[VS] Law vs Sabo

[LBeezy]

You know exactly where you fell short and you know I'm not so stupid that I didn't notice. Either you give a reply you know isn't stupid, or save face and drop it.

Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep = manga facts (I can provide the exact scan for you if you're really going to act like this didn't happen lol)

Law did not.


How is this stupid?

Where did I "fall short"?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep = manga facts (I can provide the exact scan for you if you're really going to act like this didn't happen lol)

Law did not.


How is this stupid?

Where did I "fall short"?

You know damn well that Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep after Law dealt a major blow to Doflamingo. Facts.

You know that if Gamma Knife never happened, Doflamingo would have killed Luffy. Facts.

Luffy did not put Doflamingo to sleep, Luffy and Law put Doflamingo to sleep.

 

[LBeezy]

You know damn well that Luffy put Doflamingo to sleep after Law dealt a major blow to Doflamingo. Facts.

You know that if Gamma Knife never happened, Doflamingo would have killed Luffy. Facts.

Luffy did not put Doflamingo to sleep, Luffy and Law put Doflamingo to sleep.

Both Doflamingo and Luffy were beaten down and worn out by the time they had their final clash.. this doesn't take away from the feat and what factually happened.

Luffy beat Doflamingo. This happened. No denying it.

We've never seen KKG hit Doflamingo at any other state though.. so as far as the manga is concerned, KKG puts Doflamingo to sleep 100% of the time.

There's no telling how things could've played out if Gamma Knife never happened.. however based on the manga, KKG would still k.o. Doflamingo whether he was hit by GK or not..

So, no, only Luffy actually knocked Doflamingo out.

 

[A v i]

We should talking about how Law is Luffy's equal when Law could actually touch Doflamingo when the later uses awakening; Forget about awakening, He couldn't even land a hit on base Doflamingo without destracting the later.


OT: I think Sabo is superior to Luffy, who in turn is superior to Law. So I'd prefer Sabo over Law.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Both Doflamingo and Luffy were beaten down and worn out by the time they had their final clash.. this doesn't take away from the feat and what factually happened.

Luffy's injuries came from Doflamingo's abilities themselves. Luffy was not nearly as injured as Doflamingo was by an outside force. Take away outside forces injures from Luffy and from Doflamingo, and it favors Doflamingo far more than Luffy.

Even if you want to say they were equally beat up(which they weren't), Doflamingo was still standing while Luffy was asleep on Gatz's back.

Luffy beat Doflamingo. This happened. No denying it.

Which brings us to this. Luffy beat Doflamingo with the help of dozens of people. This happened. There's no denying that without the help of those people, Luffy would have lost. Even if you leave in Gamma Knife, Luffy would have lost. That is a fact.

Therefore, Doflamingo>Luffy just like he's>Law.

We've never seen KKG hit Doflamingo at any other state though.. so as far as the manga is concerned, KKG puts Doflamingo to sleep 100% of the time.

By this logic, Yeti Cool Brothers put Zoro and Sanji to sleep 100% of the time.

By this logic, if Whitebeard, Sakazuki, and Blackbeard all hit Crocodile with their strongest attacks until he's within an inch of his life, Jozu's Brilliant Punk won't knock him out because 100% of the time in the manga, it failed to knock him out. That's how stupid this sounds.

There's no telling how things could've played out if Gamma Knife never happened.. however based on the manga, KKG would still k.o. Doflamingo whether he was hit by GK or not..

Yes, there is telling. Considering that WITH Gamma Knife, Luffy was like this

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While Doflamingo was like this:

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So, no, only Luffy actually knocked Doflamingo out.

Only if you're sucking him off.

Come back to me when Luffy is capable of producing a result on his own that Law is incapable of as well.

 

[LBeezy]

Luffy's injuries came from Doflamingo's abilities themselves. Luffy was not nearly as injured as Doflamingo was by an outside force. Take away outside forces injures from Luffy and from Doflamingo, and it favors Doflamingo far more than Luffy.

Even if you want to say they were equally beat up(which they weren't), Doflamingo was still standing while Luffy was asleep on Gatz's back.


Which brings us to this. Luffy beat Doflamingo with the help of dozens of people. This happened. There's no denying that without the help of those people, Luffy would have lost. Even if you leave in Gamma Knife, Luffy would have lost. That is a fact.

Therefore, Doflamingo>Luffy just like he's>Law.



By this logic, Yeti Cool Brothers put Zoro and Sanji to sleep 100% of the time.

By this logic, if Whitebeard, Sakazuki, and Blackbeard all hit Crocodile with their strongest attacks until he's within an inch of his life, Jozu's Brilliant Punk won't knock him out because 100% of the time in the manga, it failed to knock him out. That's how stupid this sounds.



Yes, there is telling. Considering that WITH Gamma Knife, Luffy was like this

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While Doflamingo was like this:

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Only if you're sucking him off.

Come back to me when Luffy is capable of producing a result on his own that Law is incapable of as well.

Doflamingo had the help of dozens of people as well.

This is what Oda was trying to portray.. that by the end of groups of fighters going at it, Luffy was able to k.o. Doflamingo.

We've gone through this many times, you and I, but no matter what, Doflamingo AND Luffy had help from others and never fought each other one on one at 100%... it's not my fault that Luffy ended up victorious at the end of it all bro.

Luffy > Doflamingo > Law

Manga doesn't lie.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Doflamingo had the help of dozens of people as well.

LOLOL Who? What dozens of people impacted the way Luffy performed?

This is what Oda was trying to portray.. that by the end of groups of fighters going at it, Luffy was able to k.o. Doflamingo.

You gotta be a special type of special to think that by making it so that Luffy only defeated Doflamingo with dozens of people's help, he was trying to portray that Luffy>Doflamingo

We've gone through this many times, you and I, but no matter what, Doflamingo AND Luffy had help from others and never fought each other one on one at 100%... it's not my fault that Luffy ended up victorious at the end of it all bro.

When did Luffy receive as much damage as Doflamingo did that wasn't from Doflamingo or his abilities?

Luffy > Doflamingo > Law

Manga doesn't lie.

Pick one.

 

[-Akuma-]

Capabilities-wise, they're the same. Luffy accomplishes what he does through raw power, Law does it through hax, technical powers. 100% Doflamingo vs Law or Luffy on his own would be the same level of diff for him.

They aren't on the same level capability wise. 100% Doffy vs Luffy would end up in a win for Luffy but for the sake of the argument let's say he pushes Doffy to high-dif, even then that's further than Law is ever going.

 

[chopstickchakra]

LOLOL Who? What dozens of people impacted the way Luffy performed?



You gotta be a special type of special to think that by making it so that Luffy only defeated Doflamingo with dozens of people's help, he was trying to portray that Luffy>Doflamingo



When did Luffy receive as much damage as Doflamingo did that wasn't from Doflamingo or his abilities?


Pick one.

They aren't on the same level capability wise. 100% Doffy vs Luffy would end up in a win for Luffy but for the sake of the argument let's say he pushes Doffy to high-dif, even then that's further than Law is ever going.

Doflamingo had the help of dozens of people as well.

This is what Oda was trying to portray.. that by the end of groups of fighters going at it, Luffy was able to k.o. Doflamingo.

We've gone through this many times, you and I, but no matter what, Doflamingo AND Luffy had help from others and never fought each other one on one at 100%... it's not my fault that Luffy ended up victorious at the end of it all bro.

Luffy > Doflamingo > Law

Manga doesn't lie.

Take this how you will but you're all off just a little bit. Riker is right about Doffy beating either Law or Luffy 1v1 with what we saw at DR. However, Luffy could handle Doffy better than Law could with G4 though he would still lose too. There's no showing where Law fought Doffy that had him performing as well as G4 and he needed a distraction to land Gamma Knife but even that Doffy bounced back from quicker than G4 because it was 1 blow whereas G4 is a continuous onslaught.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Tfw Law is actually stronger than Luffy because he'd have an easier time fighting Cracker oop

 

[Tomato God]

Law's Haki has to be infused into something. His cuts don't have any sort of form, both material or immaterial. His room slashes aren't a thing that travels, they have no form for him to infuse his Haki into.

But he did it to smoker on punk hazard

 

[Tomato God]

How can Law infuse Haki into something that doesn't have any material form? Can you infuse Haki into your thoughts? Can you infuse Haki into your imagination, and your dreams, and your memories? Because those things have just as much form as Law's slashes do.

Room isn't very useful against Logias because when Law cuts them, they can just stick themselves back together through transforming into their element and regrowing their bodies or re-attaching the sliced parts. Law bypassed Vergo's Haki by just being more powerful than him.

Flying slashes are NOT the same thing as Law's slashes. Law's slashes, in lack of better terms, don't exist. It's just the effect of being in his room when he swings his sword. Nothing is traveling to you when Law makes a cut, it just happens.

Didn't the admirals make a Haki wall out of nothing and isn't haki an armor that's invisible around you as explained by Rayleigh???

 

[Punk Hazard]

But he did it to smoker on punk hazard

No he did not.

Didn't the admirals make a Haki wall out of nothing and isn't haki an armor that's invisible around you as explained by Rayleigh???

Projecting your Haki into a shield=/=infusing Haki into Amputate. Even if Law were to send Haki flying through his sword, it would still travel towards the target. Amputate doesn't travel, it occurs instantly upon the sword swing, so that would hit before the Haki would.

 

[chopstickchakra]

No he did not.


Projecting your Haki into a shield=/=infusing Haki into Amputate. Even if Law were to send Haki flying through his sword, it would still travel towards the target. Amputate doesn't travel, it occurs instantly upon the sword swing, so that would hit before the Haki would.

Conjecture, you don't know and can't prove how the slash would work since it hasn't been done yet but everything in the manga suggests it would allow his amputate effects to take hold on a Logia opponent which it wasn't able to do on it's own as evidenced with Smoker.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Conjecture, you don't know and can't prove how the slash would work since it hasn't been done yet but everything in the manga suggests it would allow his amputate effects to take hold on a Logia opponent which it wasn't able to do on it's own as evidenced with Smoker.

Look up appeal to ignorance fallacy. Cause you're pro'ing at it right now.

We know how Haki works, and we have enough knowledge about Ope Ope no Mi to surmise how it works. Haki has always been shown to only be infused in things that have some kind of existing form. Law's Amputate has no existing form. Therefore, it can't be applied to Law's Amputate.

How about YOU show ME evidence that it can be infused into Amputate?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Look up appeal to ignorance fallacy. Cause you're pro'ing at it right now.

We know how Haki works, and we have enough knowledge about Ope Ope no Mi to surmise how it works. Haki has always been shown to only be infused in things that have some kind of existing form. Law's Amputate has no existing form. Therefore, it can't be applied to Law's Amputate.

How about YOU show ME evidence that it can be infused into Amputate?

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It hasn't been touched on in the manga yet so there's no possibility for evidence and you know this but asking for evidence you know can't exist somehow equates to making points in your arguments.

Law's Amputate cuts are directly related to his sword, if his sword is coated in haki then the slash effect resulting from the sword would be haki coated as well. That's how haki works. You're acting like Law's the only DF user incapable of applying haki to his DF, if Aokiji shoots pheasant beak at smoker it will go through unless coated in haki, Law's amputate works the same if his sword is regular no effect, coats his sword in haki by all showings in the manga it would allow amputate to affect a Logia.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It hasn't been touched on in the manga yet so there's no possibility for evidence and you know this but asking for evidence you know can't exist somehow equates to making points in your arguments.

Law's Amputate cuts are directly related to his sword, if his sword is coated in haki then the slash effect resulting from the sword would be haki coated as well. That's how haki works. You're acting like Law's the only DF user incapable of applying haki to his DF, if Aokiji shoots pheasant beak at smoker it will go through unless coated in haki, Law's amputate works the same if his sword is regular no effect, coats his sword in haki by all showings in the manga it would allow amputate to affect a Logia.

All I hear is "I have no evidence to support my claim, which contradicts the nature of both subjects my claim is about."

It's funny how in the Lucci vs Crocodile thread, you slobber up the word "Conjecture" to dismiss my posts about Lucci not being able to be defeated, and then in this thread you back up your argument with something that has zero support or indication of being possible in the manga.

Chopstick, you're smarter than this. You can't compare Pheasant Beak to Amputate. One exists in a physical form, the other exists in no form whatsoever. C'mon son.

Also, lemme ask you this. Let's say your stupid-ass "theory" on Haki working with Amputate is true. What's stopping the Logia from just transforming the body, and reattaching/reforming?

 

[-Akuma-]

So yeah, Sabo slaps Law silly and calls it a day.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So yeah, Sabo slaps Law silly and calls it a day.

No feats? No arguments? No problem!

 

[LBeezy]

No feats? No arguments? No problem!

This coming from a guy who likes to deny actual feats when they don't fit in to his arguments?

No problem!