[VS] Lucci vs Crocodile

[Apple Knight]

Pretimeskip
Location thriller bark
With intent to kill
they have no knowledge on each other
Restrictions: none

 

[Passerby]

So pre skip Lucci has no Intel on how to beat Crocodile?
Lol Crocodile can solo Lucci+Kaku+Jabra...

 

[chopstickchakra]

Luffy without intel beat Lucci, Luffy without intel was beaten by Croc, Luffy with intel still lost his 1st time.

Pre skip Lucci has no haki so unless rokushiki(sp?) can hit Logia then he has no real shot.

 

[YellowFang]

Even Luffy's victory was BS... Croc murders!

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Crocodile for the easy win. I'm sure he'd take on the top 3 all at once.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't see Crocodile having the power to take down Lucci, save for maybe Barchan drying him up. However, Lucci has the speed and reflexes advantage and would in all likelihood never get by Crocodile until he gets close for something like Shigan or a punch. Only scenario where Crocodile wins is a well-timed Barchan.

 

[ToshiZO]

Is this his revamped MF version?

MF Crocodile tanked brilliant punk from Jozu. The CP9 combined don't even have 5% of that attack power. So Lucci loses.

 

[Apple Knight]

Is this his revamped MF version?

MF Crocodile tanked brilliant punk from Jozu. The CP9 combined don't even have 5% of that attack power. So Lucci loses.

It's the first arc he was in.That version

 

[ToshiZO]

It's the first arc he was in.That version

Ok Crocodile wins, Lucci doesn't have haki and no intel.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Ok Crocodile wins, Lucci doesn't have haki and no intel.

How does Crocodile even put a scratch on Lucci bar Barchan? Someone like Lucci would know Croc is a Logia so he wouldn't get close anyways, and Lucci is far too fast for Croc to tag, MF or Alabasta.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Is this his revamped MF version?

MF Crocodile tanked brilliant punk from Jozu. The CP9 combined don't even have 5% of that attack power. So Lucci loses.

MF Luffy tanked an attack from Buddha Sengoku, so I guess he could solo all of CP9 at once.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I don't see Crocodile having the power to take down Lucci, save for maybe Barchan drying him up. However, Lucci has the speed and reflexes advantage and would in all likelihood never get by Crocodile until he gets close for something like Shigan or a punch. Only scenario where Crocodile wins is a well-timed Barchan.

How exactly does Lucci touch Croc?

 

[Punk Hazard]

How exactly does Lucci touch Croc?

You wanna show me where I said he would?

 

[chopstickchakra]

You wanna show me where I said he would?

Wanna show me where I said you said... I'm asking you a question since you're so hung up on Croc hurting Lucci. We have a way Croc could win, we have no way Lucci could win. So then you're contribution was meaningless? You're trying to turn a clear cut issue into an argument when one side has nothing to support it. Lucci has no viable way to win.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wanna show me where I said you said... I'm asking you a question since you're so hung up on Croc hurting Lucci. We have a way Croc could win, we have no way Lucci could win. So then you're contribution was meaningless? You're trying to turn a clear cut issue into an argument when one side has nothing to support it. Lucci has no viable way to win.

So you replied to someone who never said Lucci could touch Crocodile with the challenge of "How does Lucci touch Crocodile?"

That makes sense to you? To challenge a point I never made in a reply to me specifically?

Lemme ask you a question: Does Lucci being unable to touch Croc change anything about what I said? Does the answer to your question make any of the things I said incorrect? Nah. It doesn't, all it is is that you asked a dumb question.

"Your contribution was useless." How exactly? There are people saying Crocodile wins, and I responded with why Crocodile won't win. You then replied with a question that changes absolutely nothing about what I said. Your post is the meaningless one, since my post directly challenges what has been said while your post is a Strawman.

 

[chopstickchakra]

So you replied to someone who never said Lucci could touch Crocodile with the challenge of "How does Lucci touch Crocodile?"

That makes sense to you? To challenge a point I never made in a reply to me specifically?

Lemme ask you a question: Does Lucci being unable to touch Croc change anything about what I said? Does the answer to your question make any of the things I said incorrect? Nah. It doesn't, all it is is that you asked a dumb question.

"Your contribution was useless." How exactly? There are people saying Crocodile wins, and I responded with why Crocodile won't win. You then replied with a question that changes absolutely nothing about what I said. Your post is the meaningless one, since my post directly challenges what has been said while your post is a Strawman.

Seeing as you focused on one character touching the other and omitted the other side completely, yes it deserved to be asked of you.

You opposed the thought of Croc winning but proposed no manner in how his opponent could win, if you're disagreeing and not presenting a counter, that's a meaningless contribution.

Your post doesn't challenge anything it just denies it, as is typical, to challenge it you would need to present support to the opposite and you even acknowledged Croc CAN win so you didn't challenge anything.

You acknowledge a way Croc can win, present no way his opponent can win and then claim Croc can't win. Very meaningful contribution indeed.

 

[ToshiZO]

MF Luffy tanked an attack from Buddha Sengoku, so I guess he could solo all of CP9 at once.

Nope that was Ivankov's hormone boost that helped him tank that, not his own endurance. Luffy was down well before that.

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Rambo Crocodile did it out of his own strength.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Nope that was Ivankov's hormone boost that helped him tank that, not his own endurance. Luffy was down well before that.

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Rambo Crocodile did it out of his own strength.

All Ivankov's hormones do is trick Luffy's body into thinking that it has taken no previous damage or fatigue. It doesn't increase his endurance or durability.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Seeing as you focused on one character touching the other and omitted the other side completely, yes it deserved to be asked of you.

Nope. Just because I never posted saying Lucci can't touch Croc doesn't mean I think he can touch Croc. Don't assume my viewpoints.

You opposed the thought of Croc winning but proposed no manner in how his opponent could win, if you're disagreeing and not presenting a counter, that's a meaningless contribution.

So? Did my omission of how Lucci would win make any of the things I said about Croc not being able to injure Lucci false? No.

Your post doesn't challenge anything

Posts: Crocodile defeats Lucci

Me: Crocodile is too slow to actually hit Lucci, so he can't actually win.

You: You challenged nothing.

Good job.

it just denies it, as is typical, to challenge it you would need to present support to the opposite and you even acknowledged Croc CAN win so you didn't challenge anything.

I said Croc can win IF he lands a Barchan, but that in all likelihood he wouldn't hit that(my challenge) due to the fact that Lucci is too fast for Crocodile(my support).

So what exactly are you missing here?

You acknowledge a way Croc can win, present no way his opponent can win and then claim Croc can't win. Very meaningful contribution indeed.

Uhmmmm Rob Lucci doesn't need to win for Crocodile to have no way to win. A draw is a concept that exists. Also known as a tie, deadlock, and no contest, you can google it if you're still confused.

I claimed Croc can't win based on the facts that:

1. Croc only has one thing that can feasible hurt Lucci

2. Croc is too slow to ever land this hit on Lucci

Again, a draw is a thing. Neither of them wins without Lucci bypassing Croc's Logia intangibility.

 

[ToshiZO]

All Ivankov's hormones do is trick Luffy's body into thinking that it has taken no previous damage or fatigue. It doesn't increase his endurance or durability.

Damn how many times do I have to prove this wrong, I swear I've had the same debate with you on this. It makes him forget about fatigue for an entire day

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Not that it makes him forget about previous fatigue only. So yea, there it is, an adrenaline boosted Luffy tanked Sengoku's hit.