Naruto and Sasuke VS Neji and Lee

[Hakke]

Rinnegan genjutsu for lee and Naruto destroys neji with his bijuu dama.

doesn't Genjutsu needs eye contact ?

 

[Hakke]

Tailed Beast Ball/Bijuu Dama

how is that going send him to space ? , BD would just destroy it and it would regenerate again . Kurama was destroying it , but it just keep regenerating until it was able to pin Kurama down

the only way of defeating this summon is by defeating the Tenseigan's user (Neji)

And your point is when obito is talking about Rinnegan

my point is Neji with Tenseigan is above Toneri's level because

1. Tenseigan is just like the rennigan , it would be a fodder if your not the official owner (evedince ? , Toneri's Tenseigan faded )
2. base Neji is much pwerful and much skillful than base Toneri , I mean base Toneri is a complete fodder
3. Neji can use gentle fist and can enhance it with TCM

do you even know how tenseigan was achieved.He would be needing byakugan form someone from ototsuki clan.
Toneri got defeated by KCSM Naruto.Neji would get violated by RSM Naruto not that hard concept

actually no . Neji only needs Otsutsuki chakra , Toneri said it himself in the movie , and don't @ me with "why didn't Hinata get Otsutsuki chakra ?" , because that was a lame plot hole.

it has has at least same amount of resistance shown by Sasuke's PS

which is nothing if Kaguya hit it directly

Good Good keep spewing BS
She was losing massive amount of chakra by shifting dimensions

evedince... ? , I mean she had a large supply of chakra from the all the Bijuus

She choose not to kill them on multiple occasion so she could take their chakra later on

she failed to detect Naruto when he was hiding behind her despit the fact that she has 360 degree of vision

3 Rikudo powered char ganged up on her failed until a fourth char with superstrength needed to jump and punch her towards the two who can seal them

Kaguya had 360 degree of vision and she couldn't dodge Sakura's punch , and she could've just protrudes all killing ash bones from the back of her neck to stab Sakura (just like Kimimaro),

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but she didn't , why...?

who knows ?

she is progenitor of chakra.Yes she would be most powerfull than anyone

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anyway , I will make a thread to explain if skills matter or not

right now , Sasuke and Naruto wins med to high def (BTW , I added restrictions , so I dunno , I think Neji and Lee had a small chance of winning )

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[KidGamer65]

I was speaking of war arc Naruto and Sasuke

which mean that this is excluded

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also Lee with the 8th gate can par up with Guy who nearly defeated JJ Madara if not for the regeneration , he could also surpass Gai

also if the 7th gate Hirudora completely destroyed V3 Susanoo , can't the 8th gate Hirudora damage PS ?

I am sure night Lee would not be that easy to take

and I am sure that Neji with a Tenseigan would be far above Toneri's level , I mean base Toneri is a complete fodder

also enhanced gentle fist techniques with TCM would give Naruto and Sasuke some trouble

also I edited my post , does it seem less retarded to you now ?

Yes, I know that Bijuu PS isn't involved. Doesn't make this any less of a stomp.

-Lee is not on par with Gai nor is Gai on par with Madara, Naruto or Sasuke. Gai only did that much damage because he had help. Lee's attacks are either easily tanked or easily overpowered by Naruto or Sasuke with zero effort.

-There is zero correlation that points to Hirudora in Eighth Gate doing a thing to PS. :lol

-You saying Toneri w/o Tenseigan is a fodder is based on nothing. Not to mention Tenseigan is an evolution of Byakugan so you should be comparing Byakugan Toneri to Byakugan Neji. Nothing points towards Neji being stronger. Nothing at all. :lol "far above Toneri's level" don't just say stuff without actually supporting it. Gentle Fist techniques enhanced with TCM are going to be weaker than Toneri's attacks, which are actually bonafide Tenseigan techniques from a stronger person. Naruto in KCSM already handled Toneri's attacks, so it doesn't take much to realize that RSM Naruto and someone on par with him would make short work of Neji and those techniques.

Sasuke or Naruto solo.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao this guy is talking about Gentle Fist enhanced by TCM like it's some special technique when Toneri has the Byakugan's abilities (thus Gentle Fist) on top of that and still got shitted on by a Naruto 2 tiers below the one in this thread.

 

[BLAZE]

how is that going send him to space ? , BD would just destroy it and it would regenerate again . Kurama was destroying it , but it just keep regenerating until it was able to pin Kurama down
the only way of defeating this summon is by defeating the Tenseigan's user (Neji)

Bijuu dama canonically pushed it into space

my point is Neji with Tenseigan is above Toneri's level because
1. Tenseigan is just like the rennigan , it would be a fodder if your not the official owner (evedince ? , Toneri's Tenseigan faded )

actually no . Neji only needs Otsutsuki chakra , Toneri said it himself in the movie , and don't @ me with "why didn't Hinata get Otsutsuki chakra ?" , because that was a lame plot hole.

the cherry picking though :lol
its nothing like Rinnegan.
Madara's Rinnegan was transplanted into nagato and obito while Toneri's lost its power once taken from him and put back to Hanabi's sockets

2. base Neji is much pwerful and much skillful than base Toneri , I mean base Toneri is a complete fodder

toneri is otsutsuki aka from the oldest clan
toneri using his puppets easily defeated hiashi hyuga who is stronger than neji so your point is moot

3. Neji can use gentle fist and can enhance it with TCM

useless against preta path.is not putting down either Sasuke's PS or naruto's avatar

which is nothing if Kaguya hit it directly

Yes kaguya.Neither neji nor Toneri is on her lvl nor they have massive supply of chakra like her

Evedince... ? , I mean she had a large supply of chakra from the all the Bijuus

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Amenominaka:

A jutsu used by Kaguya with her "Rinnesharingan". Changes the world around the user and the people around her into another dimension. The dimensions it can move to are ones of lava, ice, gravity, sand, and acid, and these five dimensions are directly linked to (whatever dimension Black Zetsu mentions back when Naruto is there with them. I can't remember or figure out how to translate it). Using it consumes a huge amount of chakra, making it an eye jutsu only she can use.

Kanji: Heaven, Govern/Control, Inside

she failed to detect Naruto when he was hiding behind her despit the fact that she has 360 degree of vision

??????

Kaguya had 360 degree of vision and she couldn't dodge Sakura's punch , and she could've just protrudes all killing ash bones from the back of her neck to stab Sakura (just like Kimimaro),

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but she didn't , why...?
who knows ?

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maybe you should start reading the manga.She and kakashi were not worth her attention.She never viewed them as threat

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Lmao this guy is talking about Gentle Fist enhanced by TCM like it's some special technique when Toneri has the Byakugan's abilities (thus Gentle Fist) on top of that and still got shitted on by a Naruto 2 tiers below the one in this thread.

where was this stated i thought they said toneri was born blind

 

[Hakke]

-Lee is not on par with Gai nor is Gai on par with Madara, Naruto or Sasuke. Gai only did that much damage because he had help. Lee's attacks are either easily tanked or easily overpowered by Naruto or Sasuke with zero effort.

how can we be sure , since we haven't seen him , when I said that he could even surpass Gai that was just an assumption .

also how can they tank night Lee

-There is zero correlation that points to Hirudora in Eighth Gate doing a thing to PS. :lol

well if a Hirudora in 7th gates was able to completely destroy a V3 Susanoo , can't Hirudora from 8th gates destroy damage PS ?

or EE or anything ?

-You saying Toneri w/o Tenseigan is a fodder is based on nothing.

based on the fact that he is a puupeter , and puppeter usaully are weak in close range fights, also I agree he is not a fodder since his Otsutsuki chakra alone give him a great abilities even in base

Not to mention Tenseigan is an evolution of Byakugan so you should be comparing Byakugan Toneri to Byakugan Neji. Nothing points towards Neji being stronger.Nothing at all. :lol "far above Toneri's level" don't just say stuff without actually supporting it

Neji can use gentle fist , and he have shown a lot of stamina and speed feats , he has also better Taijutsu skills , and it was stated in the Databook that he was the top on his clan , and in close range combat ? , yes he is above Toneri , but Toneri is still stronger because of a certain ability and I will get to it later

Gentle Fist techniques enhanced with TCM are going to be weaker than Toneri's attacks, which are actually bonafide Tenseigan techniques from a stronger person.

gentle fist attacks doesn't need to be lethal , it just injects chakra to the body to attack the chakra network , and because the chakra pthway system is closely intertwined with many of the body's major organs, debilitating and even fatal damage can be done just as easily.

also the air fist palm is a fast and forceful strike with the aspect of the gentle fist can strike vital points instead of chakra points ,

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as you can see it have blown Kisame of his feet before he realized that he was even hit , another example of it is speed is this

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as you can see here the spike didn't move an inch from the moment that Hinata prepared and launched the attack , which proves that the air fist palm is ultra fast just like the databook states

and don't foget that it strikes vital point with the aspects of gentle fist , meaning that the attack can bypass the skin to hit the vitals directly , and a vital point is a part of the body that when attacked in the right way (force, angle, accuracy), can cause paralysis, unconsciousness or even death ,and since it attacks vital points that would lead to real life scenarios , take in example if a vital point that is located at the base of brain can cause instant death

it doesn't just strike vital points , it also strikes the vitals around these spots , here is a better explanation by neosmith

Yes it can cause instant death or cause excruciating pain in the chest and damage the heart if vitals around that area are targeted but thats specifically targeting a real-life scenario..

-Based on logic and description a head/neck-shot aimed at vitals like the Carotid Artery would be able to incapacitate or kill , same if the Sternum is struck which would also damage the heart..

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but I agree with BLAZE , in this case , it is really hard to happen in the heat of the battle , since he is facing someone with the sharingan's ocualar prowess and ameno (Sasuke) , and someone who was able to dodge an attack from the point blank (Naruto) , but who knows ? maybe if Lee and Neji plan a good strategy they might be able to pull it out , except that Sasuke has a greater intellegence feats than Neji

but still my point is , it would give them some trouble.

Naruto in KCSM already handled Toneri's attacks,

not quite . there was only one attack , and that is Puppet-Cursing Sphere , and Toneri have soloed Naruto two times with it
1-when he absorbed Naruto's Rasengan and went through to his chakra and absorbed it then detonate itself(Naruto the Last , 50:35 to 51:10)
2-when he absorped Naruto's chakra at 1:37:35 to 1:38:00

it basicly a sphere from Otsutsuki chakra that absorbs chakra or anything made of chakra (i.e Sai ink bird) and detonat itself , it is OP

so it doesn't take much to realize that RSM Naruto and someone on par with him would make short work of Neji and those techniques.

Sasuke or Naruto solo.

agreed , but are you sure that taking him and 8 gates Lee would be that easy ?

Lmao this guy is talking about Gentle Fist enhanced by TCM like it's some special technique when Toneri has the Byakugan's abilities (thus Gentle Fist) on top of that and still got shitted on by a Naruto 2 tiers below the one in this thread.

Lmao , hell no , not everyone who has a Byakugan can use gentle fist take in example this guy

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and not every gentle fist user is a Byakugan user , take in example Boruto

the gentle fist is only limited to the Hyuga clan , and the Byakugan use in gentle fist is to see the chakra network and the chakra points so the user can block it

 

[KidGamer65]

how can we be sure , since we haven't seen him , when I said that he could even surpass Gai that was just an assumption .

also how can they tank night Lee

Because Gai is stronger than Lee. :lol

well if a Hirudora in 7th gates was able to completely destroy a V3 Susanoo , can't Hirudora from 8th gates destroy damage PS ?

or EE or anything ?

No and no.

based on the fact that he is a puupeter , and puppeter usaully are weak in close range fights, also I agree he is not a fodder since his Otsutsuki chakra alone give him a great abilities even in base

He's not a puppeteer. He has the ability to control puppets. That's clearly not his main fighting style. Being a puppeteer isn't evidence that you are weak in close range fights.

Neji can use gentle fist , and he have shown a lot of stamina and speed feats , he has also better Taijutsu skills , and it was stated in the Databook that he was the top on his clan , and in close range combat ? , yes he is above Toneri , but Toneri is still stronger because of a certain ability and I will get to it later

None of that is based on anything.

-Close range combat? Nothing shows that Neji is superior, so how are you claiming that Neji is superior.
-Stamina and speed? Again, baseless.

gentle fist attacks doesn't need to be lethal , it just injects chakra to the body to attack the chakra network , and because the chakra pthway system is closely intertwined with many of the body's major organs, debilitating and even fatal damage can be done just as easily.

Ok?

also the air fist palm is a fast and forceful strike with the aspect of the gentle fist can strike vital points instead of chakra points ,

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as you can see it have blown Kisame of his feet before he realized that he was even hit , another example of it is speed is this

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as you can see here the spike didn't move an inch from the moment that Hinata prepared and launched the attack , which proves that the air fist palm is ultra fast just like the databook states

and don't foget that it strikes vital point with the aspects of gentle fist , meaning that the attack can bypass the skin to hit the vitals directly , and a vital point is a part of the body that when attacked in the right way (force, angle, accuracy), can cause paralysis, unconsciousness or even death ,and since it attacks vital points that would lead to real life scenarios , take in example if a vital point that is located at the base of brain can cause instant death

it doesn't just strike vital points , it also strikes the vitals around these spots , here is a better explanation by neosmith

Air Palm hit Kisame and nothing happened. No type of internal damage takes place. Vital points are vital spots on the body. Being able to strike those doesn't automatically mean you can strike those with enough power to do any real damage, and as seen by Neji, he lacks the power to do anything to Kisame's clone with air palm.

Any and all notions of it being able to bypass the skin are based on nothing.

but I agree with BLAZE , in this case , it is really hard to happen in the heat of the battle , since he is facing someone with the sharingan's ocualar prowess and ameno (Sasuke) , and someone who was able to dodge an attack from the point blank (Naruto) , but who knows ? maybe if Lee and Neji plan a good strategy they might be able to pull it out , except that Sasuke has a greater intellegence feats than Neji

No, they don't win nor do they even come close.

not quite . there was only one attack , and that is Puppet-Cursing Sphere , and Toneri have soloed Naruto two times with it
1-when he absorbed Naruto's Rasengan and went through to his chakra and absorbed it then detonate itself(Naruto the Last , 50:35 to 51:10)
2-when he absorped Naruto's chakra at 1:37:35 to 1:38:00

it basicly a sphere from Otsutsuki chakra that absorbs chakra or anything made of chakra (i.e Sai ink bird) and detonat itself , it is OP

Naruto already defeated him in combat the second time he started to get his chakra absorbed, and that wasn't because of his sphere attack the second time around.

agreed , but are you sure that taking him and 8 gates Lee would be that easy ?

Yes, because they are weaker versions of Toneri and Gai who already don't stand a chance against Naruto or Sasuke.

Lmao , hell no , not everyone who has a Byakugan can use gentle fist take in example this guy

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and not every gentle fist user is a Byakugan user , take in example Boruto

the gentle fist is only limited to the Hyuga clan , and the Byakugan use in gentle fist is to see the chakra network and the chakra points so the user can block it

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if he can use gentle fist or not, because Tenseigan techniques are far stronger than any Hyuuga clan techniques.

 

[Hakke]

He's not a puppeteer. He has the ability to control puppets. That's clearly not his main fighting style. Being a puppeteer isn't evidence that you are weak in close range fights.

if he is a Taijutu specialist , then why the hell even bother with puppets ? duh

I mean he was always using puppets

None of that is based on anything.

-Close range combat? Nothing shows that Neji is superior, so how are you claiming that Neji is superior.
-Stamina and speed? Again, baseless.

-Neji can use gentle fist , base Toneri can't stand a chance if he were to get close to him , but Toneri can win with Puppet-Cursing Sphere

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he was able to run meters while being injured , and he was able to land multiply hits to Kidimaru before he even fall t

Air Palm hit Kisame and nothing happened. No type of internal damage takes place. Vital points are vital spots on the body. Being able to strike those doesn't automatically mean you can strike those with enough power to do any real damage, and as seen by Neji, he lacks the power to do anything to Kisame's clone with air palm.

ignorance , like did you even read my post ? , not every vital point is fatal , but some of them are deadly , if Neji struck Kisame in a vital point that would only cause pain that Kisame can shrug it off . but if Neji struck on the vital points that cause instant death like the base of the brain i.e , Kisame would be dead

Any and all notions of it being able to bypass the skin are based on nothing.

just what the **** do you think they meant by "with the aspects of the gentle fist" ?

the gentle fist is able to inject chakra to the body to damage the internal organs directly , so the chakra itself is able to bypass the skin to damage the internal organs , the air fist palm is compressed by the gentle fist so it shares the same aspects

No, they don't win nor do they even come close.

okay

Naruto already defeated him in combat the second time he started to get his chakra absorbed, and that wasn't because of his sphere attack the second time around.

Toneri was able to solo him with this

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Yes, because they are weaker versions of Toneri and Gai who already don't stand a chance against Naruto or Sasuke.

not really , Neji is more skilled in Taijutsu than Toneri , and Lee seems to have more stamina

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At the end of the day it doesn't really matter if he can use gentle fist or not, because Tenseigan techniques are far stronger than any Hyuuga clan techniques.

sigh , the same arguments again and again

 

[BLAZE]

you believe kid lee has more stamina than gai lmao

Even base gai had 5 in stamina in part 1 lmao

 

[neosmith500]

Any and all notions of it being able to bypass the skin are based on nothing.

Doesn't description say that the compressed vacuum goes through the vital spot?

OT: Stomp thread.

 

[Hakke]

you believe kid lee has more stamina than gai lmao

Even base gai had 5 in stamina in part 1 lmao

I just said it may be .

I mean adult Lee would definitely par up to Gai , but you have a fair point

 

[Hakke]

Doesn't description say that the compressed vacuum thrusts through the vital spot?

OT: Stomp thread.

Sasuke and Naruto taking this for sure , I am just arguing if it is low or med/high def , I have nothing else to do , so I just love debating lol

 

[BLAZE]

I just said it may be .

I mean adult Lee would definitely par up to Gai , but you have a fair point

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thats all biased assumption

 

[Hakke]

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thats all biased assumption

I meant that war arc Lee with 8 gates is inferior to Gai , but I was saying that adult Lee would par up to Gai , and I know it is just an assumption

 

[BLAZE]

I meant that war arc Lee with 8 gates is inferior to Gai , but I was saying that adult Lee would par up to Gai , and I know it is just an assumption

yes they are without anything to back it up.i can make buttload of them to

 

[Hakke]

Bijuu dama canonically pushed it into space

stop cherry picking :lol

he destroyed it after it was already deactivated , because the Tenseigan user (Toneri) was already defeated

like I told you the only way to defeat this summon is by defeating the Tenseigan user

the cherry picking though :lol
its nothing like Rinnegan.
Madara's Rinnegan was transplanted into nagato and obito while Toneri's lost its power once taken from him and put back to Hanabi's sockets

actually Toneri lost it's power before Hinata pulled it out , also the Byakugan needs a chakra in order evolve , while the sharingan needs a DNA

so I am the one who is cherry picking , huh ?

toneri is otsutsuki aka from the oldest clan
toneri using his puppets easily defeated hiashi hyuga who is stronger than neji so your point is moot

you said it yourself , Toneri is a puppeter which means that base him sucks in close range fights

useless against preta path.is not putting down either Sasuke's PS or naruto's avatar

I agree it is useless against the preta path ,

but PS and Naruto's avater have their hands full

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maybe you should start reading the manga.She and kakashi were not worth her attention.She never viewed them as threat

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okay so your telling me that she completely ignored someone who jumped and prebared to punch her , while she could've just blitzed her with all killing ash bones

good logic , BTW that's just proves my point about

 

[BLAZE]

stop cherry picking :lol
he destroyed it after it was already deactivated , because the Tenseigan user (Toneri) was already defeated
like I told you the only way to defeat this summon is by defeating the Tenseigan user

Neji would get oneshotted by either naruto or sasuke who are much superior to KCSM Naruto

actually Toneri lost it's power before Hinata pulled it out , also the Byakugan needs a chakra in order evolve , while the sharingan needs a DNA

so I am the one who is cherry picking , huh ?

And your point is.Rinnegan does not lose its power after the user gets punched.Tenseigan is not like Rinnegan
Hinata's Byakugan nvr evolved.You can put your bullshit back in closet

you said it yourself , Toneri is a puppeter which means that base him sucks in close range fights

??????? he defeated hiashi that makes him superior to neji.
Neji's gentle fist would be non factor when toneri's more powerfull jutsu failed

I agree it is useless against the preta path ,
but PS and Naruto's avater have their hands full

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No they would be violating Neji and Lee

okay so your telling me that she completely ignored someone who jumped and prebared to punch her , while she could've just blitzed her with all killing ash bones
good logic , BTW that's just proves my point about

Yes like she ignored kakashi kamui raikiri.
Nope give anyone her power and they turn into a f@#king balloon like madara.

you are just pushing your fanfiction

 

[neosmith500]

Yes like she ignored kakashi kamui raikiri.
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Wait are u saying that Kaguya saw Sakura coming for the punch via Byakugan but ignored her lol? and wat do u mean she ignored Kakashi's Raikiri??

 

[BLAZE]

Wait are u saying that Kaguya saw Sakura coming for the punch via Byakugan but ignored her lol? and wat do u mean she ignored Kakashi's Raikiri??

she nvr saw them as threat.Only threat to her where naruto and sasuke becoz of the seals.
she did not moved when kakashi used raikiri and straight upwards when sakura punched her.She could easily regenerate so they are non factors for her

see what sakura says while punching her

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[neosmith500]

she nvr saw them as threat.Only threat to her where naruto and sasuke becoz of the seals.
she did not moved when kakashi used raikiri and straight upwards when sakura punched her.She could easily regenerate so they are non factors for her

Not seeing them as threats doesn't mean she'll see incoming random attacks and take them lol. Kakashi surprised her with the phasing which is why she didn't move not to mention she was already heading in his direction and i'll address the sakura bit below.

see what sakura says while punching her

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All inclinations of that scan suggest that Kaguya didn't see her , from Sakura shouting "Dont forget about me!!' , to Kaguya showing exclamation due to hearing that..

-She didn't ignore anything in those two instances , she was simply caught in precarious situations which were largely aided by the nerfing of her abilities in more ways than one..