Momo is stronger than Kaguya.

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Momoshiki got defeated with the same strategy Naruto used against Zabuza to free Kakashi from the water prison in the beginning of the manga.Momo's battle skill is part 1 level.
Ash bones + space time portals=bye bye Momo, even in economy mode like she was against team 7.
She feared something or someone else.
 

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I don't really get you. It was a straight battle between his lava avatar and kurama + PS fusion. There wasn't a chance to absorb anything,so why bring that up? and @bold doesn't even make sense. How would he be able to absorb a technique that's powerful and send it back weaker when he's capable of absorbing it in the first place.

Momoshiki absorption and reflection is just his rinnegan tech and may or may not depend on how powerful his chakra is. His chakra doesn't need to be stronger the chakra he wants to absorb and reflect. It could be similar to full counter in nnt in which the user magic doesn't need to be more powerful than the magic the full counter user wants to reflect.

Tbh,the only difficulty I can see momishiki having with his absorption is the magnitude of what he wants to absorb.

Not what I meant. Momoshiki stores the technique itself and fires it at them with his own chakra. However, the technique can only be used once until he stores it again. Something weak like the elements Boruto fired at him with that weapon were amplified considerably since he uses his own chakra to fire them back. Otherwise, the elements would've remained with the same power. He stored a Rasengan and used his own chakra to fire it back and as a result, it came out black.

The possible reason why he can't store chakra avatars might be because they're not something that could be fired back. It's either that or thise avatars simply might've been too powerful (Not sure of this since I don't remember the novel mentioning this) If he stores something with chakra as powerful as his, then the technique will come out the same unless he pours more chakra into it compared to his opponent. If the technique he stores has a quality of chakra superior to his, it will come out weaker unless he pours more chakra into that technique to make up for the difference.

With Kaguya, that won't happen. The quality of chakra she has is superior to his (though not by alot) and she has far more chakra than him (which makes the difference here since the more chakra she has, the stronger she'll be, and her techniques will be amplified further).


I'm gonna read up more on the turning others into chakra fruit though. I don't remember much from that
 
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If we consider the differences between Kaguya and Momoshiki, I think that we can understand who is stronger.

First, their apparent castes. Kaguya has in all iterations always been depicted as a princess. A princess who became elevated to the station of goddess, put a princess nonetheless. As such, Kaguya would have spent most of her days doing nothing physical, or straining in anyway. She would have no combat training, and truly no need for it, as princesses would be as far away from battle as possible (until castle siege, at which point her life becomes forfeit.) Her rise to power was truly only possible because her species (lets not pretend that Otsutsuki are human) was more advanced than humans (natural, if not able to be accessed byakugan, energy outbursts, knowledge of a tree that would turn one into a god). Eating the chakra fruit turned her into a conduit of at that point unknown energy. She elevated from princess to goddess without having to know how to draw a bow string.

On the other hand, Momoshiki and his partner Kinshiki were depicted as, nobles perhaps, but fighters for sure (their style of dress, training with weapons, etc.) Momoshiki, as a noble male, would have military training and access to more records than a princess. Kinshiki at some point claimed that their powers were ones that they handed down through generations to both preserve it, and also to add it to the next generations base power, strengthening exponentially each hand down. But we are never truly shown them devouring or mentioning having devoured an ACTUAL chakra fruit. He turned Kinshiki into a chakra peach, but this was not something that came from a god tree. This might explain why Kaguya had a rinnesharingan, the peak of that power, while Momoshiki only ever had rinnegan.

In a fight Momoshiki would have the advantage of combat training, tactics, and his rinnegan granted abilities/generational chakra from Kinshiki. Kaguya would have the advantage of being an existence that is solely chakra based. As the mother of chakra, she was able to create a symbiote that acted autonomously but solely for her will, receive and absorb any chakra based attack if given long enough exposure to it (bijuu, amaterasu), with added byakugan and space-time control bonuses. With all this, Kaguya still feared Momoshiki.

The key to this fight was mentioned in the above paragraph. KUROZETSU is the only reason Kaguya would be able to defeat Momoshiki. First, he is an existence that has recorded the entirety of shinobi history. If given enough time to show Kaguya this history (something he planned to do anyway) she would be invincible. She would know of, and therefore be able to replicate any technique. But Momoshiki absorbs techniques? Not if Kaguya used the military knowledge Kurozetsu recorded to instill tactics to her shirozetsu soldiers. They were to be used as fodder regardless, all she would need is one of many shiro zetsu to damage that right hand rinnegan (like Boruto did) and Momoshiki would taken to a different dimension, then be destroyed via the creation of a new dimension (Kaguya's chou gudou dama).

In other words, if Kaguya defeated Naruto and company and had the many years in-between then and when Momoshiki eventually appeared in the canon, she would be more than prepared to defeat Momoshiki. What do you think?
 

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If we consider the differences between Kaguya and Momoshiki, I think that we can understand who is stronger.

First, their apparent castes. Kaguya has in all iterations always been depicted as a princess. A princess who became elevated to the station of goddess, put a princess nonetheless. As such, Kaguya would have spent most of her days doing nothing physical, or straining in anyway. She would have no combat training, and truly no need for it, as princesses would be as far away from battle as possible (until castle siege, at which point her life becomes forfeit.) Her rise to power was truly only possible because her species (lets not pretend that Otsutsuki are human) was more advanced than humans (natural, if not able to be accessed byakugan, energy outbursts, knowledge of a tree that would turn one into a god). Eating the chakra fruit turned her into a conduit of at that point unknown energy. She elevated from princess to goddess without having to know how to draw a bow string.

On the other hand, Momoshiki and his partner Kinshiki were depicted as, nobles perhaps, but fighters for sure (their style of dress, training with weapons, etc.) Momoshiki, as a noble male, would have military training and access to more records than a princess. Kinshiki at some point claimed that their powers were ones that they handed down through generations to both preserve it, and also to add it to the next generations base power, strengthening exponentially each hand down. But we are never truly shown them devouring or mentioning having devoured an ACTUAL chakra fruit. He turned Kinshiki into a chakra peach, but this was not something that came from a god tree. This might explain why Kaguya had a rinnesharingan, the peak of that power, while Momoshiki only ever had rinnegan.

In a fight Momoshiki would have the advantage of combat training, tactics, and his rinnegan granted abilities/generational chakra from Kinshiki. Kaguya would have the advantage of being an existence that is solely chakra based. As the mother of chakra, she was able to create a symbiote that acted autonomously but solely for her will, receive and absorb any chakra based attack if given long enough exposure to it (bijuu, amaterasu), with added byakugan and space-time control bonuses. With all this, Kaguya still feared Momoshiki.

The key to this fight was mentioned in the above paragraph. KUROZETSU is the only reason Kaguya would be able to defeat Momoshiki. First, he is an existence that has recorded the entirety of shinobi history. If given enough time to show Kaguya this history (something he planned to do anyway) she would be invincible. She would know of, and therefore be able to replicate any technique. But Momoshiki absorbs techniques? Not if Kaguya used the military knowledge Kurozetsu recorded to instill tactics to her shirozetsu soldiers. They were to be used as fodder regardless, all she would need is one of many shiro zetsu to damage that right hand rinnegan (like Boruto did) and Momoshiki would taken to a different dimension, then be destroyed via the creation of a new dimension (Kaguya's chou gudou dama).

In other words, if Kaguya defeated Naruto and company and had the many years in-between then and when Momoshiki eventually appeared in the canon, she would be more than prepared to defeat Momoshiki. What do you think?
Good post. I'm not sure if kaguya really was a princess(considering the sage tablet got tampered with but she could be) but seeing as how she had royalty styled clothing and was the otsutsuki leader. This is believable, however i thought the same applied to momoshiki but you said nobles had military training(at least, in real life i presume)? That is quite odd if he did, since his character is supposed to be built on taking others powers instead of training. I do agree kaguya would win.
 
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Good post. I'm not sure if kaguya really was a princess(considering the sage tablet got tampered with but she could be) but seeing as how she had royalty styled clothing and was the otsutsuki leader. This is believable, however i thought the same applied to momoshiki but you said nobles had military training(at least, in real life i presume)? That is quite odd if he did, since his character is supposed to be built on taking others powers instead of training. I do agree kaguya would win.

I agree that Momoshiki's MO was taking other's powers to limit the need for training, but that does not eliminate the probability of him ever having trained before. He handled himself well enough to not be immediately overwhelmed by more than two enemies in taijutsu, and he was also able to sufficiently defend himself from Sasuke's swordsmanship. This demonstrates at least a level of militant competency. Also with Kinshiki as a retainer, Momoshiki was sure to have learned some things. If we compare him to Boruto, it is not that Boruto LACKED training, but rather that he was walking down the path of never having to train anymore to acquire techniques. This was always solely about never having to work for ninjutsu again (you cannot seal a konoha senpuu into a ninja scroll.)

As for nobility having military training, it would often be superficial (such as current nobles being in the armed forces.)
 

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Kaguya would win because she is immortal and can only be beatin with the six paths seal.
 

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the difference in the two is just chakra,,, they both from same clan so guess its a draw. kaguya had all chakra tree (10 tails ) in her so could do crazy jutsu. momo needs chakra from bijuu and people to do jutsu. if momo had tree in him its a different story. seed bed remember
 

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Guys, guys. Chill momo was there just to give a starting point for Boruto. No more no less. Don't bother yourselves with a sloppy plot device.
 

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Kaguya was scared because Momoshiki's abilities could neutralize her own, not because he was supposedly stronger.
 

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if naruto could use all the tailed beast chakra like he did against kaguya he stomps momo himself
 
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