Why Moana is better than...

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Matriarchal is the word and yes, but only in certain facets of society. Women are revered and respected but only for the things they are good at (i.e Child rearing, cooking, farming, etc). When it came to war and decisions on the tribe as a whole, it came down to Chief's which were predominately male. Obviously she would have to take a husband to keep her line going which means her husband would rule.

I agree with you, because even the director said that one of the things that were out of the overall historical sense was the fact that Moana would be a chief. The fact alone that she became one, it would mean that she is strong enough to rule. But as you can see she is respected by the whole Motu Nui people. So much that they left the island to find another places, starting a new era.
John Musker and Ron Clements even said they didn't name the island after a real name to don't annul other cultures where the women ARE revered as capable leaders. Not all the tribes, cultures and society in Polynesia are sexist y'know. I know that because I am part of that culture too.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Still being smart is not enough because Moana doesn't have any attacks that can kill Kaguya. It was stated by hagoromo himself that the only way to stop Kaguya is to seal her...Moana doesn't have any seals like the ones Naruto and sasuke have....so no she can't beat Kaguya.....End of discussion ( I am tired now lol)

Ok then I'm little bit tired too so I'll give you this XD:

1-Moana doesn't have ways to defeat Kaguya powers such as the Rabbit Bijuu and change dimension powers
2-But she would retreat, think of a strategy and end the battle with the help of Te Fiti , Maui and Ocean.

It was a good discussion

 

[Atrocitus]

I agree with you, because even the director said that one of the things that were out of the overall historical sense was the fact that Moana would be a chief. The fact alone that she became one, it would mean that she is strong enough to rule. But as you can see she is respected by the whole Motu Nui people. So much that they left the island to find another places, starting a new era.
John Musker and Ron Clements even said they didn't name the island after a real name to don't annul other cultures where the women ARE revered as capable leaders. Not all the tribes, cultures and society in Polynesia are sexist y'know. I know that because I am part of that culture too.

It's not sexism (I hate when people try to throw the sexist card) lol, it's just biological fact, Males are predisposed to be hunters, warriors, and yes leaders. Women are predisposed to raise children and anything that helps that goal of making sure children survive to a suitable age to continue their line. It's just biology and yes it's a bit simplified but there's no point making it complicated. Sure it doesn't matter in this day and age because we can just walk down to a supermarket to get what we need to survive. But back then you need to spread the jobs out to those who could do them well or you wouldn't survive.

A tribe of just women (yes I know there is a tribe of only women, but I'm talking about a long time back when other tribes would attack each other) would not survive back then but neither would a tribe of men simply because we complete each other and need each other to create children to continue on.

Also Moana only became Chief because her dad didn't have a son at the time, it wasn't on her own merits (when she was being groomed for the position).

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

It's not sexism (I hate when people try to throw the sexist card) lol, it's just biological fact, Males are predisposed to be hunters, warriors, and yes leaders. Women are predisposed to raise children and anything that helps that goal of making sure children survive to a suitable age to continue their line. It's just biology and yes it's a bit simplified but there's no point making it complicated. Sure it doesn't matter in this day and age because we can just walk down to a supermarket to get what we need to survive. But back then you need to spread the jobs out to those who could do them well or you wouldn't survive.

A tribe of just women (yes I know there is a tribe of only women, but I'm talking about a long time back when other tribes would attack each other) would not survive back then but neither would a tribe of men simply because we complete each other and need each other to create children to continue on.

Also Moana only became Chief because her dad didn't have a son at the time, it wasn't on her own merits (when she was being groomed for the position).

Explain:

-Boudicca
-The amazons
-Queen Elisabeth I
-Wu Zetian
They all lived in harsh and must survive eras lol It's just reality.:salt:

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

It's not sexism (I hate when people try to throw the sexist card) lol, it's just biological fact, Males are predisposed to be hunters, warriors, and yes leaders. Women are predisposed to raise children and anything that helps that goal of making sure children survive to a suitable age to continue their line. It's just biology and yes it's a bit simplified but there's no point making it complicated. Sure it doesn't matter in this day and age because we can just walk down to a supermarket to get what we need to survive. But back then you need to spread the jobs out to those who could do them well or you wouldn't survive.

A tribe of just women (yes I know there is a tribe of only women, but I'm talking about a long time back when other tribes would attack each other) would not survive back then but neither would a tribe of men simply because we complete each other and need each other to create children to continue on.

Also Moana only became Chief because her dad didn't have a son at the time, it wasn't on her own merits (when she was being groomed for the position).

uh, that is sexist though, youre literally govering someones role in society based soley on their ***. females have always hunted, even in the animal kingdom

 

[JStar King]

Repanzul is still stronger than her or better...........Zzz

Better? Yes. But stronger? No.

Repunzel, Moana, and Tiana are the best tho. They make female characters in Naruto look like failures.

 

[123fire]

Maybe better than Female Naruto characters but not Female anime characters look at Maka from Soul Eater for example

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Better? Yes. But stronger? No.

Repunzel, Moana, and Tiana are the best tho. They make female characters in Naruto look like failures.

Rapunzel did become a good leader for her people as stated in the end of the movie. But I guess Moana has the upper hand as she was younger when she became chief, didn't get decieved for 18 years AND lead her people to a whole new era.

 

[Atrocitus]

Explain:

-Boudicca
-The amazons
-Queen Elisabeth I
-Wu Zetian
They all lived in harsh and must survive eras lol It's just reality.:salt:

Female Leaders don't matter since they lived in a society with both sexes, so that doesn't really mean anything (Not to mention royalty gets handed everything by those underneath so it has no a basis in a tribe society).

Amazon's are a greek myth so there's not point bringing them up and even then they still were required to go breed with men to obviously keep them going.

uh, that is sexist though, youre literally govering someones role in society based soley on their ***. females have always hunted, even in the animal kingdom

I meant sexist in the way it's used now (the kneejerk reaction), not the literal term.

So? Men are obviously physically better on average for hunting which is why you have them do the hunting. Animal kingdom is a moot point when we are talking about humans, while we are obviously animals we still have a different way at thinking and the fact that we used division of labour is how we grew so large in the first place.

 

[Lightbringer]

Definitely better than Naruto female characters and most anime stereotypes. It might be a bit of a stretch to say that she's better than all anime females. I'm sure there are some that are equally as good that we simply don't know about.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Female Leaders don't matter since they lived in a society with both sexes, so that doesn't really mean anything (Not to mention royalty gets handed everything by those underneath so it has no a basis in a tribe society).

Amazon's are a greek myth so there's not point bringing them up and even then they still were required to go breed with men to obviously keep them going.



I meant sexist in the way it's used now (the kneejerk reaction), not the literal term.

So? Men are obviously physically better on average for hunting which is why you have them do the hunting. Animal kingdom is a moot point when we are talking about humans, while we are obviously animals we still have a different way at thinking and the fact that we used division of labour is how we grew so large in the first place.

If you want to see this on the nature side, ok: you would've been eaten by lions and a lot more predators if you didn't use your intelligence. We are HUMANS and intelligence it's what defines our survival till today. Listen, I hate self -pity just as much as you do , although , I doubt the greatest men in the world were defined just by their physical strength. And btw: Boudicca was a woman who gained power for her leadership qualities in battle, Amazons did exist in Brazil (the Muiraquitã tribe).

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If it wasn't for that we wouldn't be alive. And that's how Moana became a good role model for everybody, including men. She never gave up on her destiny and her true self.

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[Atrocitus]

If you want to see this on the nature side, ok: you would've been eaten by lions and a lot more of predators if you didn't use your intelligence. We are HUMANS and intelligence it's what defines our survival till today. Listen, I hate just as much as you do self- pity, although , I doubt the greatest men in the world were defined just by their physical strength. And btw: Boudicca was a woman who gained power for her leadership qualities in battle, Amazons did exist in Brazil (the Muiraquitã tribe).

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If it wasn't for that we wouldn't be alive. And that's how Moana became a good role model for everybody, including men. She never gave up on her destiny and her true self.

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Yeah Boudicca earned it.

Then say that's tribes name (which btw doesn't really have much on it and sounds like a myth aswell), if you say Amazon's when refering a tribe of only women they are obviously going to think of the Greek Amazons of myth.

Destiny? that's superficial when talking about the real world, true self has nothing to do with any of this lol. At the end of the day, this film handled the cultural aspect poorly and failed to show a true deeper meaning to the masses when only people who know the culture(s) understand it.

Women and Men are biologically different and they have different roles back in those times, it's just a fact of life, but instead of calling it sexist, it's better to accept what makes us better together.

 

[Deadlift]

Hinata > any female character in any fiction

 

[Lightbringer]

I do want to point however that I still believe Mulan is the best Disney female character. I don't think she gets enough credit.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Yeah Boudicca earned it.

Then say that's tribes name (which btw doesn't really have much on it and sounds like a myth aswell), if you say Amazon's when refering a tribe of only women they are obviously going to think of the Greek Amazons of myth.

Destiny? that's superficial when talking about the real world, true self has nothing to do with any of this lol. At the end of the day, this film handled the cultural aspect poorly and failed to show a true deeper meaning to the masses when only people who know the culture(s) understand it.

Women and Men are biologically different and they have different roles back in those times, it's just a fact of life, but instead of calling it sexist, it's better to accept what makes us better together.

Yeah, most society of Polynesia was primitive 2000 years ago. But I guess they wanted to show off the side(even if there were few tribes that did it) that valorized woman.
Maui also pointed in the movie that Moana should take care of babies. But even so, the goal of Moana movie was stated to be find yourself and not rely in exterior matters. I think this song sums it up.

[video=youtube;O9CSoVFnzF0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9CSoVFnzF0[/video]

"And the call isn't out there at all, it's inside me". It's a pretty good motive to believe that it's your will and perseverance that defines your situation and future.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

I do want to point however that I still believe Mulan is the best Disney female character. I don't think she gets enough credit.

I would say she is in the same league as Moana. Save China and cross the entire ocean on your own without proper guidence and saving your whole island, it's quite a feat for both.

 

[Lightbringer]

I would say she is in the same league as Moana. Save China and cross the entire ocean on your own without proper guidence and saving your whole island, it's quite a feat for both.

True, but the argument I would present is that Mulan was ahead of her time. I mean, when you think about it, they are remarkably similar, but Mulan was released two decades earlier.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

True, but the argument I would present is that Mulan was ahead of her time. I mean, when you think about it, they are remarkably similar, but Mulan was released a decade earlier.

Then I would say the creators were ahead of their time. But everything I want is:a ''WW2 princess soldier", It would be the coolest thing ever.

 

[Lightbringer]

Then I would say the creators were ahead of their time. But everything I want is:a ''WW2 princess soldier", It would be the coolest thing ever.

It sounds too violent for Disney. But if we can have any pick, I'd like to see a Disney Joan of Arc or Queen Elizabeth.

 

[JStar King]

Hinata > any female character in any fiction

Nice fanfic.

Hinata and Sakura are failures since their characters pathetically evolved around Naruto and Sasuke.

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