[Discussion] Do you wish there was a God?

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If it takes a thread on a forum such as this for you to realize something important about yourself that you never realized before, you don't do nearly enough deep thinking.

I only meant to offer some tough love. I'm a loser myself, so it hurts me to see that so many of you guys are also losers.

I wouldn't wish my misery and dissatisfaction with life on anyone, yet you guys are just asking for it by wasting your precious time discussing such a fruitless topic.

Whatever you talk about on this thread will not have a positively lasting effect.

Next thing you know, you'll be on a Sakura-hate thread and that'll be that.

Think you got the wrong idea. Doesn't matter where, As long as something trigger that "Deep thinking" process, You're experiencing life. Even if it have a negetive outcome, It is an experience.

Besides, I rather come across more threads like this than about Naruto vs Sasuke all the time.

You said we're wasting our precious time with these type of threads, yet, You wasting precious time by just being on this site where it mostly about people D-riding Naruto and Sasuke.
 

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OP: Do you wish there was a god?

Theist Anon: What do you mean wish? There already is a god
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Atheist Anon: No there isn't
random comment
Theist Anon: Yes there is!
Atheist Anon: Ur mums a c**t!


Flamewar insues
 

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OP: Do you wish there was a god?

Theist Anon: What do you mean wish? There already is a god
random comment
Atheist Anon: No there isn't
random comment
Theist Anon: Yes there is!
Atheist Anon: Ur mums a c**t!


Flamewar insues

See? Wasn't that fun? Totally worth it.
 

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If the God(s) were actually active then ya sure why not
 

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Ah, so you don't like people being punished forever. Very true. There's a very popular theory that time in hell is similar to jail time. Depending on your sins you could be in there for a very long time, but relative to how long you'd been there how long would you notice? Then finally you could be free! Wouldn't that be nice?

The thing I wonder the most about is should someone be punished even for 100 years by "god" when a lot of their personality/decisions isn't fully up to them. E.G someone born in a 3rd world country who received little to no education may make more moral mistakes as they were not raised properly, however, it's not their fault that they were born in their situation.

If the answer is no, people should be judged individually, then I ask why not just give everyone an equal playing field when they are born instead of making things so complicated?
 

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The thing I wonder the most about is should someone be punished even for 100 years by "god" when a lot of their personality/decisions isn't fully up to them. E.G someone born in a 3rd world country who received little to no education may make more moral mistakes as they were not raised properly, however, it's not their fault that they were born in their situation.

If the answer is no, people should be judged individually, then I ask why not just give everyone an equal playing field when they are born instead of making things so complicated?

I wish I could give you an answer that would satisfy you. But I'm not God, and so I can't. I can question God all I like, but I may never like his answer. Maybe I'm not meant to. I can just obey and hope He and His Son are merciful to all as I hope mercy will be shown to me.
 

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Nope. Dude'd be a **** for watching this shitshow happen.

If he had an active hand in preventing evil shit, then yeah, that's lit.

I don't know about others' but to make a negative statement about the God I believe in is to spiral to incoherence. Keep in mind that the OP asked about God in a very broad way.

Interesting. I think... I wouldn't mind in there being a god however I would he against the idea of there being hell and heaven and punishing people for eternity. The reason for this is because there are so many factors that we can't control that mold us e.g environment,genetics,life events that I don't think in most cases blame should be put on one person who lived as little as (average) 70 years where they are punished for ETERNITY.
Assuming there is a God or even constructing a possible world in which there was a God I don't think it would make sense (in those circumstances) to worry about the culpability of the sinners for if a certain notion of God were to be true, and this notion of God were just, it would follow as a matter of necessity that there be grounds on which it would be fair enough for our being rewarded/punishable.

A side note to make is that you seem to be stuck at a concept of Newtonian time (I say this because you're weighting 70 years of time to eternity, implied to mean infinite amount of time), but I'd say this accusation is well out-dated if we were to make a distinction between a limitless continuity and an ever-lasting moment.

God killed 2.3 million people in the bible and allowed the devil to kill 10 people in the bible. Yet...wanna call Devil evil for letting us acknowledge our free will. The God that people believe that exist is nothing more than a walking contradiction being!

It would be best that people stop putting their faith in God and put that Faith in themselves. Find true inner peace.

That's a pretty shallow reading of it. You are entitled to your opinion ofc, but you'd be wise to acknowledge alternate views on the subject which do well to challenge your own. Mine for example would do this quite effectively (even dismantle it really) by proposing that free will was never a hidden matter and that the devil did an insourmauntable evil for alluring mankind to use their free will to disobey God.

On this view even if God were guilty of countless genocides and what not (an idea to which I do not subscribe) it still wouldn't be anywhere near as evil as the devil's acts. This is all ofcourse assuming that God were a subject to some external moral standard rather than being a moral standard in his own being, which I consider a far more worthy theory.

In refference to your last sentence all I have to say is that these 2 aren't mutually exclusive but the latter follows logically from the former for in putting one's trust in God who aims for that which is the best for one, one is also putting his bets on the most worthwile thing there is.

Sorry, but religious threads shouldn't be allowed. Nothing good ever comes out of 'em.

Religion has always and will always be a hot topic, being that God and the afterlife cannot be proven or disproven.

So it's better to not even talk about it imo

Indeed, they shouldn't be allowed. Not because nothing good can come of them (I myself have witnessed nice things resulting from them) but because these good things are greatly overshadowed by the negative attitudes that are typical on this forum. So I wouldn't say there's an intristic negativity in these topics, but would instead blame the enviroment in which they are discussed.

Religion prevents people from finding their best version of their self.

I hate how people think their God is the right one and all other Gods are fake, when all those other Gods had helped some of those people get through dark times or gave him false hope.

I hate that people who sell their soul to the bible refuse to read any philosophy books or any books that about life without God mentioned in it.

I hate how people are quick to list it as the devil's work when it something unknown and don't feel right. Those people to need to realize maybe they don't have the proper knowledge to comphrend the unknown!

I also hate how religion people say Knowledge are bad and a waste of time!

Stupid ass people!

Religion prevents people from finding their true self in as much as alchohol poses a negative influence on them. The secret is in how you use it, or so I would say. It's a fluke on your side to try to paste a moral claim such as this on a concept so broad and general such as religion. (Even more so when the discussed topic here isn't at all religion but whether one would like there to be a God.)

Comfort can be found in any idea, regardless of it's truth. I could find comfort in believing Santa Claus is real but this wouldn't make my belief true. Instead of comfort I'd advise deploying the use of logic and reason in establishing the truth of one's beliefs.

Having said the bold, I (as a religious person) have cast doubt on your claim that people devoted to a scripture like Bible are close minded. You'd be better off not generalising so much.

Not god, but i wish there existed real purpose and meaning.

Would God not grant this very thing? Not saying the concept holds exclusive right to it but I think it does well to do it justice.

OT: Yes, if God isn't real, then it would be my greatest fantasy that He is.
 

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Nope. Dude'd be a **** for watching this shitshow happen.

If he had an active hand in preventing evil shit, then yeah, that's lit.
I agree.
A "god" who doesn't immediately bust all evil people like balloons can crawl back into its book of fairytales.
 

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If you don't believe in any sort of deity,
Oh, this thread is not for me *walks out* :eek:uttahere:

[SUB]Anyway it's not a matter of wishful thinking, but if I didn't already believe in God, guess it'd be cool to have deities like in Japanese animes :whip: [/SUB]
 

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He hasn't given me the million dollars I wished for when I was 13, so he can crucify himself right in front of me and I still wouldn't give a ****. Matter fact... I'd be the one to do it and pierce his chest with a sword.
 

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I don't know about others' but to make a negative statement about the God I believe in is to spiral to incoherence. Keep in mind that the OP asked about God in a very broad way.


Assuming there is a God or even constructing a possible world in which there was a God I don't think it would make sense (in those circumstances) to worry about the culpability of the sinners for if a certain notion of God were to be true, and this notion of God were just, it would follow as a matter of necessity that there be grounds on which it would be fair enough for our being rewarded/punishable.

A side note to make is that you seem to be stuck at a concept of Newtonian time (I say this because you're weighting 70 years of time to eternity, implied to mean infinite amount of time), but I'd say this accusation is well out-dated if we were to make a distinction between a limitless continuity and an ever-lasting moment.



That's a pretty shallow reading of it. You are entitled to your opinion ofc, but you'd be wise to acknowledge alternate views on the subject which do well to challenge your own. Mine for example would do this quite effectively (even dismantle it really) by proposing that free will was never a hidden matter and that the devil did an insourmauntable evil for alluring mankind to use their free will to disobey God.

On this view even if God were guilty of countless genocides and what not (an idea to which I do not subscribe) it still wouldn't be anywhere near as evil as the devil's acts. This is all ofcourse assuming that God were a subject to some external moral standard rather than being a moral standard in his own being, which I consider a far more worthy theory.

In refference to your last sentence all I have to say is that these 2 aren't mutually exclusive but the latter follows logically from the former for in putting one's trust in God who aims for that which is the best for one, one is also putting his bets on the most worthwile thing there is.



Indeed, they shouldn't be allowed. Not because nothing good can come of them (I myself have witnessed nice things resulting from them) but because these good things are greatly overshadowed by the negative attitudes that are typical on this forum. So I wouldn't say there's an intristic negativity in these topics, but would instead blame the enviroment in which they are discussed.



Religion prevents people from finding their true self in as much as alchohol poses a negative influence on them. The secret is in how you use it, or so I would say. It's a fluke on your side to try to paste a moral claim such as this on a concept so broad and general such as religion. (Even more so when the discussed topic here isn't at all religion but whether one would like there to be a God.)

Comfort can be found in any idea, regardless of it's truth. I could find comfort in believing Santa Claus is real but this wouldn't make my belief true. Instead of comfort I'd advise deploying the use of logic and reason in establishing the truth of one's beliefs.

Having said the bold, I (as a religious person) have cast doubt on your claim that people devoted to a scripture like Bible are close minded. You'd be better off not generalising so much.



Would God not grant this very thing? Not saying the concept holds exclusive right to it but I think it does well to do it justice.

OT: Yes, if God isn't real, then it would be my greatest fantasy that He is.


what exact purpose would the existence of god create? All it would encourage is people to act more to the terms of gods doctrine so people could goto heaven. You would essentially be in a constant state of self deception.
 

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Step back, watch things happen, but let the presence be known.
 

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what exact purpose would the existence of god create? All it would encourage is people to act more to the terms of gods doctrine so people could goto heaven. You would essentially be in a constant state of self deception.

Exact purpose? Well, how about the most obvious one, the purpose of life is to gain knowledge of God and through His mercy recieve salvation and eternal union with Him. That's a pretty common view and as absolute of a purpose as there can be. I don't really think you're using the word "self-deception" correctly here as it doesn't really relate to a hypothetical world in which God is...
 

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Exact purpose? Well, how about the most obvious one, the purpose of life is to gain knowledge of God and through His mercy recieve salvation and eternal union with Him. That's a pretty common view and as absolute of a purpose as there can be. I don't really think you're using the word "self-deception" correctly here as it doesn't really relate to a hypothetical world in which God is...

sounds shitty to me, but what i meant was that if we knew god existed and could only enter his kingdom by following his rules people would be defying their own natural instincts and instead following gods rule. Essentially it would be an invisible blackmail
 

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sounds shitty to me, but what i meant was that if we knew god existed and could only enter his kingdom by following his rules people would be defying their own natural instincts and instead following gods rule. Essentially it would be an invisible blackmail

Well, how it sounds to you will stay a matter of your taste unless you can explain why it's "shitty". If you think eternal bliss is lame well, I don't know what kind of purpose you'd like.

And no, that's not self-deception, that's just weighing the odds and choosing the option that "pays better". Be that as it may though, I have illustrated clearly that the notion of such a God would indeed present an absolute, objective purpose to human life thus answering your question.
 

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I agree.
A "god" who doesn't immediately bust all evil people like balloons can crawl back into its book of fairytales.

Life isn’t perfect, but how can you say for sure that God doesn’t prevent bad events from happening?

For example, let’s say you were actually supposed to die today in a terrible accident or health incident, but God prevented it. You wouldn’t be able to recognize the protection given to you, since God prevented the situation in the first place.

For every day that there isn’t a major tragedy in our lives, how can you say that there wasn’t a tragedy that God actually prevented?

I’m curious to see what people here think about this.
 

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No, because there is a God.
 
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