Ending the borrowed powers card

[whiteboy2345]

CM 1 & 2, Oro drugs, Orochimaru himself, Itachi's left eye, Itachi's right eye, Karin's healing powers and team taka/hebi's support, Jugo's NE powers during the war arc, Chakra from Naruto during war arc, Hashirama's DNA from Kabuto, Rikudo chakra, Naruto's TSB as a footing during the Kaguya fight are just few in the long list of powers Sasuke has borrowed....:salt::salt:

Sasuke still used his own power throughout the series and got his ass kicked, while Naruto's convenient solution for everything was Nine-Tails chakra. I have more respect for Sasuke, because he actually tries without help and even when he does get help, it's completely reasonable as in a medic.

Sasuke lost Orochimaru's power and went into the Danzo fight with his own power and did the man in. But you can guarantee Naruto would have let out like four tails after trying on his own didn't work.

Naruto won't even try by himself, but will just get all the help possible and then the shadowclones start talking about how the show is centered around cooperation.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke still used his own power throughout the series and got his ass kicked, while Naruto's convenient solution for everything was Nine-Tails chakra. I have more respect for Sasuke, because he actually tries without help and even when he does get help, it's completely reasonable as in a medic.

Sasuke lost Orochimaru's power and went into the Danzo fight with his own power and did the man in. But you can guarantee Naruto would have let out like four tails after trying on his own didn't work.

Naruto won't even try by himself, but will just get all the help possible and then the shadowclones start talking about how the show is centered around cooperation.

Sasuke borrowed powers from everyone. Naruto relied on his own powers and the ability to control a bijuu again with his own powers.

 

[Warlocks]

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coz with borrowed powers they look cool and badass

 

[Guntah]

how was team yamato not a proper fight?

It lasted for barely one chapter and was interrupted before anything big could happen. That's like me giving credit to Naruto for fighting off Karui and Omoi.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Sasuke still used his own power throughout the series and got his ass kicked, while Naruto's convenient solution for everything was Nine-Tails chakra. I have more respect for Sasuke, because he actually tries without help and even when he does get help, it's completely reasonable as in a medic.

Sasuke lost Orochimaru's power and went into the Danzo fight with his own power and did the man in. But you can guarantee Naruto would have let out like four tails after trying on his own didn't work.

Naruto won't even try by himself, but will just get all the help possible and then the shadowclones start talking about how the show is centered around cooperation.

this has to be one of THE dumbest comment in narutobase history...if not top 10..."naruto doesn't even try himself"?....LMAOOO...oh so naruto is just supposed to have kurama inside his body and not take advantage of it...oh ok...tell sasuke to never ****ing use the rinnegan EVER AGAIN...lololololololol

also @ bold THAT IS LITERALLY NARUTO'S CHARACTER YOU ****TARD...THAT'S NOT A COP-OUT

 

[whiteboy2345]

this has to be one of THE dumbest comment in narutobase history...if not top 10..."naruto doesn't even try himself"?....LMAOOO...oh so naruto is just supposed to have kurama inside his body and not take advantage of it...oh ok...tell sasuke to never ****ing use the rinnegan EVER AGAIN...lololololololol

also @ bold THAT IS LITERALLY NARUTO'S CHARACTER YOU ****TARD...THAT'S NOT A COP-OUT

Using the Nine-Tails for everything is a cop-out and naturally makes the reader question the skill of Naruto without the Nine-tails.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

You are aware that Sasuke himself has not won a single proper fight without someone else's help since his fight with Gaara back in the Chunin Exams, no? Its not a much better position for him to be in, if I do say so myself.

You must not realize how counter-productive your comment is. The more you downplay Sasuke for supposedly recieving help, the worse Naruto looks considering he always recieved more help. What battles has Naruto won on his own throughout the entirety of the series?

Sage Mode requires no modification or altering the body, the user needs to train in skills to absorb natural energy and balance it.

I vote it is not a outside source power, since it is a power anyone can gain by training or being talented like Hagoromo.

Nature energy was stated to be an external power source.

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A tie with someone having a boost against a tired someone more of an embarrassment

Didn't mention the boost Naruto recieved via Kyuubi yet highlight the boost Sasuke recieved through his own effort. Mentions Naruto being tired from previous battles, yet deosn't do the same for Sasuke who participated in those same battles.

kurama isn't borrowed power.

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Both have used borrowed power, Sasuke a lot more than Naruto though.

By borrowed you mean external power sources?

Sasuke

1) Curse Seal
2) Orochimaru's power
3) EMS
4) Half the Sage's power

Naruto

1) Yang Kyuubi
2) Nature energy
3-10) Bijuus 1-8's chakra
11) Half the Sage's power
12) Yin Kyuubi
13) Hashirama's arm

If you want to include small temporary boost then we can add Jugo's Senjutsu, Bijuus 1-9 chakra for Sasuke and every single instance where Naruto recieved a power boost from the Kyuubi from vs Haku-the war. I don't want to count that far.

We may aswell remove Orochimaru's power and Nature energy since they acquired those themselves. Although their were times when Naruto recieved NE via Kyuubi like the Final Battle. This can also be added to the list of times they recieved a boost.

We could also discuss how Sasuke has always had less teachers than Naruto throughout the series yet was always more versatile.

Sasuke's teachers.

1) His Father (should he really be counted? All he did was show him the Fire Ball technique. Which Sasuke then spent learning & mastering on his own.
2) Academy instructors (just gonna count all them as one, same as Naruto below)
3) Kakashi
4) Orochimaru

Naruto

1) Academy instructors
2) Kakashi
3) Ebisu (if you're going to count Sasuke's Father than we should count Ebisu since he showed Naruto how to walk on Water. Except he actually spent some time with him afterwards unlike Fugaku)
4) Jiraiya
5) Yamato
6) Fukusaku
7) Bee
8) The Hachibi

@ all the Sasuke faps in denial filled with immense butthurt.

Borrowed powers or not the end game is still Naruto>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sasuke.

Exp. SM Naruto completely wrecks Exp. MS Sasuke.

Deal with it.

Is that why he stated he needed the Kyuubi's chakra to fight him after hearing about what happened at the Summit and facing Sasuke himself?

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Funny cause the narrative says Naruto rose to power on his own will, and we only look at it from a borrowing standpoint.

I could not care less. When they received Rikudou power, they became figureheads for people who are strong thanks to external power ups.

Sasuke is only slightly better cause he's not a Jin. But it doesn't mean much.

Slightly better? You must have forgotten all the benefits the Kyuubi gave Naruto. Especially with cooperation & you must have forgotten what Naruto's Sage Power Up came with, something which Sasuke's didn't.

Sasuke even begged for powers from Jugo during the war arc.

Really? Was it like this?

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As i said earlier, the more you people downplay Sasuke for supposedly receiving help/actually receiving help, the worse Naruto looks since he recieved alot more.

Can u really read I never disagreed that Kurama gathered Chakra for Naruto. I said he didn't control the Chakra Naruto was the one controlling it u brought up Kurama controlling the Chakra.

And two na not really Sasuke in Naruto's body is gonna create what kind of complex Jutsu? Naruto's Rasenshuriken with that huge amount of NE is more complex than anything Sasuke has ever produced considering he's balancing NE into the attacks. A technique which at first use of the basic form was said to affect the user. So don't act as if Sasuke is some untouchable god with techniques. Naruto is also capable of replicating incredible feats

Naruto's Sage Power Up came with, "The Universal Comprehension of all things".

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Sasuke didn't recieve instant knowledge nor mastery of his abilities. He had to learn how to use, develop, & master them through battle & training. He greatly did so.

Proper fight. Team Yamato was not a proper fight. Deidara and Orochimaru required the Cursed Seal while Danzo's fight had Karin's hand on it. Ay too had Jugo's intervention. Not that it really matters since it was not a victory for Sasuke, so yeah.

Their mission was to bring Sasuke back to Konoha, even by force if needed. They failed. Sasuke defeated Orochimaru and Deidara without any help as an someone gives him their assistance like Naruto and Sasuke did with Kakashi in the first encounter against Zabuza. Danzo was also on the verge of death when Karin healed Sasuke.

I just said a proper fight by himself, which doesn't really specify much in numbers, but as for Karin, she fully healed him just before the fight and shouted advice at him throughout it, plus there's the while summoning deal to take into consideration. Ay, like I already said, doesn't matter since Sasuke didn't even win that.

Karin healed him before the battle, as Sasuke did not want to fight Danzo in an exhausted state. That's not recieving assistance during the battle. Besides, wouldn't an exhausted Sasuke vs Danzo be a non-proper battle? Also, once Karin figured out Izanagi she began to explain it to Sasuke, who quickly cut her off and said the rest himself.

While being in the midst of battle he figured it out even faster than her even though she just watched from the sidelines. Furthermore, Karin shouted out bad advice, whilst Sasuke ignored since he knew she was wrong. Having already formed a good strategy himself. Which led to his victory.

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Strange how you actually misinterpeted this even though things were clearly shown and stated in a small period of time.

CM 1 & 2, Oro drugs, Orochimaru himself, Itachi's left eye, Itachi's right eye, Karin's healing powers and team taka/hebi's support, Jugo's NE powers during the war arc, Chakra from Naruto during war arc, Hashirama's DNA from Kabuto, Rikudo chakra, Naruto's TSB as a footing during the Kaguya fight are just few in the long list of powers Sasuke has borrowed....:salt::salt:

You're so desperate. If you're going to count the Curse Seals stages seperately then do the same for all of Naruto's Bijuu related transformations.

- Given the Yang Kyuubi by Minato
- Initial Kyuubi mode
- Tails 1-8
- KCM
- BM
- BSM
- Bijuus 1-8 chakra
- RCM with all the Bijuus chakra
- Given the Yin Kyuubi from Minato during the War when he lost the Yanh Kyuubi.
- Recieved the Yang Kyuubi after the war
- and ofcourse his base had been constantly amped by the Kyuubi since birth

Karin didn't give Sasuke her healing powers. She simply used it to heal him. Sakura healed multiple times aswell. If you're going to factor in healing then you should also include all the times the Kyuubi healed Naruto, which is countless considering he's been doing it since his birth. During training, battle, anytime Naruto exerted energy, the Kyuubi's power leaking into Naruto helped heal him quicker.

He didn't recieve Hashirama's cells - Kabuto used what he learned of it to heal him IIRC. Naruto actually recieved an arm made of his cells.

If you're going to count Hebi's support then count all the people who helped Naruto. He recieved the help of a whole army division against the Edo Raikage for example.

You even counted using TSB as footing...

Can you post a page of Sasuke using drugs from Orochimaru?

It lasted for barely one chapter and was interrupted before anything big could happen. That's like me giving credit to Naruto for fighting off Karui and Omoi.

It lasted that long because Sasuke kicked their asses quickly. Naruto didn't due the same to those Cloud Ninja.

Using the Nine-Tails for everything is a cop-out and naturally makes the reader question the skill of Naruto without the Nine-tails.

Which isn't that impressive considering he's been powering Naruto up from birth due to Minato setting the seal so his chakra leaked out and mixed with Naruto's.

 

[Guntah]

You must not realize how counter-productive your comment is. The more you downplay Sasuke for supposedly recieving help, the worse Naruto looks considering he always recieved more help. What battles has Naruto won on his own throughout the entirety of the series?

Not many, really. Kiba, Mizuki...Kakuzu? I think?

Now, lets see your arguments on Sasuke's fights.

Their mission was to bring Sasuke back to Konoha, even by force if needed. They failed. Sasuke defeated Orochimaru and Deidara without any help as an someone gives him their assistance like Naruto and Sasuke did with Kakashi in the first encounter against Zabuza. Danzo was also on the verge of death when Karin healed Sasuke.

Okay, because they failed the mission means...they lost a fight? By that logic the Sasuke retrieval mission was a success. I mean, sure, Sasuke wasn't brought back, but Konoha managed to get more wins, so that's something, right? The answer is no. That makes no sense. The fight was interrupted before it could even go somewhere, so no. Orochimaru and Deidara also required the Cursed Seal to beat, and the Cursed Seal is as borrowed a power as borrowed powers get. Danzo might have been on the verge of death, that's right, but Karin healed him before he tried to sacrifice himself and take Sasuke with him. Obito himself said that it was a close call, even with a healed Sasuke, so I highly doubt a wounded Sasuke would've survived that.

It lasted that long because Sasuke kicked their asses quickly. Naruto didn't due the same to those Cloud Ninja.

No. He let himself be beat up for Sasuke's sake.

Would've liked to see how well Sasuke would've handled himself in a longer battle though.Oh, he would definitely do something stupid...like, say, kill Sakura. But I'm sure he could handle a four...excuse me, SIX tailed Naruto going for his head. No biggie.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You must not realize how counter-productive your comment is. The more you downplay Sasuke for supposedly recieving help, the worse Naruto looks considering he always recieved more help. What battles has Naruto won on his own throughout the entirety of the series?



Nature energy was stated to be an external power source.

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Didn't mention the boost Naruto recieved via Kyuubi yet highlight the boost Sasuke recieved through his own effort. Mentions Naruto being tired from previous battles, yet deosn't do the same for Sasuke who participated in those same battles.

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By borrowed you mean external power sources?

Sasuke

1) Curse Seal
2) Orochimaru's power
3) EMS
4) Half the Sage's power

Naruto

1) Yang Kyuubi
2) Nature energy
3-10) Bijuus 1-8's chakra
11) Half the Sage's power
12) Yin Kyuubi
13) Hashirama's arm

If you want to include small temporary boost then we can add Jugo's Senjutsu, Bijuus 1-9 chakra for Sasuke and every single instance where Naruto recieved a power boost from the Kyuubi from vs Haku-the war. I don't want to count that far.

We may aswell remove Orochimaru's power and Nature energy since they acquired those themselves. Although their were times when Naruto recieved NE via Kyuubi like the Final Battle. This can also be added to the list of times they recieved a boost.

We could also discuss how Sasuke has always had less teachers than Naruto throughout the series yet was always more versatile.

Sasuke's teachers.

1) His Father (should he really be counted? All he did was show him the Fire Ball technique. Which Sasuke then spent learning & mastering on his own.
2) Academy instructors (just gonna count all them as one, same as Naruto below)
3) Kakashi
4) Orochimaru

Naruto

1) Academy instructors
2) Kakashi
3) Ebisu (if you're going to count Sasuke's Father than we should count Ebisu since he showed Naruto how to walk on Water. Except he actually spent some time with him afterwards unlike Fugaku)
4) Jiraiya
5) Yamato
6) Fukusaku
7) Bee
8) The Hachibi



Is that why he stated he needed the Kyuubi's chakra to fight him after hearing about what happened at the Summit and facing Sasuke himself?

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Slightly better? You must have forgotten all the benefits the Kyuubi gave Naruto. Especially with cooperation & you must have forgotten what Naruto's Sage Power Up came with, something which Sasuke's didn't.



Really? Was it like this?

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As i said earlier, the more you people downplay Sasuke for supposedly receiving help/actually receiving help, the worse Naruto looks since he recieved alot more.



Naruto's Sage Power Up came with, "The Universal Comprehension of all things".

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Sasuke didn't recieve instant knowledge nor mastery of his abilities. He had to learn how to use, develop, & master them through battle & training. He greatly did so.



Their mission was to bring Sasuke back to Konoha, even by force if needed. They failed. Sasuke defeated Orochimaru and Deidara without any help as an someone gives him their assistance like Naruto and Sasuke did with Kakashi in the first encounter against Zabuza. Danzo was also on the verge of death when Karin healed Sasuke.



Karin healed him before the battle, as Sasuke did not want to fight Danzo in an exhausted state. That's not recieving assistance during the battle. Besides, wouldn't an exhausted Sasuke vs Danzo be a non-proper battle? Also, once Karin figured out Izanagi she began to explain it to Sasuke, who quickly cut her off and said the rest himself.

While being in the midst of battle he figured it out even faster than her even though she just watched from the sidelines. Furthermore, Karin shouted out bad advice, whilst Sasuke ignored since he knew she was wrong. Having already formed a good strategy himself. Which led to his victory.

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Strange how you actually misinterpeted this even though things were clearly shown and stated in a small period of time.



You're so desperate. If you're going to count the Curse Seals stages seperately then do the same for all of Naruto's Bijuu related transformations.

- Given the Yang Kyuubi by Minato
- Initial Kyuubi mode
- Tails 1-8
- KCM
- BM
- BSM
- Bijuus 1-8 chakra
- RCM with all the Bijuus chakra
- Given the Yin Kyuubi from Minato during the War when he lost the Yanh Kyuubi.
- Recieved the Yang Kyuubi after the war
- and ofcourse his base had been constantly amped by the Kyuubi since birth

Karin didn't give Sasuke her healing powers. She simply used it to heal him. Sakura healed multiple times aswell. If you're going to factor in healing then you should also include all the times the Kyuubi healed Naruto, which is countless considering he's been doing it since his birth. During training, battle, anytime Naruto exerted energy, the Kyuubi's power leaking into Naruto helped heal him quicker.

He didn't recieve Hashirama's cells - Kabuto used what he learned of it to heal him IIRC. Naruto actually recieved an arm made of his cells.

If you're going to count Hebi's support then count all the people who helped Naruto. He recieved the help of a whole army division against the Edo Raikage for example.

You even counted using TSB as footing...

Can you post a page of Sasuke using drugs from Orochimaru?



It lasted that long because Sasuke kicked their asses quickly. Naruto didn't due the same to those Cloud Ninja.



Which isn't that impressive considering he's been powering Naruto up from birth due to Minato setting the seal so his chakra leaked out and mixed with Naruto's.

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[XxTayxX]

Sasuke even begged for powers from Jugo during the war arc.

Right and Naruto didnt beg kurama for power the entire war :elmo:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Right and Naruto didnt beg kurama for power the entire war :elmo:

So you agree that Sasuke begged to Jugo lol.

 

[XxTayxX]

So you agree that Sasuke begged to Jugo lol.

I guess you're too retarded to realize the sarcasm in my post :elmo:

 

[XxTayxX]

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You know you lost the arguement when you start posting butthurt post instead of responding to the topic at hand :elmo:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I guess you're too retarded to realize the sarcasm in my post :elmo:

Yes..:elmo:

 

[XxTayxX]

Yes..:elmo:

:elmo: :elmo: :elmo:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

:elmo: :elmo: :elmo:

 

[Umari Senju]

Sage Mode requires no modification or altering the body, the user needs to train in skills to absorb natural energy and balance it.

I vote it is not a outside source power, since it is a power anyone can gain by training or being talented like Hagoromo.

Sage Mode requires the user to have a large chakra pool first and foremost before training can even began. Pa Frog noted he wouldn't even have offered to train Naruto if he didn't meet this requirement. The rest are s as you stated.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Guntah;21237917]Not many, really. Kiba, Mizuki...Kakuzu? I think?

Are you trolling?

Orochimaru and Deidara also required the Cursed Seal to beat, and the Cursed Seal is as borrowed a power as borrowed powers get. Danzo might have been on the verge of death, that's right, but Karin healed him before he tried to sacrifice himself and take Sasuke with him. Obito himself said that it was a close call, even with a healed Sasuke, so I highly doubt a wounded Sasuke would've survived that.

you mentioned the bold before, i thought you were trolling but the fact that you are repeating means you are actually serious, what a joke. in what world is cursed seal outside assistance? is it another living entity helping out sasuke with his/her power? no its power that he himself uses.
here's the conclusion that retarded logic leads to
-Edo madara did not beat the kages without assistance because he used mokuton jutsu :lol
-kakashi has not won any fight on his own basically because he using obitos sharingan

stop.

Would've liked to see how well Sasuke would've handled himself in a longer battle though.Oh, he would definitely do something stupid...like, say, kill Sakura. But I'm sure he could handle a four...excuse me, SIX tailed Naruto going for his head. No biggie.

in a longer battle he would not need to face 4 or 6t naruto because well, naruto would be long dead before he gets a chance to use those powers as a shunshin bliz from the starts ends it. not to mention sasuke already suppressed kuramas chakra back so naruto would not have it readily available.

 

[Guntah]

you mentioned the bold before, i thought you were trolling but the fact that you are repeating means you are actually serious, what a joke. in what world is cursed seal outside assistance? is it another living entity helping out sasuke with his/her power? no its power that he himself uses.
here's the conclusion that retarded logic leads to
-Edo madara did not beat the kages without assistance because he used mokuton jutsu :lol
-kakashi has not won any fight on his own basically because he using obitos sharingan

stop.

No, the Cursed Seal is not another entity that helps him, but if you're using that argument, then you're full of shit. Because by that logic, Kurama was not a borrowed power up until Naruto was linked with it and started receiving advice, the Hashirama face in Madara's chest though almost explicitly refered as such is not borrowed power because it did not provide advice and the Juubi itself powering up Juubito or Juubidara is not a borrowed power because, guess what, no advice. In other words, that's a stupid argument and you should feel bad about it. Well, the concept of borrowed power in general always seemed like a stupid concept in my opinion much like your arguments demonstrated, but that is not the point. Cursed Seal is borrowed power, and that is that.

in a longer battle he would not need to face 4 or 6t naruto because well, naruto would be long dead before he gets a chance to use those powers as a shunshin bliz from the starts ends it. not to mention sasuke already suppressed kuramas chakra back so naruto would not have it readily available.

Sasuke suppressed Kurama's chakra? Well, Pain pressured Naruto's chakra too with his chakra rods. That didn't do him much good, unfortunately, and neither would it do Sasuke. Then you're also betting that he would try to kill Naruto first rather than do the obvious and take out the medic first, or anyone else for that matter. But no, he would undoubtedly go for Naruto first with no clear reasoning. Lets ignore the other three team seven members in the fight.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Guntah;21245536]No, the Cursed Seal is not another entity that helps him, but if you're using that argument, then you're full of shit. Because by that logic, Kurama was not a borrowed power up until Naruto was linked with it and started receiving advice, the Hashirama face in Madara's chest though almost explicitly refered as such is not borrowed power because it did not provide advice and the Juubi itself powering up Juubito or Juubidara is not a borrowed power because, guess what, no advice. In other words, that's a stupid argument and you should feel bad about it. Well, the concept of borrowed power in general always seemed like a stupid concept in my opinion much like your arguments demonstrated, but that is not the point. Cursed Seal is borrowed power, and that is that.

you mentioned the cursed seal in the context of sasuke having assistance in the fights he used it even though its a power-up he uses. i said nothing about it not being borrowed power, my gripe comes from the absurd claim that deidara or oro were not beaten by sasuke on his own because he made use of the seal and that is something a clown would say. Boruto is making use of the seal momo gave him to fight kawaki, i guess he is not fighting on his own lmao FOH with that shit.

Sasuke suppressed Kurama's chakra? Well, Pain pressured Naruto's chakra too with his chakra rods. That didn't do him much good, unfortunately, and neither would it do Sasuke. Then you're also betting that he would try to kill Naruto first rather than do the obvious and take out the medic first, or anyone else for that matter. But no, he would undoubtedly go for Naruto first with no clear reasoning. Lets ignore the other three team seven members in the fight.

Yes am betting on him going for naruto first because... thats exactly what happened in canon? Lmao you have no point.