LMAOO the conditions do matter. Fighting to kill in most cases is easier than fighting to capture alive so saying that it's irrelevant is stupid, if either wanted to they could've killed Law.
Considering the fact that both Doflamingo and Fujitora have numerous techniques that work around restraining movement without killing, it's not at all a problem for them, and is probably much easier than trying to hold back attacks so you don't kill.
That just means that the one advantage Law had his gone. Mr. 3's DF was a direct counter for most of Magellan's arsenal while only two of Law's moves don't work against Sabo, Sabo kept up with Fujtiora and ended a fight with him with no minor injuries while Law GOT DICKED by Doffy (who is weaker than Fujitora).
Fujitora is stronger than Doffy because of his Devil Fruit. Fujitora has no speed or strength feats to suggest he's stronger than Doffy, but actually to the contrary. Fujitora left his fight with Sabo with no injuries while Sabo had to exert himself to make Fujitora start going seriously, and ended up with bruises all over him.
Sabo and Law have the same general level of capabilities, with Law edging out in both strength and speed feats, the two parts of Sabo's arsenal that matter most. Sabo just so happens to now have an advantage against Law in terms of his Logia powers, but place them against another person with no inherent strengths or weaknesses, and they'd perform the same by feats.
Kept up with a top tier. A top tier should be faster than Doffy or any of his attacks.
Just because you are overall more powerful than another person doesn't mean you are faster than them. Fujitora has displayed inferior speed feats to both Law and Doflamingo.
Law kept up for a couple of panels, when the fight got serious he ended up losing rather quickly and easily
And yet Sabo only managed to match this physical powerhouse while using the Mera Mera no Mi to amplify his attack, so that places him below even Law. Both of the participants know about each others DFs so they both had that advantage.
A couple panels? Law parried Doflamingo's strikes in multiple pages in multiple chapters.
Yes, he does. Any admiral level fighter gets the benefits of the doubt over a nonAdmiral level fighter physically. Or is Jozu physically stronger than Shanks?
For one, considering that Jozu is an Admiral level fighter, you make no sense. Secondly, yes. Until Shanks shows feats showing he is physically stronger than Jozu, then he isn't.
Fujitora full stops a full kick from an enraged Doflamingo like nothing
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Burgess a physical brawler specialist was capable of things like this(hyped to destroy the coloseum after some time) and Sabo, another physical brawler specialist could fully stop him
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He could also do things like this
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And then he got more powerful physical+mera powered attacks that was sending Burgess flying cities apart(destroying the environment in the process)
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Fujitora full stops a mera mera no mi powered kick from a Sabo coming at high speed at him
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This bullshit about Doflamingo being physically stronger than Fujitora needs to stop. He isn't even a physical specialist. That's why he needed his strongest defensive technique to block an elephant gun. Dude loses balance from g2 attacks, yet people compare him physically to Fujitora who is a level above him lol
Fujitora full stops a full kick from an enraged Doflamingo like nothing
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Burgess a physical brawler specialist was capable of things like this(hyped to destroy the coloseum after some time) and Sabo, another physical brawler specialist could fully stop him
Burgess blowing that hole in the colosseum stand is nothing impressive, Luffy and Zoro accomplished a similar feat back in the Enie's Lobby arc when they blew a hole through a wave in their base forms.
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In that same arc, while weakened and hungry, Luffy knocked two massive skyscrapers that easily dwarf that hole Burgess put in the seats with his bare hands and zero leverage.
Not only is this a feat that's also dwarfed by the two above feats alone, but this isn't even a physical strength feat. Sabo did this with a shockwave of Busoshoku Haki, not through the strength of his punches. Unless that ability directly relies on how physically strong Sabo is, it's not the right feat for this discussion.
Not only that, but Luffy's Gigant Pistol destroyed material far larger than the stage when he punched through these ramparts, so that's supposed to be impressive, how?
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And then he got more powerful physical+mera powered attacks that was sending Burgess flying cities apart(destroying the environment in the process)
The Mera Mera no Mi's involvement in that feat automatically disqualifies it as a physical strength feat. Not only that, but we see Doflamingo accomplishing the exact same thing when he threw Law's body through Dressrosa, so this doesn't put Sabo above him anyways.
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Fujitora full stops a mera mera no mi powered kick from a Sabo coming at high speed at him
And? Fujitora tried this against Gear 2 Luffy and was pushed out of his footing, so this just makes Sabo look bad that Fujitora was able to block without budging from his footing.
This bullshit about Doflamingo being physically stronger than Fujitora needs to stop. He isn't even a physical specialist.
And Fujitora is? Doflamingo's arsenal is heavily based on his own physical abilities. Attacks like Athlete, Overheat, Five-Colored Strings require him to back up the motion of the strings with the swing of his arms and legs to generate force. He has enough physical ability to dodge a Gear Fourth punch and then blitz Gear Fourth Luffy, who has incredible speed himself, far greater speed than Fujitora has ever shown.
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That's why he needed his strongest defensive technique to block an elephant gun.
Nope. Fujitora gets pushed back by Gear Second attacks
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Meanwhile, the considerably weaker Black Knight was able to simply swat away a Gear Second punch, and Doflamingo himself was able to block off a Gatling.
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The only time Doflamingo was moved by a Gear Second attack is AFTER Law had weakened him half to death with Gamma Knife, and even then he made no effort to actually block it or stand his ground since it didn't do any damage to him anyways.
Another thing that invalidates the "impressiveness" of those feats: Luffy punching Crocodile into the bottom surface of the street shook city blocks and caused buildings to fall down all the way back in Alabasta.
9 claims made and only one of them isn't directly invalidated by the manga=nice post? Either this section's standards are getting far too low, or fanboyism is the new excellence.
Another thing that invalidates the "impressiveness" of those feats: Luffy punching Crocodile into the bottom surface of the street shook city blocks and caused buildings to fall down all the way back in Alabasta.
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9 claims made and only one of them isn't directly invalidated by the manga=nice post? Either this section's standards are getting far too low, or fanboyism is the new excellence.
Gear 3rd is powerful. It shouldn't be surprising it pushed someone back. Don't care about this topic. Post was pretty good considering it showed Sabo could ragdoll someone like Burgess several blocks down the city, but couldn't really make Fujitora move.
I don't care who is physically stronger, could be Doffy.
Gear 3rd is powerful. It shouldn't be surprising it pushed someone back. Don't care about this topic. Post was pretty good considering it showed Sabo could ragdoll someone like Burgess several blocks down the city, but couldn't really make Fujitora move.
I don't care who is physically stronger, could be Doffy.
Considering the fact that both Doflamingo and Fujitora have numerous techniques that work around restraining movement without killing, it's not at all a problem for them, and is probably much easier than trying to hold back attacks so you don't kill.
Fuji has gravity which holds him down while Doffy has parasite which would only work if Law is caught off guard. If Fujitora and Doffy could restrain Law easily he wouldn't have been soo beaten up.
Fujitora is stronger than Doffy because of his Devil Fruit. Fujitora has no speed or strength feats to suggest he's stronger than Doffy, but actually to the contrary. Fujitora left his fight with Sabo with no injuries while Sabo had to exert himself to make Fujitora start going seriously, and ended up with bruises all over him.
Having shit phsyical stats and a good Devil Fruit doesn't make you a top tier at all or Law would be the strongest One Piece character. Fujitora has no decent feats because he hasn't showcased much phsyically but he gets the benifit of the doubt that physically he's on par with the other Admirals, who are in turn superior to Doffy. Pre Skip Luffy has better strength feats than most of the OP verse yet nobody rank him top tier in strength. Sabo had minor scuffs on him after the fight with Fujitora, nobody is arguing Sabo is Fujitora's equal.
Sabo and Law have the same general level of capabilities, with Law edging out in both strength and speed feats, the two parts of Sabo's arsenal that matter most. Sabo just so happens to now have an advantage against Law in terms of his Logia powers, but place them against another person with no inherent strengths or weaknesses, and they'd perform the same by feats.
Just because you are overall more powerful than another person doesn't mean you are faster than them. Fujitora has displayed inferior speed feats to both Law and Doflamingo.
In some cases you're right but when the skill in power is this big you're not. Fujitora himself has barely displayed anything but he has the rank of Admiral meaning that he should be comparable to the likes of Kizaru ( who held WB's bisento down with a single leg). Unless Law is comparable to the like of Kuzan and Kizaru here he's not faster than Fujitora.
A couple panels? Law parried Doflamingo's strikes in multiple pages in multiple chapters.
For one, considering that Jozu is an Admiral level fighter, you make no sense. Secondly, yes. Until Shanks shows feats showing he is physically stronger than Jozu, then he isn't.
Fuji has gravity which holds him down while Doffy has parasite which would only work if Law is caught off guard. If Fujitora and Doffy could restrain Law easily he wouldn't have been soo beaten up.
Not when Law is fighting back. You're acting like they had to meticulously wear Law down inch by inch in order to get him to a point where he couldn't find back, and had to regulate their powers meticulously not to kill him, making it difficult. All both of them had to do is hit a medium-high level attack a few times and then use one of their easy immobilization techs to hold Law down.
Having shit phsyical stats and a good Devil Fruit doesn't make you a top tier at all or Law would be the strongest One Piece character. Fujitora has no decent feats because he hasn't showcased much phsyically but he gets the benifit of the doubt that physically he's on par with the other Admirals, who are in turn superior to Doffy. Pre Skip Luffy has better strength feats than most of the OP verse yet nobody rank him top tier in strength. Sabo had minor scuffs on him after the fight with Fujitora, nobody is arguing Sabo is Fujitora's equal.
This sounds a lot like "I have no facts to back up my claim, so I'm gonna just pull the claim outta my ass."
We SEE Fujitora getting pushed back by attacks that Doflamingo could fend off. Ain't no benefit of a doubt bih, Fuji already showed he's below Doffy in strength.
LMAOOO. Sabo physically should be above everyone on Dressrosa bar Fujitora, him being on the same level as Law is a joke.
In some cases you're right but when the skill in power is this big you're not. Fujitora himself has barely displayed anything but he has the rank of Admiral meaning that he should be comparable to the likes of Kizaru ( who held WB's bisento down with a single leg). Unless Law is comparable to the like of Kuzan and Kizaru here he's not faster than Fujitora.
Nope. Until Fujitora shows feats comparable to holding down Kizaru's bisento, he can't do it. This is doubled by the fact that Fujitora lost his standing against Gear 2 and 3, Luffy's mid-card, when Luffy's top card couldn't even defeat Doflamingo on its own.
Not when Law is fighting back. You're acting like they had to meticulously wear Law down inch by inch in order to get him to a point where he couldn't find back, and had to regulate their powers meticulously not to kill him, making it difficult. All both of them had to do is hit a medium-high level attack a few times and then use one of their easy immobilization techs to hold Law down./
They would have to if they wanted to restrain him properly, Law's skill set was perfect for situations like that and in the end, he still got away. They were holding back.
This sounds a lot like "I have no facts to back up my claim, so I'm gonna just pull the claim outta my ass."
It's not my fault you don't have much reading comprehension and don't get the idea of scaling.
We SEE Fujitora getting pushed back by attacks that Doflamingo could fend off. Ain't no benefit of a doubt bih, Fuji already showed he's below Doffy in strength.
We also know Fujitora wasn't serious the entire arc bar the last part of his fight with Sabo. There is the benefit of the doubt, Fujitora is not going to be a league below the other Admirals in physical stats, it makes even less sense considering he's a swordsman who relies on high strength.
Sabo is a physical fighter who is physically keeping up with other top tiers lol. Not everything is going to be flat out stated for you.
Nope. Until Fujitora shows feats comparable to holding down Kizaru's bisento, he can't do it. This is doubled by the fact that Fujitora lost his standing against Gear 2 and 3, Luffy's mid-card, when Luffy's top card couldn't even defeat Doflamingo on its own.
Nope. You just lack basic reading comprehension and don't recognize portrayal. Fujitora is not being that much weaker than his peers who are all portrayed at the same level.
Jozu and Kuzan both got a free shot on each other, one got a busted lip another got his whole body frozen. Jozu needs to show more than trying in a short skirmish with an Admiral before I put him on their level. Portrayal puts Shanks' over Jozu in that department, unless pre-skip Luffy is also physically superior to Shanks?
