Reasons why Madara > Sasuke
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Tauren Chieftain
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Oh, you mean the eye that turned madara into a transvestite?
yeah I don't think so considering kid sasuke more or less forced madara's ass to spam his limbo to prevent him from getting one shotted by sasuke's ameno. don't even bring up rinne-sharingan as if that makes any difference.
proves when sasuke got rinnegan he put madara on the defensive. several of which he was unable to react even w/ senjutsu. Now let's pretend to revive madara for this subject with his dual rinnegan and let's see how this plays out.
edit: before you type out of some ridiculous comment. I'm strictly referring to adult sasuke v DR madara (not jj)
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You're seem to be mistaken. The first time Madara didn't know such a thing was possible in the first place, so it's justified. The second time, with Naruto's cooperation, he lunged into the attack before using Amenotejikara, making it inescapable. Every other time Sasuke has used it against an enemy, he never attacks before teleporting, which is why they can react.
By himself, Amenotejikara is practically useless against Madara. First of all, he knows the distance, so he'd stay away in the first place.
Secondly, even if Sasuke did land a hit with his lunge method, it leaves him directly next to Madara who has equal sensory and speed capabilities to Naruto, making him getting hit by Limbo like Naruto did an inevitability.
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Never suggested sasuke can defeat JJ madara, Would be dumb to compare someone who has just the eyes, while the other has the eyes and body. my point is, without six path senjutsu. there is no way madara can defeat sasuke even w/ limbo. Your response only clarifies that madara is forced to use limbo to keep himself from getting killed by sasuke which is what I was trying to say in the first place. the technique regardless if he thrust first or not is physically undodgable (except kaguya) it's as simple as that. at this point, it just comes down to just six path techniques and refined CQC which adult sasuke should obviously have the advantage in since not even JJ madara could physically react to sasuke's speed.
First of all, it'd be foolish to claim Holy Madara cannot react to Sasuke's speed. He and his shadows have reacted to both Sasuke and Naruto who is faster than Sasuke fine on multiple occasions. That one instance you cling to shows Madara mentally reacting, smiling, and not caring in the slightest as he was focused on something else.
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As for a Rinne Rebirth Madara with both Rinnegan (no Sage Mode I presume?), yes, Sasuke would get an effective first strike due to Madara not having knowledge on the Amenotejikara, but swapping with Limbo would make that damage as if it never happened and Madara would avoid close-range combat thereafter. In light of this, he'd use Wood Style clones and Limbo to fight for him. This provides Madara the advantage since Sasuke cannot tell the difference between clones unlike Madara, and he also has the ability to merge and travel through the terrain due to Wood Style.
In terms of physical abilities, since obviously as proved above, Sasuke is not faster than Holy Madara, there is no truly direct comparison. At best we have
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, where Madara with Sage Mode instead of eyes has no problem dodging EMS Sasuke. It would only be guesswork to determine if the Rinnegan made Sasuke any faster and if he has gotten much faster as an adult, and even more difficult to see how this matches to a Madara with eyes. Because they are so similar, both being transmigrants and having the same eye power, I see no reason why one would be much faster than the other.
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then thats where the battle ends. madara wouldnt be swapping with anything as he would be dead. not to mention what you said makes no sense as the real madara is the one that is struck thus he would still have the damage even if he swaps with limbo. the damage does not magically transfer to the limbo. the only reason why it appreared that way for jj madara is because he could survive both of their attacks, that is not the case here as he doesnt have the juubis healing/immortality. and non-jj madara cant react to ameno regardless of whether he has knowledge or not.
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@ Bold
Say what?
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Smack yourself for saying that.
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Sasuke did sort of the same thing. He put down an army of Sound Ninja without spilling blood or breaking a sweat. And he soloed the Bijuu in a fraction of a second.
Madara can survive most wounds due to Hashirama's DNA, just like Obito survived a stab through the heart by Kakashi. And no, what you said makes no sense. The real one was struck so the damage won't swap? And yet in the manga when the real one was struck, all the sealing, lightning-induced paralysis, and damage swapped.
He can react in some situations just like Shin has. Regardless, it's irrelevant if he stays distant.
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when was that? i only remember kakashi striking his stomach region. and even so, madara cant survive bisection or if he does for a while, he would be in no shape to continue fighting.
the damage didnt swap, madaras jj form simply allowed him heal off whatever effect the paralysis did to him while the limbo took his place. Afterall he swapped almost immediately after being struck so its not like he was taking damage for a long while. he has no such benefits here, if he is struck, he would be fatally wounded so swapping with limbo would do nothing more than prolong the inevitable.
mentally reacting to a katon after sasuke swaps some distance behind you is drastically different from physically reacting if sasuke warps close to you. not comparable
Tauren Chieftain
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Ok I saw couple of your posts so I will cover that.
Bold : Rinne Sharingan allows you to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi that alone beats anyone who don´t have Rinnegan .Now if you read manga properly you will notice that Infinite Tsukuyomi does not only put victims into genjutsu it also allows caster to control all that victims chakra. In that way Madara can replenish his chakra reserves or put that chakra inside his PS to make it even stronger .
Comparing JJ Madara with Rinnegan Sasuke is not fair cause Madara has juubi while Sasuke don´t have. But comparing Rinnegan Sasuke with non JJ Rinnegan Madara is not fair too cause Sasuke got half of Hagoromo power while Madara didn´t.
You do realise that chakra avatars like BM or PS is perfect counter for Ameno. Sasuke can´t teleport Madara without teleporting Susanoo and vice versa. Teleporting user will result in teleporting his avatar.This was clearly shown in Vote 2 when Sasuke teleported himself together with Susanoo. It was also shown when Tobirama used FTG to teleport BM Minato and BM Naruto.Minato and Naruto had mark on themself and teleporting them resulted into teleporting their avatars too.
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You overestimate the speed of Ten-Tails' host regeneration. Here, approximately a minute passes from the first image to the second, and we can see Madara's state does not increase too much. Furthermore, in the third image after about two minutes from the first, he claims to still not have fully recovered.
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I can't possibly see him recovering from an attack like Naruto and Sasuke's completely only after a mere second or two. It's not as if the seal placed on him was locational like Shukaku's or Gaara's; it was actually binded to him. It and the paralysis are as much physical aspects as damage would be, so the only conclusion is that he practically swaps bodies completely.
I'm just saying that Madara can react to Amenotejikara in some situations.
TBH Madara IS above sasuke in everyway because
> kid madara was owning adults, not any adults, adults from the strongest clan (senju) meaning kid madara > kid sasuke
> EMS madara >>> EMS sasuke cuz madara was said be born with powerful chakra, and grew up in an era of war, so that explains his chakra quality/quantity (cuz the more one uses a technique, the more adept he becomes at using it, well madara been fighting for too damn long) sasuke actually needed not only rikudou chakra but a 15year timeskip before his susano reached madara's size (not power but size)
> Gunbai >>> sasuke's kusanagi blade
> Experience and general knowledge also goes to madara (i'm 100% sure sasuke is not smart enough to do what madz did from reviving himself back to life, taking precautions on obito, getting hashi dna etc etc) sasuke aint dumb but he wont do all that
Not gonna talk bout the number of people madara soloed cuz we all know madara soloed more, my point madara was destined to be the strongest uchiha, why? cuz give madara the same powerup sasuke had and he'd be stronger than sasuke in the same state, and give sasuke juubi and no half sage yin power, say he awakens rinnegan himself and gets juubi he will be weaker than juudara, any mode you pick and you give the two the same power madara will be superior. Madara knows everything bout the uchiha clan unlike sasuke, knows the uchiha techniques, the rikudou techniques, summoned the mazou from the moon, has knowledge on 99% of the justsus in existence cuz he encountered almost all etc, madara actually traveled through history and even if you dont wanna give them the same powerup prime madara > prime sasuke
> kid madara was owning adults, not any adults, adults from the strongest clan (senju) meaning kid madara > kid sasuke
> EMS madara >>> EMS sasuke cuz madara was said be born with powerful chakra, and grew up in an era of war, so that explains his chakra quality/quantity (cuz the more one uses a technique, the more adept he becomes at using it, well madara been fighting for too damn long) sasuke actually needed not only rikudou chakra but a 15year timeskip before his susano reached madara's size (not power but size)
> Gunbai >>> sasuke's kusanagi blade
> Experience and general knowledge also goes to madara (i'm 100% sure sasuke is not smart enough to do what madz did from reviving himself back to life, taking precautions on obito, getting hashi dna etc etc) sasuke aint dumb but he wont do all that
Not gonna talk bout the number of people madara soloed cuz we all know madara soloed more, my point madara was destined to be the strongest uchiha, why? cuz give madara the same powerup sasuke had and he'd be stronger than sasuke in the same state, and give sasuke juubi and no half sage yin power, say he awakens rinnegan himself and gets juubi he will be weaker than juudara, any mode you pick and you give the two the same power madara will be superior. Madara knows everything bout the uchiha clan unlike sasuke, knows the uchiha techniques, the rikudou techniques, summoned the mazou from the moon, has knowledge on 99% of the justsus in existence cuz he encountered almost all etc, madara actually traveled through history and even if you dont wanna give them the same powerup prime madara > prime sasuke