You are right, but don't you mean the Fourth Hokage when you say "Madara lost to the First and Third?" As well as the section where you say he had "his plans ruined many times (by his own clan, the First, the Third, and Pain's betrayal)?"
can you give me an example of a post that you found to be "absurd" to your vast knowledge of naruto?
Maybe that ninja isn't Madara, then; perhaps it's Kabuto. I think he will be much more feared now with his new powers. Every time Madara has tried to make his plans realized, he's been stopped each time. And of course it's going to happen again. I agree with you, he should put his enemies in a position where they are the brink of losing hope, which is their fuel that keeps them all driving with determination.
I agree with you, that Madara has not yet completed his Moon's Eye Plan, nor has he won this war he has started, but do you think that Madara has better chances in this conflict since Minato is dead? He would have been a major threat to Akatsuki and its goals, but since he already died sixteen years ago, somehow I feel as if those night's events might pay off, even if they went awry. I understand that Naruto is now Madara's next biggest threat, but he has Sasuke for when the time comes, if he isn't betrayed. What do you think?
That's what i don't really understand. Why would madara take so many actions eventually leading to kage's summit and offering a deal which they would obviously refuse. Even at the meeting, there wasn't much trust among the kages and they were very hesitated to unite. He could instead, plan to ignite more of a mistrust or perhaps even a fight between them. But he shows up and say "hi guise, i'll do ridicilous offers to you, so you can go and unite against me, i like it the harder way, oh and if my intentions are not enough to make you unite against me, i hereby declare a war openly".
Hey man nothing is wrong if you fave Madara man. We all have faves people are now saying Tobirama seems stronger than his brother its a never ending debate on favorism in the end.
It certainly is. Sometimes it gets out of hand, and we all just have to remember not to pass the boundaries of fair discussion, when possible. But yes, Tobirama seems very powerful now, since we've gotten information recently that he knows how to perform space-time techniques. I wonder, if Hashirama and Tobirama were to fight, who would win? It would be quite difficult to say. What are your thoughts?
So what do you think his actual goal is? If it isn't the Moon's Eye Plan, which is a very satisfying plan (to some) if accomplished, then it should be something of equal gain, and the Moon's Eye Plan's is enormous - putting the entire world in a genjutsu, making it yours? What other plan could Madara have in his mind?
There should be no problem about having a favorite character. Most people didn't like the way you presented your points. You have seemed to change that. Anyone who bashes someone because of their favorite character needs to go F*** themself. U_U
I honestly have no idea. The plan just doesn't fit with what we have found out about the "real" madara, or at least the one who doesn't wear a mask. I am not doubting it is him, only doubting him being truthful. He is a character who from the beginning of the leaf village has been all about revenge. He has gotten his revenge on the Uchiha clan, but I doubt that is all he wants revenge for. The moon's eye plan just doesn't fit for me. Maybe he really does want the Juubi, but I can't see him wanting it for that. I do not have any kind of fact to back me up(or very little), but I just don't believe it.
Maybe the Moon's Eye Plan isn't Madara real goal. But if it isn't, then Kishimoto needs to explain all over again as to why Madara is collecting the tailed beasts. But you have brought up an interesting point - Madara has been known to manipulate and lie; could he be doing the same thing by telling the five Kages his "plan" so as to drive fear into their hearts, and begin a war for another, deeper purpose? Very interesting, to say the least.
To me it's not sounded that way. If you think it still sounded that way after the above, then it's your opinion and you are entitled to have it, whatever it may be.
So you are admitting that you made a mistake saying Minato knew more techs than the ones he showed well that's a good start. Anyways about who is the strongest character in the series well it definitely is the Sage of the Six Paths and most probably at the end of the manga Naruto will surpass him or become as strong as him by somehow defeating or becoming the new Jinchuuriki of the Juubi.
Actually when Minato told Naruto "back then he saw through everything I did" I was quite sure that Madara overpowered him but there was still a chance of something different happening so I wasn't fully sure. When at the start of their fight I was actually getting the feeling that somehow Minato will win though Madara had planned everything so it was looking that Madara would win until Minato used FTG level 2 which Madara never expected. So in one way the victory for Minato was a huge one considering Madara had planned how to fight Minato and all that. So now after knowing what happened I think what Minato meant was that Minato never fought someone who was able to counter his space time techs like that plus being an Uchiha that's what concerned Minato and that's why Minato sealed the Kyuubi knowing that its power will help his son beat Madara.
I was thinking the same thing. Thanks for letting me know your thoughts.
