Danzo really didn't care about Konoha

[awesomeseimei]

I do remember seeing something where Danzo leaked information about the clan to the other villages in order to give Konoha breathing room during the war, but even if that didn't happen. All the other things that he did stick out like a sore thumb.

I don't think it's the case. At least I'm pretty sure we only know what Kushina said, since no databooks or anything else elaborated upon it.

And yeah, on one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if Danzo was behind it, but on the other, I feel like it would be too much of him being behind everything.

 

[Char Aznable]

I do remember seeing something where Danzo leaked information about the clan to the other villages in order to give Konoha breathing room during the war, but even if that didn't happen. All the other things that he did stick out like a sore thumb.

How do you know the Mist village didn't kill the Uzus? The Mist village is closest geographically to launch a preemptive strike against the Uzus. The Stone, Sand and Cloud are too far away. Plus, we know the Mist hate people with KKG and special abilities. Both the Mist's Yuki Clan (Haku and people with ice KKG) and the Kaguya clan (bone kkg) were wiped for no other reason than they had unnatural abilities.

It makes no sense for Danzo to order the destruction of the Uzu village, when there were shrines to the Uzumaki in Konoha. Plus Hiruzen knew about every dirty thing Danzo did, and never tried to stop him. Danzo is necessary evil, so the Leaf can be clean.

 

[BlacLord™]

Danzo sacrifced himself to protect the Leaf and the Shinobi world from two psycho Uchiha. Itachi would approve.

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Nonsense.

It was all delusions and empty words with him. He might have managed to persuade himself that he was doing it with good intention, but in reality he was just doing it for himself.


At that point, his death was already guaranteed anyway. It wasn't a sacrifice, it was a last-ditch effort to save face.

He was willing to let die, and even kill villagers/allies just to get the position of Hokage - in the end, nothing more than a selfish and greedy old fogy.

 

[Char Aznable]

Nonsense.

It was all delusions and empty words with him. He might have managed to persuade himself that he was doing it with good intention, but in reality he was just doing it for himself.


At that point, his death was already guaranteed anyway. It wasn't a sacrifice, it was a last-ditch effort to save face.

He was willing to let die, and even kill villagers/allies just to get the position of Hokage - in the end, nothing more than a selfish and greedy old fogy.

Danzo is a true shinobi. Not a kid playing ninja in a bright orange jump suit.

 

[Joshutsu]

I think he just had more of a Tobirama approach. But I do believe he cared.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Tobirama may have made some evil jutsu's but I doubt he would have went as far as Danzo did.

Time and time again Danzo showed that only he mattered.

 

[awesomeseimei]

Danzo is a true shinobi. Not a kid playing ninja in a bright orange jump suit.

Eh, I feel like being a true shinobi should fall somewhere between shouting your ideals at everyone and brainwashing kids just to throw their lives away.

There's a difference between being rational and being cynical and distrustful of everyone.

 

[whiteboy2345]

Eh, I feel like being a true shinobi should fall somewhere between shouting your ideals at everyone and brainwashing kids just to throw their lives away.

I dig that yo, I also think that when you're a shinobi you should also be willing to give up everything for everyone else. And if you're a victim of the system that wants justice, you should just give up, that's evil mayne.

 

[Char Aznable]

Eh, I feel like being a true shinobi should fall somewhere between shouting your ideals at everyone and brainwashing kids just to throw their lives away.

There's a difference between being rational and being cynical and distrustful of everyone.

I dig that yo, I also think that when you're a shinobi you should also be willing to give up everything for everyone else. And if you're a victim of the system that wants justice, you should just give up, that's evil mayne.

Shinobi weren't nice people. Danzo, Tobirama, Itachi, Kisame, Zabuza, Nagato, Hanzo, Ibiki, Sai, Anbu Kakashi, Anbu Oro, Anbu Kabuto and adult Sasuke all walked the dark path of a ninja. Moving in the shadows, to protect their village/clans/causes from things that threaten it. None of these people would win popularity contests if the public knew about every dirty deed they committed, but the Shinobi World needs people like them.


Naruto walks the path of the shonen hero. Right next to Goku, Luffy, Ichigo, Aang, Korra and others. Where everyone can get along, and even your worse enemies can become your friends.

 

[awesomeseimei]

Shinobi weren't nice people. Danzo, Tobirama, Itachi, Kisame, Zabuza, Nagato, Hanzo, Ibiki, Sai, Anbu Kakashi, Anbu Oro, Anbu Kabuto and adult Sasuke all walked the dark path of a ninja. Moving in the shadows, to protect their village/clans/causes from things that threaten it. None of these people would win popularity contests if the public knew about every dirty deed they committed, but the Shinobi World needs people like them.


Naruto walks the path of the shonen hero. Right next to Goku, Luffy, Ichigo, Aang, Korra and others. Where everyone can get along, and even your worse enemies can become your friends.

Yeah but again, Danzo took it too far. Especially in terms of only having faith in himself and believing that his, and only his ways are correct. A true leader should keep in mind the needs of their subjects (not in the sense of giving them all hugs, of course), and Danzo had too little regard for the lives of others to do that. There aren't just shinobi in the village, after all.

Not to mention, the whole killing emotions thing isn't right - we have plenty of people in real life who need to have good self-control, but that doesn't make them machines. But that's more of a fault in Kishi's writing though.

 

[whiteboy2345]

You keep talking about how necessary these people are, but when the consequences of their actions roll around. Then all of a sudden the uprising must be neutralized and the system must be preserved, regardless of all the massive flaws and easily avoidable tragedies that it leaves in it's wake.

These so called "heroes within the shadows" only manage to ruin other people for the preservation of their ideals of peace, Madara said it himself. In order to protect peace people will wage war. The idea that everything has an equal and opposite reaction is quite a real thing, but the shinobi world seems to be able to dodge their retribution at every turn.

 

[Nobel]

Danzo did give itachi the right to choose so itachi was not against of wiping out his own clan. Itachi is more heartless and cold-blooded if you ask me. But still that's what i call a excellent shinobi.

 

[whiteboy2345]

If Itachi's persona of a cold-blooded killer capable of betraying his own family is what a true shinobi should be, then Kawaki's ambitions are justified in my opinion. What kind of shitty world is that? Why would anyone live like that?

This only proved Obito's point when he told Naruto it was meaningless to stop him and Madara, and that someone else from their side would try to do exactly what he was doing then.

 

[NarutoX28]

I think he just had more of a Tobirama approach. But I do believe he cared.

Except for the fact that he didn't deliberately attempt to install himself as the Hokage as the pretext for inexcusably sacrificing the majority of citizens within Konoha. Tobirama was a stern individual with rigid policies, but his wasn't nearly as ignoble and dastardly as Danzo.

 

[NarutoX28]

Danzo did give itachi the right to choose so itachi was not against of wiping out his own clan. Itachi is more heartless and cold-blooded if you ask me. But still that's what i call a excellent shinobi.

He hesitated the instant he had to kill his parents and was more concerned about hearing his parent's sentiment rather than killing them willingly. Being a cold-blooded killer is not a representation of an excellent shinobi, but an excellent shinobi should be capable of stifling their intrusive thoughts and feelings when tasked with killing someone who can put their village in grave danger. Itachi was an excellent shinobi not because he was a cold-blooded killer (Zabuza was, but he was conceited and condemned by the Hidden mist), but because Itachi's mentality was that of a Hokage, being capable of managing his emotions properly while also acting upon a specific and emotional task if necessary no matter what that entailed, all for the safety of Konoha and the greater good.

 

[Nobel]

He hesitated the instant he had to kill his parents and was more concerned about hearing his parent's sentiment rather than killing them willingly. Being a cold-blooded killer is not a representation of an excellent shinobi, but an excellent shinobi should be capable of stifling their intrusive thoughts and feelings when tasked with killing someone who can put their village in grave danger. Itachi was an excellent shinobi not because he was a cold-blooded killer (Zabuza was, but he was conceited and condemned by the Hidden mist), but because Itachi's mentality was that of a Hokage, being capable of managing his emotions properly while also acting upon a specific and emotional task if necessary no matter what that entailed, all for the safety of Konoha and the greater good.

No, itachi doesnt necessary have to think like a hokage to be a excellent shinobi. Just having the colours of what defines a the shinobi nature is what i meant, he killed his entire clan(children included) in a flash and still carried his duties as anbu of konoha later on. He is indeed a shinobi prodigy but also a special uchiha of delicate skill.

Shisui on the other hand "could" possibly be more cold-blooded considering he was the one who was like itachi's true teacher. Off-topic question:, why did itachi never inform shisui about obito? He could have asked shisui to manipulate obito via KA.

 

[NarutoX28]

No, itachi doesnt necessary have to think like a hokage to be a excellent shinobi. Just having the colours of what defines a the shinobi nature is what i meant, he killed his entire clan(children included) in a flash and still carried his duties as anbu of konoha later on. He is indeed a shinobi prodigy but also a special uchiha of delicate skill.

Shisui on the other hand "could" possibly be more cold-blooded considering he was the one who was like itachi's true teacher. Off-topic question:, why did itachi never inform shisui about obito? He could have asked shisui to manipulate obito via KA.

Sure, but the premise that Itachi was an excellent shinobi because he was cold-blooded killer is wrong for reasons I've already stated.

Itachi never informed Shisui about Obito because wasting KA on Obito wouldn't have accomplished anything and would've inhibited Itachi's ability in eradicating the Uchiha clan since even Sasuke knew that Itachi was ill-prepared for that task on his own and needed Obito's power to accomplish that. If he uses KA on Obito, then there's still the entire coup to deal with and when Itachi encountered Obito could've been well after Shisui's death as well.

 

[Nobel]

Sure, but the premise that Itachi was an excellent shinobi because he was cold-blooded killer is wrong for reasons I've already stated.

Itachi never informed Shisui about Obito because wasting KA on Obito wouldn't have accomplished anything and would've inhibited Itachi's ability in eradicating the Uchiha clan since even Sasuke knew that Itachi was ill-prepared for that task on his own and needed Obito's power to accomplish that. If he uses KA on Obito, then there's still the entire coup to deal with and when Itachi encountered Obito could've been well after Shisui's death as well.

Itachi sensed his presence long before the coup so he investigated him more closely and identified him as madara. But i mean since as an anbu of konoha, it's his duty to protect it from enemies such as madara. Obito was even afraid of itachi, he said that konoha was "off-limits" because of him. Was it obito who used itachi or the other way?

 

[whiteboy2345]

What would be the point in wasting KA on Obito, it wasn't worth despite it's usefulness in the future. They really should have used it on Danzo.

The whole massacre could have been avoided if Danzo wasn't so power-hungry and envious of the Uchiha Clan's power.

 

[Nobel]

What would be the point in wasting KA on Obito, it wasn't worth despite it's usefulness in the future. They really should have used it on Danzo.

The whole massacre could have been avoided if Danzo wasn't so power-hungry and envious of the Uchiha Clan's power.

What would be the point? Huh, maybe that would stop him from starting the 4th world war in the future? And if the uchiha knew that madara is alive then things might have gotten different.

But there is really no point in discussing that i suppose.