[Predictions] Naruto Manga 505 Discussion and 506 Predictions

[yondaimeminato]

No, we have seen the extent of his power. We've seen Minato in action using his Flying Thunder God technique, the Summoning Technique, the Rasengan (against Madara, for example), a space-time barrier technique, a Contract Seal, and we've seen use various sealing techniques. Such was the extent of Minato's powers up until his death. If Minato were to live longer, he would have gone very far, but that in itself is an assumption - we cannot know for sure.

But one thing I don't agree with is your statement about the Moon's Eye Plan. You mean to tell me, that Madara, who has been said to "know everything," according to the Fifth Mizukage, is working towards a goal that has been a failure from the start? That seems extremely unlikely to me. Madara has an incredibly vast knowledge of his world - why wouldn't he know that Minato divided the fox's chakra into two, one part having sealed into Naruto, and the other with himself? You can't just write Madara off by saying "he doesn't know;" if he didn't, then the series is not that interesting anymore. That means all the manga readers, according to your logic, now know that Madara's plan will not suceed. What are we expecting then? It seems more than likely that Madara does know, and perhaps in a flashback of sort it will be revealed exactly how he has figured it out.

can you tell me that the seals minato used were all the seals he learned from kushina? No, you can not. Plus there is his affinity. He was trying to take the rasengan to whole different level by doing what kakashi and yamato told naruto to do. This means that minato had his own affinity. Just in this, I have shown you that we don't know the full extent of minato's power yet because we don't know enough about him.

Just because the fifth hokage said that masked man/tobi/madara knows everything doesnt mean that madara saw what minato did that night. You can't show me madara witnessing what minato did when he sealed half of the nine tail demon fox into naruto. You can only assume to your own advantage that he knows what minato did that night. Plus minato is linked with his seal marks in some way because he can choose which seal he wants to appear on and how. Madara was tagged with this seal mark so I don't think minato would be careless as to explain to kushina what he was going to do out in the field and do the process while madara was still there. He would have known that madara would be there. This is why naruto is going to be very long.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

Can you provide proof that we have seen the full extent of Minato's powers?

Up until Minato's death, below are all the techniques he knew that are shown in the manga.

Contract Seal

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Dead Demon Consuming Seal

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Eight Trigrams Sealing Style

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Flying Thunder God Technique

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Four Symbols Seal

Is used as part of the Eight Trigrams Sealing Style, which helps Naruto access the Nine-Tailed Fox's chakra.

Rasengan

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Space-Time Barrier

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Summoning Technique

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Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique

Is used along with the Summoning Technique displayed above.

These are all the techniques Minato knew; I have shown you proof that this is the extent of his power. But for Madara, we know that he had an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (and whether he still has it is unclear), and thus we do not know what powers it gave him, as Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan will give him. That's why you can't judge Madara's power because we haven't seen the entirety of it. But for Minato, we can, since he has displayed each technique he knows, directly in battle. What do you think?

 

[yondaimeminato]

Minato was fooled by Madara. How can you say that he wasn't when Madara took Kushina away to extract the Nine-Tails, and Minato did not a single thing about it? Although Minato was not interested in who the masked man was, he both did and did not defeat him that night. During their one-on-one battle, Minato won, I agree, but Madara clearly came away the victor in terms of the war, not the battle. Madara's actions forced Minato to give up his life, this you must admit. You might say that Minato sacrificed himself to save the village, but he did it because Madara was too powerful otherwise. Although Madara's objective is not complete as of yet, back then his goal was to destroy Konoha; now it is to revive the Jubi, so which objective are you referring to?

Minato heard Jiraiya talk about this child of prophesy and a man would be a revolutionary to ninja world. Minato believed that this man was the one who fought that night and he believe that his son was the child of prophesy. He believe that the one who should stop this revolutionary man should be his son and not him. This is another important reason why minato sealed the nine tail demon fox into naruto.

Madara threatened to kill his born child if he did anything to save kushina. Then he forced minato to use his FTG in order to save his child. I know minato is powerful but he is not God to have prevented that situation. Then madara did something so that minato would take long to get to him because madara said that he managed to get away from minato but not for a long time.

Yes, you can't judge a person's strength simply by the amount of time they have lived, but for all the years Madara has been alive generations of ninja praised his power, Minato included. That clearly indicates Madara is a powerful ninja, one who is not to be taken lightly. Like I have said, Minato won the battle, but lost the war. If you think that everything went right for Minato that night, then you are severely mistaken. He could not protect his wife, he could not stop all the casualties during the attack, he could not stop the village from being damaged, he could not kill Madara, and the only way to stop the Nine-Tails was to have both Minato and Kushina die. I would say that Konoha lost more on that night than Madara. He lost the Nine-Tailed Fox, which is an annoyance, but he still kept his identity hidden and his plans weren't permanently ruined. Besides, what Madara lost can be retained; what Konoha lost cannot.

Madara hasn't won the war yet. You said that his objective was to destroy konoha but konoha wasn't destroy. To destroy konoha, he would have had to kill everyone and destroy everything about konoha. Why do you think itachi said that madara/mask man/tobi was stopped by the fourth when he tried to destroy konoha. This means that madara did not succeed in destroying konoha.

Yes people died during that night but once again Minato IS NOT GOD. I am sure if minato were to be attacking konoha and madara defending konoha from minato, couple of people would have died as well.

Both Minato and Madara won and lost sixteen years ago, but I think for the victory Minato had that night he paid a greater price. He was the Fourth Hokage, and thus responsible for everyone in the village. Only could he save the village by making his son the host of the Nine-Tails, growing up hated by just about everyone, and at the cost of his life and his wife's. Besides, if you've noticed, Madara does not seem to be affected at all by how things played out at the time of Naruto's birth. He still is continuing with his plans, and so far no one is doing anything to stop him. Soon they will be, however.

What's madara's major objective right now? It's to comple his Moon Eye Plan. Has madara completed the Moon's eye Plan yet? No. So the war still continues because minato left his legacy to naruto.

A pyrrhic victory, that is what Minato and the rest of the village experienced that night. Should such a thing happen again, Konoha will be destroyed as we know it.

 

[yondaimeminato]

Up until Minato's death, below are all the techniques he knew that are shown in the manga.

Contract Seal

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Dead Demon Consuming Seal

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Eight Trigrams Sealing Style

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Flying Thunder God Technique

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Four Symbols Seal

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Rasengan

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Space-Time Barrier

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Summoning Technique

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Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique

Is used along with the Summoning Technique displayed above.

These are all the techniques Minato knew; I have shown you proof that this is the extent of his power. But for Madara, we know that he had an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (and whether he still has it is unclear), and thus we do not know what powers it gave him, as Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan will give him. That's why you can't judge Madara's power because we haven't seen the entirety of it. But for Minato, we can, since he has displayed each technique he knows, directly in battle. What do you think?

and you are missing kagebushin

this is not the proof he is looking for. You have shown the techniques minato has shown but you have not shown a proof that says that this was all that minato had.

 

[gtgoku]

Madara obviously planned to destroy everybody in the Leaf village, and to take the nine tails captive. Madara definitely tried to beat Minato, so there's no way that anything that went down was helping his mission be accomplished. I'm positive Madara doesn't know that only half of the chakra is sealed within Naruto.

 

[Joegonzo]

and you are missing kagebushin

this is not the proof he is looking for. You have shown the techniques minato has shown but you have not shown a proof that says that this was all that minato had.

Exactly.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

can you tell me that the seals minato used were all the seals he learned from kushina? No, you can not. Plus there is his affinity. He was trying to take the rasengan to whole different level by doing what kakashi and yamato told naruto to do. This means that minato had his own affinity. Just in this, I have shown you that we don't know the full extent of minato's power yet because we don't know enough about him.

Just because the fifth hokage said that masked man/tobi/madara knows everything doesnt mean that madara saw what minato did that night. You can't show me madara witnessing what minato did when he sealed half of the nine tail demon fox into naruto. You can only assume to your own advantage that he knows what minato did that night. Plus minato is linked with his seal marks in some way because he can choose which seal he wants to appear on and how. Madara was tagged with this seal mark so I don't think minato would be careless as to explain to kushina what he was going to do out in the field and do the process while madara was still there. He would have known that madara would be there. This is why naruto is going to be very long.

The Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques, and Kushina herself says in chapter 500 that she taught Minato all sorts of different seals, probably ones that became the technique formula for the Flying Thunder God technique.

Even if we don't know the complete extent of Minato's power, we know about 95 percent of it, the other 5 percent being Minato's affinity, as you have stated. So it is easier to judge Minato in terms of power because we have seen more of his skills than Madara's.

Also, you only assume to your advantage that Madara was not witness to the sealing, when he very well could have been. Can you show me proof that Madara did not see the sealing from a distance? No, so why are you saying that I am wrong that Madara did in fact see the sealing of the Nine-Tailed Fox with his own eyes? You don't have any proof your statement either.

And the Contract Seal only nullified Madara's control of the fox; it wouldn't allow Minato to hear what Madara is doing or where he is, so I don't understand where you deduced such a conclusion from. How would Minato know that Madara was or was not going to be at the place of the sealing? For all I know, Minato was much more focused on the Nine-Tails when sealing it than on Madara, so there were not many things he was paying attention to then. It's a debatable question, one that has no definite answer yet.

 

[gtgoku]

The Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques, and Kushina herself says in chapter 500 that she taught Minato all sorts of different seals, probably ones that became the technique formula for the Flying Thunder God technique.

Even if we don't know the complete extent of Minato's power, we know about 95 percent of it, the other 5 percent being Minato's affinity, as you have stated. So it is easier to judge Minato in terms of power because we have seen more of his skills than Madara's.

Also, you only assume to your advantage that Madara was not witness to the sealing, when he very well could have been. Can you show me proof that Madara did not see the sealing from a distance? No, so why are you saying that I am wrong that Madara did in fact see the sealing of the Nine-Tailed Fox with his own eyes? You don't have any proof your statement either.

And the Contract Seal only nullified Madara's control of the fox; it wouldn't allow Minato to hear what Madara is doing or where he is, so I don't understand where you deduced such a conclusion from. How would Minato know that Madara was or was not going to be at the place of the sealing? For all I know, Minato was much more focused on the Nine-Tails when sealing it than on Madara, so there were not many things he was paying attention to then. It's a debatable question, one that has no definite answer yet.

Uh, maybe it was Madara's shocked expression that made us think he didn't see the tags? Also he actually admitted he didn't know where to find them.

 

[Joegonzo]

can you tell me that the seals minato used were all the seals he learned from kushina? No, you can not. Plus there is his affinity. He was trying to take the rasengan to whole different level by doing what kakashi and yamato told naruto to do. This means that minato had his own affinity. Just in this, I have shown you that we don't know the full extent of minato's power yet because we don't know enough about him.

Just because the fifth hokage said that masked man/tobi/madara knows everything doesnt mean that madara saw what minato did that night. You can't show me madara witnessing what minato did when he sealed half of the nine tail demon fox into naruto. You can only assume to your own advantage that he knows what minato did that night. Plus minato is linked with his seal marks in some way because he can choose which seal he wants to appear on and how. Madara was tagged with this seal mark so I don't think minato would be careless as to explain to kushina what he was going to do out in the field and do the process while madara was still there. He would have known that madara would be there. This is why naruto is going to be very long.

I agree on all your points made. Also, I wouldn't be suprised to see another 500 chapters of Naruto.

 

[yondaimeminato]

The Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques, and Kushina herself says in chapter 500 that she taught Minato all sorts of different seals, probably ones that became the technique formula for the Flying Thunder God technique.

Even if we don't know the complete extent of Minato's power, we know about 95 percent of it, the other 5 percent being Minato's affinity, as you have stated. So it is easier to judge Minato in terms of power because we have seen more of his skills than Madara's.

Also, you only assume to your advantage that Madara was not witness to the sealing, when he very well could have been. Can you show me proof that Madara did not see the sealing from a distance? No, so why are you saying that I am wrong that Madara did in fact see the sealing of the Nine-Tailed Fox with his own eyes? You don't have any proof your statement either.

And the Contract Seal only nullified Madara's control of the fox; it wouldn't allow Minato to hear what Madara is doing or where he is, so I don't understand where you deduced such a conclusion from. How would Minato know that Madara was or was not going to be at the place of the sealing? For all I know, Minato was much more focused on the Nine-Tails when sealing it than on Madara, so there were not many things he was paying attention to then. It's a debatable question, one that has no definite answer yet.

and there could be still more seals that he knows. They don't have to be ones he has shown us so far.

I have proof of this yes.

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notice the mark on his feet? And look at minato even though the enemy is hidden he looks at him. That's a direct relationship with this seal marks.

and I wasn't talking about the contract seal. I was talking about the seals he uses to teleport. He marked madara with it.

So if madara would have been anywhere close to minato, he would have known

 

[Joegonzo]

The Uzumaki clan specialized in sealing techniques, and Kushina herself says in chapter 500 that she taught Minato all sorts of different seals, probably ones that became the technique formula for the Flying Thunder God technique.

Even if we don't know the complete extent of Minato's power, we know about 95 percent of it, the other 5 percent being Minato's affinity, as you have stated. So it is easier to judge Minato in terms of power because we have seen more of his skills than Madara's.

Also, you only assume to your advantage that Madara was not witness to the sealing, when he very well could have been. Can you show me proof that Madara did not see the sealing from a distance? No, so why are you saying that I am wrong that Madara did in fact see the sealing of the Nine-Tailed Fox with his own eyes? You don't have any proof your statement either.

And the Contract Seal only nullified Madara's control of the fox; it wouldn't allow Minato to hear what Madara is doing or where he is, so I don't understand where you deduced such a conclusion from. How would Minato know that Madara was or was not going to be at the place of the sealing? For all I know, Minato was much more focused on the Nine-Tails when sealing it than on Madara, so there were not many things he was paying attention to then. It's a debatable question, one that has no definite answer yet.

There is no definite answer. No one should be presenting their answers as what appear to be "fact" when they do not have proof. We have no idea on the extent of Mintao's powers. He could have very well only shown half of what he is capable of. There are countless jutsu that he could have still not shown us. For all we know, he had 3 or 4 elements mastered and used each when he normally battled. The battle between him was so quick it could not have revealed all of his powers.

I do agree that we have a better idea of Minato's power than we do of Madara's because more was shown. Madara has yet to show anything other than his sharingan and his ability to disappear and reappear. For all we know though, that is all he can do. I doubt it, but it would not suprise me considering he said he was only "a shell of his former self".

 

[yondaimeminato]

There is no definite answer. No one should be presenting their answers as what appear to be "fact" when they do not have proof. We have no idea on the extent of Mintao's powers. He could have very well only shown half of what he is capable of. There are countless jutsu that he could have still not shown us. For all we know, he had 3 or 4 elements mastered and used each when he normally battled. The battle between him was so quick it could not have revealed all of his powers.

I do agree that we have a better idea of Minato's power than we do of Madara's because more was shown. Madara has yet to show anything other than his sharingan and his ability to disappear and reappear. For all we know though, that is all he can do. I doubt it, but it would not suprise me considering he said he was only "a shell of his former self".

Well said

This I can fully agree.

 

[dexter64]

Also Madara dont look at it as madara killed Minato , Minato could have let Kushina take the fox with her, and went on to live his life with his son, but he chose a different path.

Well said vlive6.

Here we go again. Endless battles proving each other wrong. I admit I was guilty of that too. I think going forward, we need to start to do what this thread intended to do. It's called naruto manga discussion. It's not a naruto manga debate. Discussion is much more civilized than debate or arguing, when we debate or argue we started by attacking the logics or the statements, and soon end up in attacking the person giving them. What I noticed so far was some of us just trying too hard to force our opinions to others, and sometimes we even twisted the storyline to back up our flawed opinions (so obvious to most of us, but not to the person making it).

Even if we read Naruto from the same translator what we take out of our reading was not the same. Different translations of the manga made it even worse. I am not the one to look at the details of the drawings, so often times in this forum I learnt a great deal from people who did, they pointed out something that I missed.

Discussion also helped me a lot to understand the manga better. When we discuss, we learn about different point of views and the consequences of those POVs. Discussion is not personal, it's a collaboration to weed out the illogical. Everything in life can be viewed from at least 2 POVs. Manga is no different from life, everything Kishi put can be view from at least 2 POV, that way we have at least 2 different outcome. But everything in life has a pattern, sometimes once in a while something strayed from the pattern but most of the time it follows the exact pattern. Kishi and Naruto world has that patterns. By combining our POVs through discussions I think most of the time we can predict correctly what will happened next in the manga.

When we debate or argue we tend to ignore the arguments that neutralize our arguments and kept on attacking with our opinions, and soon we become a broken records, kept repeating the same thing over and over again convincing ourselves that we are right and shutting our minds from anything else.

I want to apologize to all of you that were hurt by whatever I've done in this forum. Please, forgive me, it's not intentional. Let's start discussing from now on.

 

[Hungry Demon Path]

Great chapter! Can't wait for the next one!

HE DID NOT HAVE TO LEARN TELEPORTATION BECAUSE IT CAME WITH THE FOX POWER, ITS NOT FTG TECH. I REPEAT ITS NOT FTG. TELEPORTATION IS HIGH SPEED MOVEMENT and FTG TECH. IS A SPACE TIME TECH.

NARUTO WAS JUST MOVING FAST IT WAS NOT A SPACE TIME TECH.

Teleportation is space time... that is a fact.. being really fast means you moved really fast, doesn't mean you teleported. I don't know what Naruto did, I won't try to guess or assume because we have people doing that now.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

and you are missing kagebushin

this is not the proof he is looking for. You have shown the techniques minato has shown but you have not shown a proof that says that this was all that minato had.

I don't think Minato knew the Shadow Clone jutsu. If he did, why didn't he use it in combat, against Madara for example? It would have made things easier, don't you think? These are all the techniques Minato knew (to us) because he has not shown any other ones, and thus we must assume that the ones he has shown are the only ones he knew. I think so because Minato might have known more techniques during his life, but since he never displayed them, it can be said that he never really knew them at all. If the manga readers don't see it, then how are we going to know that it is indeed something Minato had knowledge of, but did not show? So far, the ones I have listed, keeping to the facts, are the only techniques Minato knew. If of course, he is shown to have used different jutsu, then yes, a change will be made to the list. But for now these are what we have seen, and naturally all he knew.

 

[silenceofthelambs]

and there could be still more seals that he knows. They don't have to be ones he has shown us so far.

I have proof of this yes.

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notice the mark on his feet? And look at minato even though the enemy is hidden he looks at him. That's a direct relationship with this seal marks.

and I wasn't talking about the contract seal. I was talking about the seals he uses to teleport. He marked madara with it.

So if madara would have been anywhere close to minato, he would have known

It's not like Madara was going to keep the Flying Thunder God marking on his body. Once finding it, he would have removed it, and that could have taken seconds or minutes to do. Why would he intentionally keep that marking on his body? If he retreats from the battle, then, in my opinion, he will look for the marking Minato placed, and get rid of it. With whatever plans in mind he mentioned to Minato, he will begin working towards that.

Besides, even if Madara did not take that marking off his body, and neared Minato, would Minato really begin fighting with him again? The Nine-Tailed Fox is his primary concern, and I'm fairly certain he would deal with the fox instead of Madara. Minato was going to die taking care of the Nine-Tails; would Madara want to interrupt that? True, he lost the battle, but by night's end Minato was dead. In my opinion that gave Madara's plans, even if just a little, the potential to run smoother.

Also, considering Madara's plan of resurrecting the Jubi, was Madara even planning to keep the Nine-Tails after having extracted it from Kushina? Madara is collecting all the tailed beasts so that he may seal them into the Demon Sealing Statue, so eventually he was going to lose his weapon (for the success of his plan), one way or the other. Maybe he didn't want to give it up at that point in time, but things would have come to the same conclusion. That's my take on the subject.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

Can you provide proof that we have seen the full extent of Minato's powers?

You got a good point

 

[dexter64]

There is no definite answer. No one should be presenting their answers as what appear to be "fact" when they do not have proof. We have no idea on the extent of Mintao's powers. He could have very well only shown half of what he is capable of. There are countless jutsu that he could have still not shown us. For all we know, he had 3 or 4 elements mastered and used each when he normally battled. The battle between him was so quick it could not have revealed all of his powers.

I do agree that we have a better idea of Minato's power than we do of Madara's because more was shown. Madara has yet to show anything other than his sharingan and his ability to disappear and reappear. For all we know though, that is all he can do. I doubt it, but it would not suprise me considering he said he was only "a shell of his former self".

This is what I call discussion admitting something that the other POV has some merit.

Ok. Now I will contribute somethings to this discussion, somethings that I should do before, I will address some topics and explain how I come to my conclusions. All comments that for this discussion will be welcomed.

1. Was Minato a sage? Yes, I believed he was.
- Minato knew a lot of toads. I think summoning needs a delicate chakra control, the amount of chakra you use will determined who will be summoned or maybe something like a tag involve in it. If I remembered correctly, before meeting with Pa toad and going to mount toad Naruto only knew 3 toads. You knew the toads by going to mount toad.
- The only way to learn Sage Mode fast is by going to mount toad and have a teacher by your side all the time. It doesn't make any sense going to mount toad and not learning SM.
- You won't meet Pa or the other toads by just learning summoning. Pa toad spoke of Minato with familiarity which meant he had spent quiet a lot of time with Minato.
- When Pa toad said that Naruto has surpassed Jiraiya and Minato, he meant Naruto surpassed them only in term of SM, frog katas and power not overall. Pa definitely won't say that Naruto surpassed Minato in FTG, or surpassed Minato and Jiraiya in sealing techniques.

2. I believed Minato attached 3 seals in Madara's body.
- 1st seal was the FTG seal, so everywhere Madara go Minato could follow him instantly
- 2nd seal was the most important seal of all and the one that make Madara retreated. It's a seal that make Madara solid, without this seal the other 2 seals were useless if Minato can't touch Madara.
- 3rd seal was the contract cancellation seal to break Madara's contract with the 9 tails. The first 2 seals Minato did at the same time the Rasengan hit. He did the 3rd seal later.

3. I believed Madara didn't see the resealing of the 9 tails into Naruto.
- Madara flee from Minato, because he was injured. He knew Minato won't pursue him immediately because Minato must deal with the 9 tails first.
- While Minato dealt with the 9 tails, Madara must took that time to get rid of the seals Minato put from his body.
- Minato chose to die even though he didn't have to, so there's no way for Madara to predicted it. Hell, Madara didn't even predict that Kushina could still be alive after he ripped the 9 tails out of her.
- I don't think the badly injured Madara would rushed to Konoha after he removed the seals, considering the prospect of another encounter with Minato. His parting words to Minato somehow confirmed it. He said, "But someday, it will be mine again"

4. I think no one bring it out yet, but do you guys realize the meaning from the fact that Madara summoned the 9 tails?
- Somewhere in the past Madara made a contract with the 9 tails, it must be before his fight with the 1st. With that contract, somehow the 9 tails must obey to Madara to a certain degree.
- The sealing of the 9 tails somehow also blocked the contract to be used. Madara could not summon the 9 tails while it's sealed.
- Madara was in a rush to destroy Konoha. He teleported to Konoha and summoned the 9 tails to the village. Can you imagine how much chakra he must use to summon the 9 tails? Instead of telling the 9 tails to go to Konoha that would take a while longer, Madara chose to spent a lot of chakras to do the summoning. So, it's logical that the shell of his former self was even further handicapped by his decision to use summoning. He fought Minato not with his 100% power at that time. That will explain why he defeated so quickly by Minato.
- Minato broke the contract for good.

 

[dexter64]

I don't think Minato knew the Shadow Clone jutsu. If he did, why didn't he use it in combat, against Madara for example? It would have made things easier, don't you think?

Just because you could do something, didn't mean that you have to use it.

Naruto was the master of Shadow Clone Jutsu. He rely a lot on it to compensate his weaknesses on other areas which Minato didn't have.
1. Naruto needs it to do rasengan because he lacks chakra control.
2. Naruto needs it to confuse the enemy and to compensate his lack of speed. With FTG, Shadow Clone Jutsu just nothing but hindrance to Minato. SCJ divided your chakra evenly, and just doing it in the 1st place is a delay. So it won't make it easier for Minato, it only make everything harder for him.
3. Sometime Nartuto needs it to delay the enemy, giving him time to think about battle strategy.

These are all the techniques Minato knew (to us) because he has not shown any other ones, and thus we must assume that the ones he has shown are the only ones he knew. I think so because Minato might have known more techniques during his life, but since he never displayed them, it can be said that he never really knew them at all. If the manga readers don't see it, then how are we going to know that it is indeed something Minato had knowledge of, but did not show? So far, the ones I have listed, keeping to the facts, are the only techniques Minato knew. If of course, he is shown to have used different jutsu, then yes, a change will be made to the list. But for now these are what we have seen, and naturally all he knew.

Following the same logic, then Madara only knew whatever jutsus he has shown so far, which I don't think that's the case.

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

It's not like Madara was going to keep the Flying Thunder God marking on his body. Once finding it, he would have removed it, and that could have taken seconds or minutes to do. Why would he intentionally keep that marking on his body? If he retreats from the battle, then, in my opinion, he will look for the marking Minato placed, and get rid of it. With whatever plans in mind he mentioned to Minato, he will begin working towards that.

Besides, even if Madara did not take that marking off his body, and neared Minato, would Minato really begin fighting with him again? The Nine-Tailed Fox is his primary concern, and I'm fairly certain he would deal with the fox instead of Madara. Minato was going to die taking care of the Nine-Tails; would Madara want to interrupt that? True, he lost the battle, but by night's end Minato was dead. In my opinion that gave Madara's plans, even if just a little, the potential to run smoother.

Also, considering Madara's plan of resurrecting the Jubi, was Madara even planning to keep the Nine-Tails after having extracted it from Kushina? Madara is collecting all the tailed beasts so that he may seal them into the Demon Sealing Statue, so eventually he was going to lose his weapon (for the success of his plan), one way or the other. Maybe he didn't want to give it up at that point in time, but things would have come to the same conclusion. That's my take on the subject.

Yes you are right about one thing Minato's main concern was the Kyuubi which was destroying the village when Minato tried to stop the Kyuubi Madara stepped in and that's why Minato had to fight him first. But even in that tense moment Minato not only thought about the present by sealing the Kyuubi but also about the future by sealing it inside Naruto so that Madara can be stopped. And dude how do you know that Madara's main plan was to resurrect the Juubi at that time. Madara's main plan was to destroy the village but he failed and then he only got his revenge on the Uchihas. And its most logical that after he met Pain he was able to know about the Juubi and then he started to make his new plans. And why on earth Madara would show himself if he knew that he would have to lose the Kyuubi that's really illogical. Most probable logic is that Madara failed to destroy Konoha but then he was able to attain revenge on Uchiha and then he was able to make this new plan of his about resurrecting the Juubi. And even if I once agree that Madara had always planned to resurrect the Juubi why would he attack at that time knowing that he will lose the Kyuubi and in the process showing himself, that's not Madara dude. Madara had hardly shown himself and when he did he meant business so don't think that the Juubi's plan was really on at the time when he attacked Konoha its may be after the Uchiha massacre he started Aktasuki.