Uchiha Clan vs Uzumaki Clan

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Hagoromo died before the fight even occurred so what are you even talking about?

got a source for that?...and even if he did hagoromo also stated that he'd been watching his sons fight after he died all the way up to naruto and sasuke

 

[whiteboy2345]

got a source for that?...and even if he did hagoromo also stated that he'd been watching his sons fight after he died all the way up to naruto and sasuke

The manga stated that shortly before he died after extracting the ten-tails from himself, he named a successor. He did in fact die before the fight started.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

The manga stated that shortly before he died after extracting the ten-tails from himself, he named a successor. He did in fact die before the fight started.

doesn't mean in any way shape or form that any of what hagoromo says is inaccurate

 

[super michael]

by power I'm assuming hagoromo meant ninshu (**** the filler)

If it is true that Hagoromo meant Ninshu, why say Hagoromo gave only power to Ashura and next he says this time he divided the power between Ashura and Indra, which are Naruto and Sasuke.


If Naruto and Sasuke wasn't involved then yes your right, then I can agree it being only Ninshu that Hagoromo gave to Ashura. But Hagoromo says he gave only power to Ashura in the past, then says this time he divided the power between Ashura and Indra.

Naruto who is Ashura got RSM, while Sasuke who is Indra got Rinnengan.

 

[King Of Pop]

=AniCetuS;21191447]Ok, lets be clear on the intention of Naruto and Sasuke during VoTE 1.

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Naruto never had the intent to kill. He was just trying to bring Sasuke back to the village.

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Sasuke was trying to kill Naruto.

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Ofc he changed his mind after Naruto fell unconscious. But the entire battle he fought with the intent to kill

Now lets see the challenge Sasuke made to Naruto.

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irrelevant. not wanting to kill=/not going all out. naruto went kn1 which was his most powerful state back then, thats him accessing all his power. bringing sasuke back meant he needed to beat him and incapacitate him even if it means breaking his bones like he said. he didnt have the power to achieve that while holding back at that point and you will to be a delusional fanboy to think so.

And what Naruto did next was this...

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Notice the first line. Sasuke head is leaning forward and the top front right above to his forehead is much more accessible to Naruto's rasengan. Had he targeted that area that would've been a direct hit and probably an insta kill, but instead Naruto chose to target metal part of Sasuke's headband almost completely nullifying the damage.
He did that for two reasons:
1. As I pointed out earlier, he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke.
2. He was trying to win Sasuke's challenge and prove Sasuke wrong.

what you fanboys who mention this fail to realize is that nothing suggests sasuke wont have tried to outmanouvrre himself from the rasengan if naruto had aimed it at his chest or something. and based on what would that rasengan been an insta kill when sasukes was in cm2 which gives him defense? baseless.

now lets use some common sense. naruto wanted to win that fight to stop sasuke, holding back usually means the person still has more to do if he wants. why would naruto hold back to the point where he would lose even though he wanted to win? face facts, naruto could not have done anything more than he did. he gave it everything

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he just was not strong enough, end of story.

So Naruto did hold back. Now I know you'd probably disagree being a Sasuke fan and your reasons for doing so are what would be the actual BS. I am done here.

of course i disagree when manga does not support it. naruto only held back in wet dreams of naruto slurpers

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

If it is true that Hagoromo meant Ninshu, why say Hagoromo gave only power to Ashura and next he says this time he divided the power between Ashura and Indra, which are Naruto and Sasuke.


If Naruto and Sasuke wasn't involved then yes your right, then I can agree it being only Ninshu that Hagoromo gave to Ashura. But Hagoromo says he gave only power to Ashura in the past, then says this time he divided the power between Ashura and Indra.

Naruto who is Ashura got RSM, while Sasuke who is Indra got Rinnengan.

but that doesn't mean ashura never matched indra with his own powers EVEN IF HE DID receive six paths chakra from dad...because hagoromo stated so himself ^^^

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

irrelevant. not wanting to kill=/not going all out. naruto went kn1 which was his most powerful state back then, thats him accessing all his power. bringing sasuke back meant he needed to beat him and incapacitate him even if it means breaking his bones like he said. he didnt have the power to achieve that while holding back at that point and you will to be a delusional fanboy to think so.

what you fanboys who mention this fail to realize is that nothing suggests sasuke wont have tried to outmanouvrre himself from the rasengan if naruto had aimed it at his chest or something. and based on what would that rasengan been an insta kill when sasukes was in cm2 which gives him defense? baseless.

now lets use some common sense. naruto wanted to win that fight to stop sasuke, holding back usually means the person still has more to do if he wants. why would naruto hold back to the point where he would lose even though he wanted to win? face facts, naruto could not have done anything more than he did. he gave it everything

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he just was not strong enough, end of story.

of course i disagree when manga does not support it. naruto only held back in wet dreams of naruto slurpers

the rasengan hitting sasuke's ****ing headband instead of right in his chest where it was INTENDED was a bullshit asspull and you know it

 

[super michael]

but that doesn't mean ashura never matched indra with his own powers EVEN IF HE DID receive six paths chakra from dad...because hagoromo stated so himself ^^^

It is possible Ashura own power = Indra at one point and in another point Ashura with Hagoromo power = Indra.

We are only told that Hagoromo gave Ashura power, but we have no idea what Indra did to rival Ashura with Hagoromo power.

Wait I know we need the Viz translation, we are only using fan translation maybe that is the problem, we are getting inaccurate information. If there is a reliable translation like Herms with Dragon Ball that would be good.

 

[InfiniteDeath]

Uchiha wreck

 

[whiteboy2345]

the rasengan hitting sasuke's ****ing headband instead of right in his chest where it was INTENDED was a bullshit asspull and you know it

And what would hitting Sasuke in the chest with a rasengan accomplish? Killing Sasuke would result in a mission failure,

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

And what would hitting Sasuke in the chest with a rasengan accomplish? Killing Sasuke would result in a mission failure,

oh so you agree that it was bullshit

 

[whiteboy2345]

oh so you agree that it was bullshit

How was it bullshit?

Naruto's goal was not to kill Sasuke. If not holding back meant that Sasuke would die, then it means that Naruto isn't really all that strong. Kakashi for example, was much stronger than Sasuke and could have incapacitated Sasuke without killing him, and could have taken him back easily.

There was no way for Naruto to "hold back" without using extremely lethal measures like a Rasengan to the chest or letting the Nientails take control. We know this to be true, so stop contorting the story to your own whims and desires.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

irrelevant. not wanting to kill=/not going all out. naruto went kn1 which was his most powerful state back then, thats him accessing all his power. bringing sasuke back meant he needed to beat him and incapacitate him even if it means breaking his bones like he said. he didnt have the power to achieve that while holding back at that point and you will to be a delusional fanboy to think so.

And after all the explaining I did, I get this retarded response. Naruto and Sasuke clearly expressed their intent and your denial isn't going to change that. Do you think he stood a chance without going into KN1 against CM2 Sasuke. Sasuke was trying his best to kill him, Naruto didn't have a choice but to go KN1 but that doesn't mean he was trying to kill him.

what you fanboys who mention this fail to realize is that nothing suggests sasuke wont have tried to outmanouvrre himself from the rasengan if naruto had aimed it at his chest or something. and based on what would that rasengan been an insta kill when sasukes was in cm2 which gives him defense? baseless.

....sure.

now lets use some common sense. naruto wanted to win that fight to stop sasuke,

Yes only to stop Sasuke not kill him.

why would naruto hold back to the point where he would lose even though he wanted to win?

Because he'd rather die than kill his best friend. You sausage faps are so retarded that you'd ignore what Naruto stood for just to wank Sasuke and Naruto has proven it throughout the manga over and over again.
He even took a beating for Sasuke from fodders like Karui and Darui. If Sai hadn't intervened they'd have continued.

face facts, naruto could not have done anything more than he did. he gave it everything

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he just was not strong enough, end of story.

of course i disagree when manga does not support it. naruto only held back in wet dreams of naruto slurpers

Yes he gave it his all without trying to kill Sasuke and I've already explained the reasoning behind it but sure stay in denial.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

How was it bullshit?

Naruto's goal was not to kill Sasuke. If not holding back meant that Sasuke would die, then it means that Naruto isn't really all that strong. Kakashi for example, was much stronger than Sasuke and could have incapacitated Sasuke without killing him, and could have taken him back easily.

There was no way for Naruto to "hold back" without using extremely lethal measures like a Rasengan to the chest or letting the Nientails take control. We know this to be true, so stop contorting the story to your own whims and desires.

naruto hitting sasuke's ****ing headband was bullshit and you know it...naruto did not die when sasuke got him in the chest with the chidori so how would sasuke die from getting hit in the chest by the rasengan?...keep on telling yourself that it was a legitimate win for sasuke...lololololol

 

[King Of Pop]

=AniCetuS;21194165]And after all the explaining I did, I get this retarded response. Naruto and Sasuke clearly expressed their intent and your denial isn't going to change that.

and i have already told your dumbass that its irrelevant because not having killing intent=/=not going all out. naruto accessed his full power and went at sasuke with it.

Do you think he stood a chance without going into KN1 against CM2 Sasuke. Sasuke was trying his best to kill him, Naruto didn't have a choice but to go KN1 but that doesn't mean he was trying to kill him.

Except he went kn1 first before sasuke went cm2. non cm sasuke was whooping his ass and to match him, he went kn1 and sasuke countered with cm2 so the bold is horseshit. nice try though

....sure.

your post is based on what if, so i can easily use the same logic

Yes only to stop Sasuke not kill him.

and to stop sasuke, he needed to go all out and doing that means he cant hold back

Because he'd rather die than kill his best friend. You sausage faps are so retarded that you'd ignore what Naruto stood for just to wank Sasuke and Naruto has proven it throughout the manga over and over again.
He even took a beating for Sasuke from fodders like Karui and Darui. If Sai hadn't intervened they'd have continued.

so naruto who clearly made it known that he was going to stop sasuke, would suddenly now prefer to hold back and lose(in which case sasuke would go to oro)? lmao, do you not see how utterly stupid you sound?

Yes he gave it his all without trying to kill Sasuke and I've already explained the reasoning behind it but sure stay in denial.

he gave it his all=he went all out=he didnt hold back. he doesnt need to have killing intent to not hold back. its simple logic, something that always eludes naruto slurpers

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

and i have already told your dumbass that its irrelevant because not having killing intent=/=not going all out. naruto accessed his full power and went at sasuke with it.

...more nonsense from a sausage fap.

Except he went kn1 first before sasuke went cm2. non cm sasuke was whooping his ass and to match him, he went kn1 and sasuke countered with cm2 so the bold is horseshit. nice try though

I don't remember how it happened but even CM1 Sasuke was giving base Naruto trouble so Naruto going into KN1 was him trying to gain advantage over Sasuke.

your post is based on what if, so i can easily use the same logic

But if you were able to use logic then we won't be having this discussion....:th:

and to stop sasuke, he needed to go all out and doing that means he cant hold back

Oh but he did when he chose not to hit Sasuke directly. I also gave you the reason why he chose to target the headband and what could've happened had he chosen to strike a vital point but ofc you don't understand logic so no surprise there.

so naruto who clearly made it known that he was going to stop sasuke, would suddenly now prefer to hold back and lose(in which case sasuke would go to oro)? lmao, do you not see how utterly stupid you sound?

Did he ever say he'd kill Sasuke? No.
Let me explain it this way. You're in a fight with your friend who's trying to kill you but you want to save him no matter what. Both of you've got a knife and at the final clash both end up stabbing each other. The only difference is your friend stabbed you in the neck directly while you chose to stab him in the arm.
So give me an honest answer now. Did you go all out on your friend?

he gave it his all=he went all out=he didnt hold back. he doesnt need to have killing intent to not hold back. its simple logic, something that always eludes naruto slurpers

Answer the above question. Then I'll see whether to continue or not.

 

[Scryed]

the rasengan hitting sasuke's ****ing headband instead of right in his chest where it was INTENDED was a bullshit asspull and you know it

If you were to take both statements as true then that would mean that at some point, Ashura's own power bloomed and matched Indra. Indra, being prideful, couldn't stand that and decided to get stronger (turning Ninshu into a weapon by developing Ninjutsu of his own unknown to us). He was once again above Ashura until Hagoromo gave him RSM to match his power again which ended up leading to the fight where they destroyed each other.

Looks like I quoted the wrong post but I'm sure you know what I mean

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

If you were to take both statements as true then that would mean that at some point, Ashura's own power bloomed and matched Indra. Indra, being prideful, couldn't stand that and decided to get stronger (turning Ninshu into a weapon by developing Ninjutsu of his own unknown to us). He was once again above Ashura until Hagoromo gave him RSM to match his power again which ended up leading to the fight where they destroyed each other.

Looks like I quoted the wrong post but I'm sure you know what I mean

Just one problem. Hago never said anything even close to the bold text. So there is no proof of what you saying there.

 

[Scryed]

Just one problem. Hago never said anything even close to the bold text. So there is no proof of what you saying there.

You're right. There's no proof. I'm just trying to make sense of the two statements since otherwise, they would contradict each other.

I have a hypothesis on Indra having access to multiple MS abilities before he died which could've allowed him to fight on par with RSM Ashura. Since Ashura was, in fact, equal to Indra with his own power at some point but they stood as equals by the end even after Hagoromo gave him some power. My thoughts are that Indra had maybe a couple of MS abilities when Ashura's power bloomed and matched his own and had developed more MS abilities by the time Ashura received RSM. Just a hypothesis since I haven't seen enough information for an actual answer since simple Ninjutsu alone shouldn't be able to match RSM.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

You're right. There's no proof. I'm just trying to make sense of the two statements since otherwise, they would contradict each other.

I have a hypothesis on Indra having access to multiple MS abilities before he died which could've allowed him to fight on par with RSM Ashura. Since Ashura was, in fact, equal to Indra with his own power at some point but they stood as equals by the end even after Hagoromo gave him some power. My thoughts are that Indra had maybe a couple of MS abilities when Ashura's power bloomed and matched his own and had developed more MS abilities by the time Ashura received RSM. Just a hypothesis since I haven't seen enough information for an actual answer since simple Ninjutsu alone shouldn't be able to match RSM.

No they don't. You've seen how powerful Naruto and Sasuke became after each receiving half of Hago's chakra. Do you really think if Hago had given all his powers to Ashura who already equaled Indra, Indra would stand a chance against him even if Indra mastered a few ninjutsu for which ofc there is no proof.