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[VS] SHGF and allies vs Big Mom Pirates (w/o Big Mom)

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Love Cook said:
No again you don't get what I'm saying. Because an other event in the manga showed that Nami was being handled by the enraged army in a matter of minutes.

She will probably have a hard time spraying Cracker when she is in a book or mirror world.

You perfectly line up the fights like how you want them to play out. But it's a war, look how hectic marineford was. It's much more likely that cracker floods the battlefield with his clones while he is safe in a distance. And some unknown Fishmen aren't taking down those clones. Jimbei maybe, and Nami needs help to deliver the final blows.

But the bottom line is that you said Cracker is a non factor, which is bullshit because it takes a lot of power and time to take him down. While BM still has at least 17 other strong people running around.
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How am I lining up fights? I'm mentioning how one character becomes ineffective in the grand scheme of this battle because of the abilities possessed by more than 2 of his opponents, you're choosing to put so much emphasis on Nami specifically.

As for Nami let's lay out the likely scenario; Armies arrive, sections break off. Let's give you benefit of the doubt and say Cracker goes left Nami goes right. Cracker makes a bunch of clones and sends them to each section of battle, Nami finds the strongest people around her to protect her. Nami's section is fighting, Cracker's biscuits walk in. What do you think the odds are they get wet walking into a battlefield of Nami's mid fight? Now she finds this out and gets a strong group to help lead her and someone to beat Cracker(Either Luffy, Law or as we've established the minks if working together as the most likely choices)

Scenario B; Cracker's biscuits stumble on the Sun Pirates. Sun Pirates being FMK users make the biscuits soggy, destroy them and get away to join with another group(giving them the man advantage) and remove their biscuit problem as well, repeating until the SH side has reunited.

Cracker's biggest weakness would be discovered rather quickly in this fight. And do we even know if it's strictly water or moisture in general? Would Brook's Soul Solid have a big impact?

I never said the Sun fishmen could take him out, their use of FMK makes any biscuits he uses soggy and breakable by forces much weaker than G4 which leaves Cracker's biggest offense and defense susceptible to the fleets members.

To the "It takes G4 to break it" point, we don't know how a semi charged King's Punch or a combination of big attacks would measure up to G4 so no G4 is not the only way to break Cracker's biscuits.
 
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chopstickchakra said:
A. Because that's her main form of attack why would you assume it wouldn't be discovered again if we go under the assumption it's her first encounter? B. Jinbe and the upper Fishmen pirates all have FMK which produces water. So between those two points Cracker's biscuits(which is the best thing about him in a fight) are ineffective.

Nami not having the vivre card isn't as impactful since she has literally thousands of foot soldiers from the fleet, the Heart Pirates, the Minks and all she has a good body of cover. Plus her attacks are area based attacks and she doesn't need to be in proximity once they start she can set up an attack and move.

90% wouldn't be able to deal with it if they're able to stay dry which in this scenario is unlikely.

It took Luffy ALONE 11 hours but it wouldn't be Luffy alone attacking him so it wouldn't be 11 hours. How long do you think it would take Luffy to beat a Cracker if he could happen to bypass all the biscuit soldiers seeing as he took him out pretty easy once he actually hit him? Seems to me Law would make that a pretty easy feat.
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You're forgetting that wet Cracker clones still needed a G4 to be eaten :sdo:
 
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LBeezy said:
What was Cracker's weapon of choice?

And brute strength doesn't always mean > slicing
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Irrelevant what's Cracker's weapon of choice, he doesn't need to be the individually superior swordsman. Never said brute strength was above slicing but in terms of power G4 Luffy is above Zoro's paygrade.
 
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Shade Masa said:
Irrelevant what's Cracker's weapon of choice, he doesn't need to be the individually superior swordsman. Never said brute strength was above slicing but in terms of power G4 Luffy is above Zoro's paygrade.
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I agree with G4 Luffy > Zoro


But A > B > C logic doesn't always work in One Piece.


Zoro > Cracker
 
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