Boruto Shinju Tree size.

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Now I've been hearing for some time now that the Shinju tree depicted in Boruto is a lot smaller than the one in the main Naruto manga (which down-scales the feat of the tree being cut) because it looks like this:

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However, as we all know SP is terrible at scaling anything and the Boruto Manga proves it. In the Manga, the Shinju tree is so large it dwarfs mountains just like it used too:

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The cluster's of mountains around the trees crater are tiny specs compared to the height and width. So unless people wish to start arguing semantics, I think this Shinju should be considered the same size as the other one. Even if the mountain scale looks arguably larger than the later scale of the Shinju in Naruto; as to me its dwarfing the mountains even more. However it could be just art difference, or more like the size the Shinju tree originally appeared in its first few moments where even the roots dwarfed mountains in Naruto.

Because of these facts we can say that Momoshiki's strange shockwave ability is comparable to RSM Naruto's SYRS.

But anyway, does this make sense?

 

[SixPathsMike101]

This last chapter made it look massive

 

[Ansatsuken]

The manga is trash anyways

 

[MomoSaka]

Does it matter?

 

[Melanin]

That shit huge though.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Does it matter?

It does when people downplay the feat with "That Shinju isn't anywhere near the size of the other one. That's like....city level at best"
-_-

 

[Ansatsuken]

It does when people downplay the feat with "That Shinju isn't anywhere near the size of the other one. That's like....city level at best"
-_-

He can slashed a Shinju that large even produce a shockwave as the after effect that can kill anything in hundreds of Kilometer radius but still lost like a pathetic.

He is in the right situation to get downplay

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

You can slashed a Shinju that large even produce a shockwave as the after effect that can kill anything in hundreds of Kilometer radius but still lost like a pathetic.

Yet in this case it was Momoshiki's mere shockwave that sliced the tree.

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That's pretty ridiculous and far better than the movie feat. My only misgivings with this depiction of the fight is the inconsistency of normal Momoshiki wrecking Naruto but Naruto doing fine with the new Momoshiki, but that could be just Naruto's ridiculous reactions coming into play. This time around in the manga we have Momoshiki's golem actually wrecking Naruto's avatar down but losing to the combined efforts of Naruto's avatar and Sasuke's Susano'o. I'm a little disappointed though, considering his feats in the novel I was hoping for equal or even better ones.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's barely as wide as Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars, thus it's barely as wide as a Mountain. So no, YRS's feat of cutting the Shinju in the original Manga is still far superior because:

Manga Shinju>>>>>>>PS>=Boruto Shinju in width.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

It's barely as wide as Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars, thus it's barely as wide as a Mountain. So no, YRS's feat of cutting the Shinju in the original Manga is still far superior because:

Manga Shinju>>>>>>>PS>=Boruto Shinju in width.

Yet in the Boruto manga we have it appearing larger than mountains outside the crater and absolutely dwarfing them. And show me it barely being as wide as Naruto or Sasuke's avatars.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yet in the Boruto manga we have it appearing larger than mountains outside the crater and absolutely dwarfing them. And show me it barely being as wide as Naruto or Sasuke's avatars.

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1. 1:44 onwards you can see Kurama compared to the tree and they are in the same league when it comes to size. The Shinju from the War dwarfed PS, which is equal to RSM Kurama in size. Thus the War Shinju is far larger.


2. And no, you don't see it dwarfing Mountains. Those Mountains are further away from the focal point of the scan than the tree is thus they will look smaller than usual.

 

[Shroud]

this look like the size of the normal tree?

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[Lord of Akatsuki]

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1. 1:44 onwards you can see Kurama compared to the tree and they are in the same league when it comes to size. The Shinju from the War dwarfed PS, which is equal to RSM Kurama in size. Thus the War Shinju is far larger.


2. And no, you don't see it dwarfing Mountains. Those Mountains are further away from the focal point of the scan than the tree is thus they will look smaller than usual.

Except this is the movie scale, which is off as shown in the Manga where that never happens and instead it is larger than the avatars.


You do. There's one right next to the edge of the crater and its utterly dwarfed by the tree. This is the same argument with the original Shinju tree scale not being much bigger than the mountains surrounding it (but in its first appearance even the roots utterly dwarfed the mountains, yet later on they were barely bigger than the Bijuu, scaling down its size massively); but in this case its the Manga vs the Movie, and we all know how bad SPs scale is.

this look like the size of the normal tree?

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Asks this question, yet shows the movie scale. -_-

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The Shinju in the Boruto manga is leagues larger than the freaken awful SP scale in the movie.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except this is the movie scale, which is off as shown in the Manga where that never happens and instead it is larger than the avatars.


You do. There's one right next to the edge of the crater and its utterly dwarfed by the tree. This is the same argument with the original Shinju tree scale not being much bigger than the mountains surrounding it (yet in its first appearance even the roots utterly dwarfed the mountains, yet later on they were barely bigger than the Bijuu).

The Movie and the Manga are exactly the same thing and there's no reason to believe there is any difference unless there is one pointed out, and that is clearly not the case here. The only Mountains on that scan are the Mountains outside of the crater and obviously those would look small compared to the tree because of perspective. The edge of the crater is still far away from the actual tree as the actual tree is in the center of said crater.

Your Shinju example doesn't even make sense because there is no valid argument that can be made for perspective being why the Shinju isn't much bigger than the Mountains surrounding it. People making the argument doesn't make it right and it being right is the only way mentioning it helps your argument. (and the bold never ever happened. Two completely different sets of roots) But I already know where this is headed so I'll just post this scan here.

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Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is almost the same size as the tree trunk. Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is the same size as it was in the movie and the size difference between the trunk and the ball is the same as it was in the movie, thus the trees are the same size in the movie and the Boruto Manga, thus smaller than the War tree by far. Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is almost as large as that tree trunk. Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is not larger than Perfect Susanoo or RSM Kurama. So how is it almost the size of a tree that dwarfs those constructs?

It's not, that's how. War Shinju>>>>>>>>Boruto Shinju in size.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

The Movie and the Manga are exactly the same thing and there's no reason to believe there is any difference unless there is one pointed out, and that is clearly not the case here. The only Mountains on that scan are the Mountains outside of the crater and obviously those would look small compared to the tree because of perspective. The edge of the crater is still far away from the actual tree as the actual tree is in the center of said crater.

They're not.

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Those are all mountains around the crater, yet in the movie none of them are there:

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Not only that, but we've already seen SP mess up the Shinju's scale in the anime where it looks pretty much the same size as the movie one, along with almost everything else being terribly scaled too (like Shinsusenju barely being larger than Kurama and not being larger than mountains in the anime).

Your Shinju example doesn't even make sense because there is no valid argument that can be made for perspective being why the Shinju isn't much bigger than the Mountains surrounding it. People making the argument doesn't make it right and it being right is the only way mentioning it helps your argument. (and the bold never ever happened. Two completely different sets of roots) But I already know where this is headed so I'll just post this scan here.

Except there's several instances of bad scaling where it appeared larger and than became smaller again, there's also crater inconsistency and the roots DID indeed show up as being smaller later on:

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Barely larger than Bijuu, despite those SAME roots dwarfing Gai's Daytime Tiger which is larger than an island; and previously the roots dwarfing these mountains.

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Yet later on they're smaller.

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Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is almost the same size as the tree trunk. Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is the same size as it was in the movie and the size difference between the trunk and the ball is the same as it was in the movie, thus the trees are the same size in the movie and the Boruto Manga, thus smaller than the War tree by far. Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is almost as large as that tree trunk. Boruto's enhanced Rasengan is not larger than Perfect Susanoo or RSM Kurama. So how is it almost the size of a tree that dwarfs those constructs?

It's not, that's how. War Shinju>>>>>>>>Boruto Shinju in size.

Except its not, we see the Rasengan is actually far smaller than the trunk and is smaller than the area it damaged (which it did that damage because of the wind effect), look at the scale again.

 

[KidGamer65]

They're not.

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Those are all mountains around the crater, yet in the movie none of them are there:

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Not only that, but we've already seen SP mess up the Shinju's scale in the anime where it looks pretty much the same size as the movie one, along with almost everything else being terribly scaled too (like Shinsusenju barely being larger than Kurama and not being larger than mountains in the anime).

The Mountains being absent says nothing about the size of the tree so that's a moot point to bring up. What SP has done in the past is irrelevant because we aren't talking about those instances we are talking about this instance, and there is literally nothing supporting the assertion that the Movie and Manga Shinju are different sizes. Nothing at all.

Except there's several instances of bad scaling where it appeared larger and than became smaller again, there's also crater inconsistency and the roots DID indeed show up as being smaller later on:

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Barely larger than Bijuu, despite those SAME roots dwarfing Gai's Daytime Tiger which is larger than an island; and previously the roots dwarfing these mountains.

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Yet later on they're smaller.

Uh, no. Like I said, completely different roots. The roots in the bottom scan are the roots that are spread out across the crater. The roots that appear near the Bijuu are different smaller roots.

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Big roots.

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Smaller roots inside.

Except its not, we see the Rasengan is actually far smaller than the trunk and is smaller than the area it damaged (which it did that damage because of the wind effect), look at the scale again.

Lmao what?

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Two scans showing the Rasengan compared to the tree. Either you start arguing that the Rasengan dwarfs Perfect Susanoo or you concede. The Rasengan being smaller than the trunk is irrelevant. Perfect Susanoo is a dot in a barrier that couldn't contain the Shinju in the Manga. Rasengan is nowhere near that large nor is it that small in comparison to the Shinju in the movie/manga.

And don't ignore pieces of the my post. Boruto's Rasengan is no larger than it was in the movie yet the size difference between the movie tree and the Rasengan and the Manga tree and the Rasengan are exactly the same, meaning the movie tree is the same as the Manga tree.

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[Lord of Akatsuki]

The Mountains being absent says nothing about the size of the tree so that's a moot point to bring up. What SP has done in the past is irrelevant because we aren't talking about those instances we are talking about this instance, and there is literally nothing supporting the assertion that the Movie and Manga Shinju are different sizes. Nothing at all.

Except it does. It changes the entire scale fo the picture, and it ISN'T a moot point bringing up SPs past mistakes as they do it all the time, and did it to the Shinju tree in the anime itself. It counts.There's literally nothing proving that the Manga Shinju isn't the same size as the one in the Manga, both are larger than the mountains surrounding them as shown in both manga.

Uh, no. Like I said, completely different roots. The roots in the bottom scan are the roots that are spread out across the crater. The roots that appear near the Bijuu are different smaller roots.

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Big roots.

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Smaller roots inside.

I'm sorry, what? LMAO, this shit.

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Don't know about you, but that's CLEARLY the outstretched large roots. Still not convinced the scale is ****ed?

Here's Naruto's RSM Avatar in comparison to the Shinju tree (IN THE MANGA).

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It's actually longer, and almost AS wide.....and bigger than mountains, too.

Sasuke's PS compared to small chunks of a CT.

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Those chunks in comparison to mountains.

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Both of which by these scales would be, incomparably larger than 100% Kurama (which was smaller than mountains near the ocean which are on average smaller than inland ones), and Madara's PS (which is a dot in the Shinju barrier, yet just as large as the Bijuu).

Not only that, but we have several panels of the Shinju trunk only being as wide as a mountain:

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Yet we know it is far wider than mountains. But here is it compared to the island sized crater below it (which dwarfed mountains in other panels).

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Crater compared to mountains:

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But than we also have this:

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Which shows the Shinju and the CTs as comparable....to one mountain, despite a mere fragment of one CT dropping and dwarfing up to almost a dozen mountains. And the Shinju being wider than the barrier that dwarfed multitudes of mountains and appearing this big:

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Lmao what?

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Two scans showing the Rasengan compared to the tree. Either you start arguing that the Rasengan dwarfs Perfect Susanoo or you concede. The Rasengan being smaller than the trunk is irrelevant. Perfect Susanoo is a dot in a barrier that couldn't contain the Shinju in the Manga. Rasengan is nowhere near that large nor is it that small in comparison to the Shinju in the movie/manga.

And don't ignore pieces of the my post. Boruto's Rasengan is no larger than it was in the movie yet the size difference between the movie tree and the Rasengan and the Manga tree and the Rasengan are exactly the same, meaning the movie tree is the same as the Manga tree.

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Actually, by this argument Boruto's Rasengan is actually larger in the manga as it is comparable in size to one of the roots but is smaller than them in the movie.


The only PS that was a dot compared to the Shinju is Madara's (and his PS is comparable to the Bijuu, yet it is smaller than the roots when they weren't which shows off scale). Again:

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And the scale in the Boruto film being compared to the Boruto manga's makes no sense at all and proves virtually nothing. Let's not ignore Gai's island sized attack being tiny compared to the main roots yet the Bijuu are almost as large as one of the big roots in several panels.I hope we don't ignore on panel evidence of the Shinju in Boruto dwarfing several dozen mountains (at least) surrounding its crater. Your argument is baseless.

 

[UnknownJin]

Shinju Tree

 

[KidGamer65]

I'll respond later, but do us both a favor and stop using this nonsense logic. Pointing out OTHER mistakes in scaling doesn't prove a thing about THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. You can find scaling inconsistencies in the Manga and in the Movie, does that mean that whatever examples you point out are automatically ones that can be ruled as invalid? No. So don't expect me to reply to anything that isn't a direct comparison to the Movie's tree and the Manga's tree. Other scaling inconsistencies are irrelevant.

 

[Icelerate]

You claim the movie made the mistake but didn't the movie come before the manga? So wouldn't it be the manga that made the mistake? Also you then go on to claim that Kinshiki's shock wave is as strong as LRS despite him not using the shock wave to cut the tree in the manga which contradicts the movie.

So you favor the manga portrayal when it fits your interpretation but then show the movie event instead. Talk about being inconsistent while complaining about inconsistency.