the worst part is you're just too stubborn to admit you messed up and would rather try and take this back to the thread it came from.
A. We haven't seen Carrot put her speed to the test against anyone else and she took the whole party by surprise. But sure keep trying to downplay her speed.
B. The attack wasn't from behind he came right at him and ended up behind him after the slash.
I'm asking you the same question as the debate that brought up this dent. Who the **** cares?
D. He wasn't really "immobile" as immobile typically is used for situations where an object is unable to move, stationary would be a more accurate choice of word.
E. Keep trying to divert from the original issue, you trying to deny Zoro did any damage to Kuma at TB. First you said all he did was cut his coat then you try and say the clear dent isn't a dent, then you say it was a surprise attack from behind when he came from the front. And the worst part is you're just too stubborn to admit you messed up and would rather try and take this back to the thread it came from.
Dent or scratch, he isn't damaged. That panel was just to show off that Kuma is a cyborg for the audience. (One of) Zoro's strongest attack(s) didn't do any damage to Kuma.
If Oda wanted to portray damage he would've depicted it in another way.
I agree with LC that attack was to show Kuma is a cyborg.
I think Kuma used Armament Haki (at the last moment) because a similar attack post TS Zoro did on Pacifista was enough to kill it.
I really don't get which people have a disagreement about something like this as that's just hairsplitting and besides the point. Whether he made a dent or not makes little to no difference. Zoro was able to catch Kuma off guard and get a single hit it in and by no means did Kuma intentionally get hit, but that's about it. That the shoulder was smoking and hissing indicates Zoro was able to rattle the shoulder mechanisms somewhat, but if there was any damage, it wasn't significant.
I really don't get which people have a disagreement about something like this as that's just hairsplitting and besides the point. Whether he made a dent or not makes little to no difference. Zoro was able to catch Kuma off guard and get a single hit it in and by no means did Kuma intentionally get hit, but that's about it. That the shoulder was smoking and hissing indicates Zoro was able to rattle the shoulder mechanisms somewhat, but if there was any damage, it wasn't significant.
How do you know it wasn't intentional? Are you saying that Zoro failed to be able to get the jump on Kuma, then after becoming weaker and even slower, managed to do so? That makes no sense whatsoever, especially when right after it, Zoro was barely able to move and Kuma has reacted to attacks much faster than his.
The metal smoking and electrical shock clearly shows there was some kind of damage. I even think it scrathed his body from within the metal according to this picture
The anime gave it a bit too much than a scratch. It's a scratch, but like what I would call it "deep-scratch" in the anime. The manga as original source that I count on it 100% rather than the anime is apparently more like a "shallow-scratch", but...... it's negligible.
Whether he was damages or not, fact of the matter is that a half dead TB Zoro was able to dodge pad cannons and land a sneak attack on Kuma. Kuma ain't nothing special.
How do you know it wasn't intentional? Are you saying that Zoro failed to be able to get the jump on Kuma, then after becoming weaker and even slower, managed to do so? That makes no sense whatsoever, especially when right after it, Zoro was barely able to move and Kuma has reacted to attacks much faster than his.
Either Kuma was hit intentional or not and reason dictates the latter makes far more sense as why would Kuma let himself be hit intentionally by an attack he could have easily dodged? And that right after he released a massive large-scale attack that could have potentially killed them all? Your reasoning is pretty much invalid as what you described is something that has occurred several times in the series, in particular Luffy and Zoro have the tendency to rise above themselves when they are beaten an inch of their lives. An exhausted Zoro that's beaten black and blue is far more dangerous than a Zoro that's on full strength. In his fight with Daz Bones he took a tremendous amount of damage while Bones at best had a few scratches. In the end Zoro transcended above himself, beat him and it was specifically mentioned he became stronger during the fight and there have been several other, similar occurrences.
It's also rather obvious that Zoro put almost everything he still had left in that attack. Considering it did minor damage, it is also most likely the main reason he proposed the trade of giving up his life for Luffy's as he had no other options left.
You know as well as I do that your reasoning has no validity as if it would, then dozens of battles that were fought should have ended differently than they did. Kuma was hit unintentional simply because the opposite makes far less sense and the context in which this all happened also supports this. If you reread the chapter, it would simply be absurd to think that Kuma let himself be hit intentionally. The only way this could even more obvious is if Kuma himself says "I was hit unintentionally".
Either Kuma was hit intentional or not and reason dictates the latter makes far more sense as why would Kuma let himself be hit intentionally by an attack he could have easily dodged?
And that right after he released a massive large-scale attack that could have potentially killed them all? Your reasoning is pretty much invalid as what you described is something that has occurred several times in the series, in particular Luffy and Zoro have the tendency to rise above themselves when they are beaten an inch of their lives.
My reasoning that a character with an extremely tough exoskeleton took an attack on purpose because of that exoskeleton is flawed because he tried to kill them all? What the hell?
And Luffy and Zoro always rise above when they're beaten within an inch of their lives, but they NEVER pull out some new capability they couldn't before. That's some Fairy Tail nonsense, Zoro and Luffy have never gone from being unable to compete with an opponent to completely outclassing them in the stage of one fight unless it's something like a Gear. It's never some illogical "I got stronger because I needed to" nonsense. The closest would be Daz Bones, and even that made sense within the confines of Zoro's capabilities at the time.
An exhausted Zoro that's beaten black and blue is far more dangerous than a Zoro that's on full strength.
In his fight with Daz Bones he took a tremendous amount of damage while Bones at best had a few scratches. In the end Zoro transcended above himself, beat him and it was specifically mentioned he became stronger during the fight and there have been several other, similar occurrences.
As I mentioned before, within the confines of Zoro's capabilities at the time, that was logical. Zoro had the strength, speed, and durability to match Daz Bones, but the only shortcoming for him was that he couldn't cut steel. Zoro didn't lack the strength to cut steel, then magically became stronger, he simply understood a mental state that comes with being a swordsman during the fight, and that allowed him to use his already existing capabilities as a swordsman to cut through Daz. Zoro didn't go from slower than his opponent to magically faster after getting beat up, which is illogical and what you're insinuating happened here.
You know as well as I do that your reasoning has no validity as if it would, then dozens of battles that were fought should have ended differently than they did.
Hard not to snicker at this. You've been repeating "has no validity," but you have yet to actually explain how a tank-type character choosing to tank an attack is invalid.
Kuma was hit unintentional simply because the opposite makes far less sense and the context in which this all happened also supports this.
Yeah, you're gonna have to actually explain how it makes less sense. In order for Kuma to have been blitzed by Zoro, then a weakened, half-dead, barely-able-to-move Zoro would have to be faster than Gear Second Luffy with less exhaustion and injury. And you think THAT makes more sense than a character who is built to be a tank, from his body to his Devil Fruit, choosing to tank an attack.
If you reread the chapter, it would simply be absurd to think that Kuma let himself be hit intentionally. The only way this could even more obvious is if Kuma himself says "I was hit unintentionally".
You have a habit of making a claim and then repeating in some kind of different wording to make it look like you've supported it. This is probably the fourth time you've said "Kuma tanking it doesn't make sense" without any actual support as to why it doesn't make sense as opposed to just re-phrasing that.
Reasons it DOES make sense:
1. Kuma's body is built to be a tank
2. Kuma has shown himself to tank attacks he could dodge, such as Sanji's kick earlier, because he knows he can tank it
3. Kuma has easily and casually reacted to a Gear Second Luffy who can move way faster than Zoro could at his best at that time, and Zoro could barely even move when he hit Kuma. It makes no sense that Zoro with his body giving out on him could suddenly magically multiply his speed.
My reasoning that a character with an extremely tough exoskeleton took an attack on purpose because of that exoskeleton is flawed because he tried to kill them all? What the hell?
And Luffy and Zoro always rise above when they're beaten within an inch of their lives, but they NEVER pull out some new capability they couldn't before. That's some Fairy Tail nonsense, Zoro and Luffy have never gone from being unable to compete with an opponent to completely outclassing them in the stage of one fight unless it's something like a Gear. It's never some illogical "I got stronger because I needed to" nonsense. The closest would be Daz Bones, and even that made sense within the confines of Zoro's capabilities at the time.
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As I mentioned before, within the confines of Zoro's capabilities at the time, that was logical. Zoro had the strength, speed, and durability to match Daz Bones, but the only shortcoming for him was that he couldn't cut steel. Zoro didn't lack the strength to cut steel, then magically became stronger, he simply understood a mental state that comes with being a swordsman during the fight, and that allowed him to use his already existing capabilities as a swordsman to cut through Daz. Zoro didn't go from slower than his opponent to magically faster after getting beat up, which is illogical and what you're insinuating happened here.
Hard not to snicker at this. You've been repeating "has no validity," but you have yet to actually explain how a tank-type character choosing to tank an attack is invalid.
Yeah, you're gonna have to actually explain how it makes less sense. In order for Kuma to have been blitzed by Zoro, then a weakened, half-dead, barely-able-to-move Zoro would have to be faster than Gear Second Luffy with less exhaustion and injury. And you think THAT makes more sense than a character who is built to be a tank, from his body to his Devil Fruit, choosing to tank an attack.
You have a habit of making a claim and then repeating in some kind of different wording to make it look like you've supported it. This is probably the fourth time you've said "Kuma tanking it doesn't make sense" without any actual support as to why it doesn't make sense as opposed to just re-phrasing that.
Reasons it DOES make sense:
1. Kuma's body is built to be a tank
2. Kuma has shown himself to tank attacks he could dodge, such as Sanji's kick earlier, because he knows he can tank it
3. Kuma has easily and casually reacted to a Gear Second Luffy who can move way faster than Zoro could at his best at that time, and Zoro could barely even move when he hit Kuma. It makes no sense that Zoro with his body giving out on him could suddenly magically multiply his speed.
