[Discussion] Theses are the 7 People that Defeated Kaido

[Punk Hazard]

Absolutely. The idea of rivalry has nothing to with the recognition of both parties to it as such. Neither does it have to be strength or quality. It all boils down to a difference Ideals, History, Interpersonality all while aiming for the same goal present.



Nice response. Guess what when this happened Kaido grew strong enough that he become reputed a monster that shouldn't be bet against. Fiction with battle elements have composite, interval (arc) and overall versions of characters.

Toe to Toe Moriah cannot be argued with current Kaido and aforementioned Moriah is not TB Moriah.

We cannot tweak the ideal/idea rival because Moriah decided to become a spineless.

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What I said about Moriah being stronger in the past had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation of Moriah and Kaido being rivals, so congrats on wasting your time.

 

[Skull Knight]

You're just bringing up your own points, I never said him going toe to toe with Kaido made him stronger than Kaido and I never said he was stronger than Kaido. I think you read my words wrong, I'm saying Moriah was stronger when he fought Kaido than he was in TB.

The only reason Moria who fought Kaido is stronger than the one who fought wit Luffy because he had a proper crew(it was said he had strong crew) back then.
Nothing suggest Moria(strength wise)became weak after his clash. The point which Riker put that he became rusty because he started relying on others doesn't mean he was super strong once and Kaido raped him wit his powers.
After the clash he kept producing Zombies and definately had killed a lots of rookies pre TS because of his df.

 

[chopstickchakra]

The only reason Moria who fought Kaido is stronger than the one who fought wit Luffy because he had a proper crew(it was said he had strong crew) back then.
Nothing suggest Moria(strength wise)became weak after his clash. The point which Riker put that he became rusty because he started relying on others doesn't mean he was super strong once and Kaido raped him wit his powers.
After the clash he kept producing Zombies and definately had killed a lots of rookies pre TS because of his df.

Moriah pre Kaido fight went to the NW, Moriah after fled and hid in GL. His confidence if nothing else fell after Kaido.

 

[Skull Knight]

Moriah pre Kaido fight went to the NW, Moriah after fled and hid in GL. His confidence if nothing else fell after Kaido.

So a lack of confidence means he started becoming weak.
Guess what Moria was summoned to fight another Yonko and he participated in that war.
And pirates hiding in an island doesn't make them weak. Do u think Arlong was weak pre ts because he was hiding in Nami's island ???

 

[chopstickchakra]

So a lack of confidence means he started becoming weak.
Guess what Moria was summoned to fight another Yonko and he participated in that war.
And pirates hiding in an island doesn't make them weak. Do u think Arlong was weak pre ts because he was hiding in Nami's island ???

Arlong wasn't hiding from anyone he took over an island, Moriah actively refused to enter the NW again, he backtracked and then stayed somewhere safe for him.

 

[Skull Knight]

Arlong wasn't hiding from anyone he took over an island, Moriah actively refused to enter the NW again, he backtracked and then stayed somewhere safe for him.

Arlong was hiding. He even bribed marines so that they dont take action against him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So a lack of confidence means he started becoming weak.
Guess what Moria was summoned to fight another Yonko and he participated in that war.
And pirates hiding in an island doesn't make them weak. Do u think Arlong was weak pre ts because he was hiding in Nami's island ???

****ing yes? He was defeated by a pre-Gear, pre-Haki, pre-Alabasta Luffy. Arlong is weak as shit. That's why he had to hide out in a weak island.

 

[Skull Knight]

****ing yes? He was defeated by a pre-Gear, pre-Haki, pre-Alabasta Luffy. Arlong is weak as shit. That's why he had to hide out in a weak island.

So do u agree Arlong never lost his strength and the one who got soloed by Kizaru had same strength as the one who faced Luffy?

 

[Punk Hazard]

So do u agree Arlong never lost his strength and the one who got soloed by Kizaru had same strength as the one who faced Luffy?

How the hell would I know?

 

[Skull Knight]

How the hell would I know?

The situation is basically same wit Arlong and Moria.
Both lost to guys who were Admiral/Yonko lvl.
Both were weak(in terms of post TS power level). Nothing suggest they lost there strength after their clash with an admiral/yonko then why are people so adamant on a fact that Moria which fought Kaido was way stronger then the one who faced Luffy?

 

[Punk Hazard]

The situation is basically same wit Arlong and Moria.
Both lost to guys who were Admiral/Yonko lvl.
Both were weak(in terms of post TS power level). Nothing suggest they lost there strength after their clash with an admiral/yonko then why are people so adamant on a fact that Moria which fought Kaido was way stronger then the one who faced Luffy?

I'm pretty sure Jinbei said Moriah had gotten weaker because of it.

 

[Skull Knight]

I'm pretty sure Jinbei said Moriah had gotten weaker because of it.

When did Jinbei said that?

 

[Punk Hazard]

When did Jinbei said that?

My bad, I just checked and it turns out it was filler.

 

[Skull Knight]

My bad, I just checked and it turns out it was filler.

Filler
So my point remains that both Arlong and Moria had same experiences and strength wise they didn't loose much after their encounter wit admirals/yonkos.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Arlong was hiding. He even bribed marines so that they dont take action against him.

That's not hiding that's bribing, if they knew where he was to be bribed than he wasn't hiding well. Moriah refused to go to a place where Kaido might find him, that's hiding from someone. Moriah wasn't paying off Kaido to not kill him, they aren't the same thing, that's not apples to apples.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He got weaker because he stopped training and kept focusing on using others for his powers.

Just because you stop training doesn't mean you got weaker it means you didn't get any stronger.

 

[Hellioncurse]

The situation is basically same wit Arlong and Moria.
Both lost to guys who were Admiral/Yonko lvl.
Both were weak(in terms of post TS power level). Nothing suggest they lost there strength after their clash with an admiral/yonko then why are people so adamant on a fact that Moria which fought Kaido was way stronger then the one who faced Luffy?

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Time in the East Blue is close to impossible to map out. Grand Line is a bit easier though. Loguetown, Reverse Mountain, and Whiskey Peak are the same day. They leave Whiskey Peak the 2nd day. Then several days pass when they reach Little Garden so I'm guessing it's been a week now. They are attacked by Wapol on the 8th day and reach Drum on the 9th. Four days pass and they meet Mr. 2. Five days til they get to Alabasta. The war breaks out two days later. Luffy sleeps for 3 days. They leave the next day, then get to Jaya the same day. They get to Skypiea the next morning and defeat Enel the day after that. So it's been like a month at this point. Then they reach Longring Longland and stay for four days. Three days later they reach Water 7. The next day is the Aqua Laguna. That night they raid Enies Lobby up until the next day. Luffy rests for two days when Garp shows up. Sunny is built in three days and they leave. Several days later, they reach Thriller Bark. They defeat Moriah at sunrise the next day. They sleep for one whole day when Brook joins. They leave two days later. So all this is between three and four weeks. Several more days pass when they arrive at Sabaody. Luffy is sent flying by Kuma and reaches Amazon Lily the next day. He wakes up from the mushroom after a day and befriends Hancock. Five days later they reach Impel Down. The next day is the war. Two weeks pass when Luffy wakes up at Marineford. So about a month has passed since they left Thriller Bark when Luffy decides to train for 2 years. Post-timeskip, it's only been three days. They reach Fishman Island and stay for a day. They leave and go to Punk Hazard. The third day is now on Dressrosa.


^That is a rough calculation:

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So he did get weak after all? ; )

 

[chopstickchakra]

Just because you stop training doesn't mean you got weaker it means you didn't get any stronger.

not necessarily true, if I exercise and lift weights I can build up to 70 lbs say but if I stop exercising for an extended time my muscles will decrease and I won't still be able to lift that 70 lbs.

 

[TRE MERCER]

not necessarily true, if I exercise and lift weights I can build up to 70 lbs say but if I stop exercising for an extended time my muscles will decrease and I won't still be able to lift that 70 lbs.

Learning how to fight and use Haji is completely different.

 

[-Akuma-]

How can old WB beat Kaido his strongest bloodlusted punch in his that form failed to put Akainu down. Kaido who is more durable tanks that same punch with less effort and proceed to put the smack down on the old man.

>Says it was his strongest punch.

>Wasn't fresh and was already battle damaged.

Okay Tre, the rest of your post was pure fan fic. Do you know what's not fan fic? Whitebeard being called the strongest man alive when KAIDO was alive.