RSM Naruto vs DRSM Madara, SM Hashirama, and KCM Minato.

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Scenario 1. This is full-powered teenage RSM Naruto with feats from both the Kaguya fight and VOTE2 fight (Ashura Avatar allowed). Revived Madara with both Rinnegan and SM.

Scenario 2. Adult non-rusty RSM Naruto with feats from the Boruto novel, Movie and Manga along with any other note worthy feats from the Last and other novels.

 

[ARGUS]

Naruto loses

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Naruto loses

Why does he? Explain.

 

[KidGamer65]

Naruto wins both. Gathers Nature Energy and then blows these to hell w/ FRS.

 

[The Messiah]

Naruto wins both. Gathers Nature Energy and then blows these to hell w/ FRS.

Precisely.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Naruto wins both. Gathers Nature Energy and then blows these to hell w/ FRS.

It's nice when I see you have the same thoughts I do XD A friend of mine believes that this team wins though -_-

How do you think the team fair if the other two Hokage's are added in or if Toneri is allowed?

 

[Oblivionx]

Naruto can't lose this..

 

[ARGUS]

Why does he? Explain.

I'm assuming he doesn't start with ashura avatar but rather that he can get it mid battle
If that's the case then yeah he would lose

-- myojinmon binds down his avatar and the only way he can escape is by losing his defense

-- SS would slap back any TBB he may toss, whilst ST and S/T barrier redirects any other projectile such as RS etc

-- without his nukes, naruto can't take this team out, nor is he offensively competing, especially when his own gets negated and his defense does too

-- he can't fight with avatar without getting pinned down and he sure as hell isnt fighting without it, otherwise PS and SS would rip him to shreds

Only way he can win is by ashura avatar but the team isn't letting him gain that much NE without doing anything.
If naruto stays still, then PS, and Chojo land and continue to obliterate him

 

[KidGamer65]

It's nice when I see you have the same thoughts I do XD A friend of mine believes that this team wins though -_-

How do you think the team fair if the other two Hokage's are added in or if Toneri is allowed?

The Hokage change nothing. Toneri might. If Golden Wheel can damage the Avatar then they win. If not then they still lose. The team's issue is beating Naruto before he can gather NE. The only one who has the firepower to even put a scratch on Naruto's Avatar is Hashirama. Sasuke's PS canonically can't scratch Naruto's Avatar when he's defending himself so Madara's does no better. Minato has zero firepower whatsoever compared to these 3 in this match. :lol

I'm assuming he doesn't start with ashura avatar but rather that he can get it mid battle
If that's the case then yeah he would lose

-- myojinmon binds down his avatar and the only way he can escape is by losing his defense

-- SS would slap back any TBB he may toss, whilst ST and S/T barrier redirects any other projectile such as RS etc

-- without his nukes, naruto can't take this team out, nor is he offensively competing, especially when his own gets negated and his defense does too

-- he can't fight with avatar without getting pinned down and he sure as hell isnt fighting without it, otherwise PS and SS would rip him to shreds

Only way he can win is by ashura avatar but the team isn't letting him gain that much NE without doing anything.
If naruto stays still, then PS, and Chojo land and continue to obliterate him

If Naruto makes Avatar clones to act as a shield from SS then he can gather enough Nature Energy to blow these 3 off the planet. Myojinmon does nothing to prevent this as the Avatars don't need to move to be stationary shields. Better yet, if Naruto uses 9 BDFRS to meet Chojo Kebutsu he'll do more than just buy time to gather NE, he'll completely mess up SS's arms, it's main body and probably kill Hashirama all in one go as 9 BDFRS surpass Chojo's power by a good amount, and SS lost it's arms by clashing with something much weaker than 9 BDFRS while Naruto can reuse his BDFRS. Only Hashirama and Madara's attacks together surpass 9 BDFRS, but Madara lacks that firepower here.

-Shinra Tensei and S/T Barrier won't work when SS's fists are in the path of BDFRS so mentioning that is pointless.

So no, Naruto very clearly wins this with or without Ashura Avatar.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

The Hokage change nothing. Toneri might. If Golden Wheel can damage the Avatar then they win. If not then they still lose. The team's issue is beating Naruto before he can gather NE. The only one who has the firepower to even put a scratch on Naruto's Avatar is Hashirama. Sasuke's PS canonically can't scratch Naruto's Avatar when he's defending himself so Madara's does no better. Minato has zero firepower whatsoever compared to these 3 in this match. :lol

Alright, but do you really think Hashirama can even scratch Naruto's avatar?

If Naruto makes Avatar clones to act as a shield from SS then he can gather enough Nature Energy to blow these 3 off the planet. Myojinmon does nothing to prevent this as the Avatars don't need to move to be stationary shields. Better yet, if Naruto uses 9 BDFRS to meet Chojo Kebutsu he'll do more than just buy time to gather NE, he'll completely mess up SS's arms, it's main body and probably kill Hashirama all in one go as 9 BDFRS surpass Chojo's power by a good amount, and SS lost it's arms by clashing with something much weaker than 9 BDFRS while Naruto can reuse his BDFRS. Only Hashirama and Madara's attacks together surpass 9 BDFRS, but Madara lacks that firepower here.

-Shinra Tensei and S/T Barrier won't work when SS's fists are in the path of BDFRS so mentioning that is pointless.

So no, Naruto very clearly wins this with or without Ashura Avatar.

Eh...when did Hashirama and Madara's clash surpass Naruto's BDFRS? Doesn't his have more potency and size?

 

[KidGamer65]

Alright, but do you really think Hashirama can even scratch Naruto's avatar?






Eh...when did Hashirama and Madara's clash surpass Naruto's BDFRS? Doesn't his have more potency and size?

Yes, he can because Naruto's Avatar was canonically damaged by an explosion weaker than Chojo Kebutsu, and Naruto's BDFRS are not larger nor are they more potent. The potency of a Bijuu Dama is reflected in it's explosion size. The more potent the ball the bigger the explosion. That's why RSM Naruto and Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama are the same size, but the explosion of Naruto's is far larger. Madara's BD's explosion is larger than 6 of Naruto's BDFRS, thus it is stronger. Adding 3 doesn't make up for the gap that will be created when an equal attack (Chojo) is thrown into the mix.

 

[ARGUS]

If Naruto makes Avatar clones to act as a shield from SS then he can gather enough Nature Energy to blow these 3 off the planet. Myojinmon does nothing to prevent this as the Avatars don't need to move to be stationary shields.

Won't work because Madara can see through clones. Avatar clones shielding from SS doesn't make sense either when their avatars themselves get bound and then swarmed by Chojo

Better yet, if Naruto uses 9 BDFRS to meet Chojo Kebutsu he'll do more than just buy time to gather NE, he'll completely mess up SS's arms, it's main body and probably kill Hashirama all in one go as 9 BDFRS surpass Chojo's power by a good amount, and SS lost it's arms by clashing with something much weaker than 9 BDFRS while Naruto can reuse his BDFRS. Only Hashirama and Madara's attacks together surpass 9 BDFRS, but Madara lacks that firepower here.

Except it's not about Chojo clashing with BDRS
If naruto tries doing that with his avatar, then myojinmon will be opted and he gets bound
If naruto tries doing that after escaping myojinmon or without his avatar, then PS swings its blade and any clone or humanoid naruto gets cut apart before he charges that many BDRS, even if he gets some through then minato will send them away or ST will dispel them

-Shinra Tensei and S/T Barrier won't work when SS's fists are in the path of BDFRS so mentioning that is pointless.

No it's not because Chojo would only land once naruto is bound, and naruto isn't escaping without them knowing about it so Madara will just get rid of any defenseless naruto who tries charging it up, thus eliminating the possibility of 9 BDRS even landing

So no, Naruto very clearly wins this with or without Ashura Avatar.

He wins with ashura avatar
Without it, all his nukes are turned against him and so is his defense. He eventually dies by PS cutting him apart or Chojo turning him to dust

On a side note, are you of the opinion that vote1 clash explosion was entirely created by 12 TBB?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto stomps with or without Ashura mode.

RSM Kurama clones rape these guys low diff a Bijuudama barrages from 6 Kurama clones destroys Minato and Madara. Hoti gates are sensed and dodged. Naruto clones can also throw Lava FRS which would destroy Minato's Kurama. SS is obliterated with one TSB Bijuudama. Kurama clones and RSM clones alone gang rape Minato and Madara.

The Hokage change nothing. Toneri might. If Golden Wheel can damage the Avatar then they win. If not then they still lose. The team's issue is beating Naruto before he can gather NE. The only one who has the firepower to even put a scratch on Naruto's Avatar is Hashirama. Sasuke's PS canonically can't scratch Naruto's Avatar when he's defending himself so Madara's does no better. Minato has zero firepower whatsoever compared to these 3 in this match. :lol




If Naruto makes Avatar clones to act as a shield from SS then he can gather enough Nature Energy to blow these 3 off the planet. Myojinmon does nothing to prevent this as the Avatars don't need to move to be stationary shields. Better yet, if Naruto uses 9 BDFRS to meet Chojo Kebutsu he'll do more than just buy time to gather NE, he'll completely mess up SS's arms, it's main body and probably kill Hashirama all in one go as 9 BDFRS surpass Chojo's power by a good amount, and SS lost it's arms by clashing with something much weaker than 9 BDFRS while Naruto can reuse his BDFRS. Only Hashirama and Madara's attacks together surpass 9 BDFRS, but Madara lacks that firepower here.

-Shinra Tensei and S/T Barrier won't work when SS's fists are in the path of BDFRS so mentioning that is pointless.

So no, Naruto very clearly wins this with or without Ashura Avatar.

9BDFRS would probably destroy SS and kill Hashirama Jesus christ your Hashirama wank is out of this world.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yes, he can because Naruto's Avatar was canonically damaged by an explosion weaker than Chojo Kebutsu, and Naruto's BDFRS are not larger nor are they more potent. The potency of a Bijuu Dama is reflected in it's explosion size. The more potent the ball the bigger the explosion. That's why RSM Naruto and Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama are the same size, but the explosion of Naruto's is far larger. Madara's BD's explosion is larger than 6 of Naruto's BDFRS, thus it is stronger. Adding 3 doesn't make up for the gap that will be created when an equal attack (Chojo) is thrown into the mix.

The logic behide this is so terrible plus your constantly constridicting yourself prime example here.

The potency of a Bijuu Dama is reflected in it's explosion size. The more potent the ball the bigger the explosion.
You claim this above yet you also claim full Kurama Bijuudama shits on all other Bijuu Bijuudama's yet there all the same size. Full Kurama standard Bijuudama is basic mountain level shown here[

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So is full Kurama Bijuudama equal to all the other Bijuu Bijuudama's since there all mountain level in terms of height?

 

[KidGamer65]

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Lmao are you daft? If they are all the same size then they are the same strength. Period. You keep on crying about Kurama this, Kurama that, but if Kurama's standard Bijuu Dama was stronger than the other Bijuu the ball would be larger. The difference between our arguments is:

You- No scans, just repeated idiocy supporting your claims.

Me- Fact and actual Manga events.

Don't reply to me at every chance you get if all you are going to do is repeat the same stuff over and over and over and over again.

And where the actual hell did I say that Full Kurama's standard BD>Every other Bijuu's standard BD when the explosions are the same size? Lmao don't make shit up now son.

Won't work because Madara can see through clones. Avatar clones shielding from SS doesn't make sense either when their avatars themselves get bound and then swarmed by Chojo

Him knowing it's a clone doesn't matter for obvious reasons. It's not meant to fool him it's meant to act as a shield, Hashirama can't target Avatar 1 if Avatar 2 is in front of it regardless of them being unable to move.

Except it's not about Chojo clashing with BDRS
If naruto tries doing that with his avatar, then myojinmon will be opted and he gets bound
If naruto tries doing that after escaping myojinmon or without his avatar, then PS swings its blade and any clone or humanoid naruto gets cut apart before he charges that many BDRS, even if he gets some through then minato will send them away or ST will dispel them

You aren't making sense here. What does Naruto's Avatar have to do with anything I said? Naruto's Avatar doesn't throw BDFRS, Naruto throws it and Naruto doesn't need to be outside of his Avatar to use BDFRS nor does his Avatar need to be free from Myojinmon because it being bound doesn't mean Naruto is immobile inside of it. So you can forget about Shinra Tensei and S/T Barrier being used. You can also forget about any of Madara's attacks reaching Naruto from inside his Avatar.

No it's not because Chojo would only land once naruto is bound, and naruto isn't escaping without them knowing about it so Madara will just get rid of any defenseless naruto who tries charging it up, thus eliminating the possibility of 9 BDRS even landing

This doesn't make sense and was addressed above regardless.

On a side note, are you of the opinion that vote1 clash explosion was entirely created by 12 TBB?

Nope. It was both.

 

[ARGUS]

Him knowing it's a clone doesn't matter for obvious reasons. It's not meant to fool him it's meant to act as a shield, Hashirama can't target Avatar 1 if Avatar 2 is in front of it regardless of them being unable to move.

Except he can since clone 1 being in front of original won't let the original evade it because Chojo will be landing from up above and has the AOE to effect both of them, this doesn't even make sense because a single clone avatar isn't big enough to block the original or to encompass the entire vicinity of Chojo, which would be the only way to ensure that the original gets hit

Not to mention that if naruto even manages this through a clone avatar or attempts it, then minato would just teleport it away once it's bound

You aren't making sense here. What does Naruto's Avatar have to do with anything I said? Naruto's Avatar doesn't throw BDFRS, Naruto throws it and Naruto doesn't need to be outside of his Avatar to use BDFRS nor does his Avatar need to be free from Myojinmon because it being bound doesn't mean Naruto is immobile inside of it. So you can forget about Shinra Tensei and S/T Barrier being used. You can also forget about any of Madara's attacks reaching Naruto from inside his Avatar.



This doesn't make sense and was addressed above regardless.




Nope. It was both.

If naruto is attacking by himself when he's within his avatar then yes, ST and The barrier would counter it and send it back to him. Naruto attacking through himself won't change the fact that the second, the BDRS come in their way, the barrier and ST will form and send them away.


Sending the BDRS accomplishes nothing because all it'll do is come right back at naruto. And he sure as hell gets in trouble Since his defense is bound

If he sends in 9 BDRS like you say he would then:
>S/T barrier and ST send it back at naruto and he gets hit by 9 of his attacks
>if his avatar is still in place, then Chojo lands and continues to hit him till he dies.

His avatar gets in pretty bad shape from 9 BDRS alone,, and he won't be launching his attacks immediately before Chojo lands, so the latter doesn't get matched this time and he can forget about doing anything meaningful when he's stuck in one place and any attack he throws get sent right back at the same spot

 

[KidGamer65]

If naruto is attacking by himself when he's within his avatar then yes, ST and The barrier would counter it and send it back to him. Naruto attacking through himself won't change the fact that the second, the BDRS come in their way, the barrier and ST will form and send them away.

Lmao no it won't. If Chojo comes at Naruto and Naruto responds with BDFRS, putting his barrier in the middle of the two is impossible due to Hashirama's attack being in the way and it doesn't take much thought to realize why Shinra Tensei won't work when it'd Hashirama's attack is also in the way. Then we have the fact that Minato's barrier redirected multiple projectiles at once is fanfiction and also isn't happening. It takes time to drag objects in, and when the BDFRS hit each other due to not instantly vanishing when they crash into the barrier they blow up and tear SS to shreds.

So we can forget about pretty much everything you stated happening.

-Chojo is launched.
-BDFRS is launched.
-Shinra Tensei doesn't work because Chojo is already in the line of fire. So unless you can provide evidence that Shinra Tensei can manifest in front of Naruto's attack and not have to go through Hashirama's there's nothing to discuss on this matter here. That's like saying Deva can be behind Preta Path, but redirect a small missile coming at Preta Path using Shinra Tensei.
-S/T can't redirect 9 BDFRS at once. Even if it could, without outside markings everyone gets caught in the blast and the one with the most chance to survive is Naruto as he has the most durable Avatar.

His avatar gets in pretty bad shape from 9 BDRS alone,, and he won't be launching his attacks immediately before Chojo lands, so the latter doesn't get matched this time and he can forget about doing anything meaningful when he's stuck in one place and any attack he throws get sent right back at the same spot

And even this doesn't make any sense. If 9 BDFRS are used Naruto isn't going to take any damage because they'd go through Hashirama's attack due to being superior and then the brunt of the attack hits him and his teammates. Whether or not he's being hit by Chojo doesn't have any factor on when he can use his attacks because his Avatar being hit doesn't mean that he is being hit, and him releasing the 9 BDFRS when his Avatar is being hit only makes it all the more apparent why S/T Barrier and Shinra Tensei aren't doing anything.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lmao are you daft? If they are all the same size then they are the same strength. Period. You keep on crying about Kurama this, Kurama that, but if Kurama's standard Bijuu Dama was stronger than the other Bijuu the ball would be larger. The difference between our arguments is:

You- No scans, just repeated idiocy supporting your claims.

Me- Fact and actual Manga events.

Don't reply to me at every chance you get if all you are going to do is repeat the same stuff over and over and over and over again.

And where the actual hell did I say that Full Kurama's standard BD>Every other Bijuu's standard BD when the explosions are the same size? Lmao don't make shit up now son.

Except you provides 0 manga facts ever. RSM Naruto Bijuudama covered the entire vote aoe and this scan shows it.[

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Don't argue it concede to it. Vote explosion is just as big or a small bit bigger than RSM Kurama standard Bijuudama and a BDFRS explosion shits on that of standard Kuramas.

 

[KidGamer65]

Except you provides 0 manga facts ever. RSM Naruto Bijuudama covered the entire vote aoe and this scan shows it.[

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Don't argue it concede to it. Vote explosion is just as big or a small bit bigger than RSM Kurama standard Bijuudama and a BDFRS explosion shits on that of standard Kuramas.

So what? Lmao. RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama being that large has shit to do with anything being argued here. Then we have the fact that 9BDFRS do not produce an explosion larger than that of the VOTE 1 explosion, but you are the dumbass who thinks that the water towers created by Naruto and Sasuke clashing at VoTE 2 were almost as big as VoTE 1's explosion so I'm not surprised you are arguing some dumb shit.

-A single BDFRS explosion is not larger than Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama. Not even close.
-VoTe 1's explosion is far larger than RSM Kurama's standard BD which is easily larger than any singular BDFRS.

Like I said, don't reply if all you are going to do is argue nonsense. The world won't end if I don't agree with your horseshit so stop trying already. :lol