Dude says "God doesn't EXIST!" says this world is a mystery

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Because the concept of God, universe and organics are too complex for human understanding, this is the best way to comprehend God's existence, as a computer programmer put it: Imagine the universe as a game. Now a game must have a programmer - someone who designed, developed and maintains it for it to exist and run. The game has codes of how it's created, what it does and the purpose of it. The universe is just like a game, except much bigger and more complicated and it has its designer and creator no other than God almighty.This is the best manner of proving God's existence, by correlating a real life example to God's concept.

[[[( 52/35 )** Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]?
-36 )** Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.]]]

"And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him (Allah Alone). But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away (from Him)And man is ever ungrateful." *Al-Israa, verse 67

Denial of God is matter of stubbornness.
 

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Because the concept of God, universe and organics are too complex for human understanding, this is the best way to comprehend God's existence, as a computer programmer put it: Imagine the universe as a game. Now a game must have a programmer - someone who designed, developed and maintains it for it to exist and run. The game has codes of how it's created, what it does and the purpose of it. The universe is just like a game, except much bigger and more complicated and it has its designer and creator no other than God almighty.This is the best manner of proving God's existence, by correlating a real life example to God's concept.

[[[( 52/35 )** Or were they created by nothing, or were they the creators [of themselves]?
-36 )** Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Rather, they are not certain.]]]

"And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him (Allah Alone). But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away (from Him)And man is ever ungrateful." *Al-Israa, verse 67

Denial of God is matter of stubbornness.
So who created God?

Btw nice false equivalency.
 

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No one, i dont see why its hard to believe that God created himself since he can do all of these things, if he create this huge world then why not himself?
If God can create himself, then why can't the universe create itself? If the Universe is too complex to not have a creator, then wouldn't that creator be too complex to not have a creator?
 

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If God can create himself, then why can't the universe create itself? If the Universe is too complex to not have a creator, then wouldn't that creator be too complex to not have a creator?
Because the universe is a thing, a created entity not alive or has mind of its own, if it did you'd probably see people worshiping the universe because it will send its own messengers lml
 
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just cause YOU dont know shit doesnt mean a damn thing. there is a biological explanation for the chicken egg problem, but youre just too dumb to understand it.

[video=youtube;1a8pI65emDE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a8pI65emDE[/video]
Lmfao i watched that long time ago you scrub

God made the chicken dealll with it.
 

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If God can create himself, then why can't the universe create itself? If the Universe is too complex to not have a creator, then wouldn't that creator be too complex to not have a creator?
No one, i dont see why its hard to believe that God created himself since he can do all of these things, if he create this huge world then why not himself?
The idea of something creating itself when that something doesn't even exist makes no sense, even if it were God. Not to mention the idea of God coming into existence itself is ungod-like, since one of the common views of God is that he is immortal and eternal. There's no reason to explain "where did God come from" or "who created God", since we can simply keep using that question endlessly ei who created God's creator, and who created that creator, and so on and so forth. It goes no where, and quite simply, it defies common sense to think an omnipotent being would even need a creator. Even if one believes in God or not, common sense tells you that an omnipotent being who himself created space and time and matter would not need to rely anything for his existence.
 

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The idea of something creating itself when that something doesn't even exist makes no sense, even if it were God. Not to mention the idea of God coming into existence itself is ungod-like, since one of the common views of God is that he is immortal and eternal. There's no reason to explain "where did God come from" or "who created God", since we can simply keep using that question endlessly ei who created God's creator, and who created that creator, and so on and so forth. It goes no where, and quite simply, it defies common sense to think an omnipotent being would even need a creator. Even if one believes in God or not, common sense tells you that an omnipotent being who himself created space and time and matter would not need to rely anything for his existence.
Eh, it's seems illogical because it's something that can't be perceived by our reasoning. There's a phrase called 'Transcendental reasoning' for this reason.

Sort of like when a thousand years ago, if you asked a man if he believed that humans could fly in an airplane, he would say it's illogical because the reasoning far stretched his reach.
 

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Eh, it's seems illogical because it's something that can't be perceived by our reasoning. There's a phrase called 'Transcendental reasoning' for this reason.

Sort of like when a thousand years ago, if you asked a man if he believed that humans could fly in an airplane, he would say it's illogical because the reasoning far stretched his reach.
I think you're confusing logical and metaphysical possibility. When we (casually) say something is impossible we mean it in the context of metaphysical impossibility - something that can be concieved but not actualized. In contrast to this a logical impossibility (what people reffer to when they say something is illogical) is that which is self-referentially contradictive or if you don't like fancy language - that which makes no sense.

Something creating itself falls into the latter category for it cannot be concieved even as a concept. This isn't at all like the concept of people flying which is (even without airplanes) logically possible (coherent) but not really actualizable under these affairs. So you could say that we don't know if our logic covers this but I don't think you're justified in believing so unless you can give any illustration (no matter how far-fetched) which make sense of the claim that one brings himself into being.
 

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I think you're confusing logical and metaphysical possibility. When we (casually) say something is impossible we mean it in the context of metaphysical impossibility - something that can be concieved but not actualized. In contrast to this a logical impossibility (what people reffer to when they say something is illogical) is that which is self-referentially contradictive or if you don't like fancy language - that which makes no sense.

Something creating itself falls into the latter category for it cannot be concieved even as a concept. This isn't at all like the concept of people flying which is (even without airplanes) logically possible (coherent) but not really actualizable under these affairs. So you could say that we don't know if our logic covers this but I don't think you're justified in believing so unless you can give any illustration (no matter how far-fetched) which make sense of the claim that one brings himself into being.
All I'm trying to say is that 'God created himself' could be something too complicated for our reasoning to understand. >.> Or it could be wrong, who knows.
 

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I believe there is an origin of creation. Do I think it's your perception of God? No lol that'd be silly. Do I care if there's a God? Not in particular. My thinking is simple, and not guided by an old book of fables, but it's this: if God wanted us to know and worship him, he would make it very clear, not through some book interpreted by thousands of years of propaganda and personal intent.
 

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Universe has to have a beginning, has to have a creator but something that is by definition more complex than the universe needs neither.

^And that's why religious people are mocked, just stick to faith and quit pretending as if there's a logical argument for God.
 

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Universe has to have a beginning, has to have a creator but something that is by definition more complex than the universe needs neither.

^And that's why religious people are mocked, just stick to faith and quit pretending as if there's a logical argument for God.
By your logic God must have a creator and a beginning, and the same for the thing that created this God and so on. This line of thought is more laughable than a herd of religious people preaching nonsense or better yet worshiping cows. If you accept the idea that there is a God then you must believe that everything is created by him - both physical and abstract concepts. Therefore the concept of creation does not apply to him - because as you inherently believe (when accepting the idea of a God) he is the creator of everything. By saying God has a beginning you're introducing time - but he is the creator of time. Either you believe in the idea that there is a God, that he is the origin for everything and that he has no creator, or you don't believe in him at all.
 

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Wow you Threatening to ban me for this thread about my views on a topic of religion just because you don't agree with me.

Using very Stupid Examples acting like you're smart,after reading 2 of your paragraph it shows you are not.

But Other people on this site out-right troll and spam crap about their fan-base + gang people who don't agree with them because you are one of them yourself.

And banning me from this forum is nothing.

Lmfao this guy talking about "hentai and purple hippo's twerking"?? wtf

people like you are actually in charge of this site explains the mental retardation levels here.
Wasted my time reading two of his retarded paragraphs.
lol take a real worm to lurk, and report someone instead of confronting them even more online.

talking about blaze btw.
And you're banned as it's obvious you have no intention whatsoever to act appropriately. Also how is this a threat? I merely pointed out that there will be consequences if you don't follow the rules. For some reason trolls always immediately start bringing up the "threat" rhetoric whenever a mod points the obvious out that there actually might be some nasty consequences tied to acting like a troll. Snap out of it and get a reality check. If you get caught numerous times, for instance for driving under influence, there is going to be a moment that the judge says that the next time the punishment will be far more severe. That's not a threat. If I said that I was going to murder you if you don't start following the rules, now that would be a threat.

Also you have been foul mouthing this entire thread the beliefs of other people. So you are allowed to do it, but when someone else supposedly does it to you, it's not allowed? Do you see the hypocrisy in that? Also if you actually read my post thoroughly, you should have realized I never said anything about agreeing/not agreeing with your views on religion, I just pointed out how horribly messed up your reasoning was.

I mean just look at yourself. You were talking about giant squids and chickens in a thread about the potential existence of a higher deity. I did nothing more than elaborate more on the exact same things you yourself originally said and then you make a comment about me using stupid examples? For crying out loud I just told you from the get-go to properly behave and that I already could have infracted you numerous times even before I made my post: at least 3 times for multi-posting, 2 times for insulting other people and I pretty much could have infracted you for just making this thread. And what do you do? You completely ignored everything I said other than crying about me "threatening" you, you immediately multi-posted 3 times in which you were again borderline insulting people. That way you really make it easy for people to publicly question your intellectual qualities, but when they do you start crying and send us reports and we have to deal with them =/

So banning is nothing? Then why are you even here? This is again one of those comments trolls keep repeating endlessly. "I don't care", but for some reason you do care enough to keep coming back, banned or not, to act like a cancer for other people and cry whenever you get punished. Did your god teach you that? A group of people just want to respectfully discuss certain topics with each other and then you intentionally ruin it for them?

When you make a thread, by default you accept that there might be people who have different opinions. You don't have to share those opinions, but you should accept that there is room to share and discuss the views as that's the whole point. A while back someone made a thread about the exact same topic as this one. I didn't agree with reasoning given in that thread, however OP was neither insulting, aggressive nor looking down on people who thought differently and the reasoning was intellectually supported. You however just talked about giant squids and after that you didn't say anything else anymore other than going around insulting people with different views and making irrelevant, senseless remarks. With other words this was nothing more than a troll thread. I gave you a chance, you blew it. Even theists would have rolled their eyes reading your first post.

Lastly ganging up on people is something you and all those other trolls do all the time. You can't even access this section anymore, but I'm 100% convinced that you will know exactly everything I have written here soon.

Why do you threaten him with a ban from a certain section due to insulting? A normal ban would do, heck even a longer infraction would be enough. It seems you got triggered by him just because he has another view on this topic and tries to convince the members here that god exists. You remind me of Ira on that matter tbh

-banning me for expressing my opinion would just show what a coward you are-

if you Ban me:
Farewell to my brothers and sisters Inmate, Ricardo, Filo, Shelke, Wabbit, Dante, Filo, Shaz aswell as Kakooli, Demonic, Vatox and Ethereal

Peace out to my haterz Guntah, VVolfVVarrior, Lordraikage

Shoutout to Zise and Horus for not letting me down
Well I already banned you even before I read this post as you found it necessary to make a ludicrous suggestion in the Q/S section where you started targeting several mods publicly, which is against the rules. When I then declined the suggestion, you started harassing me on my profile about it while I made it clear that this matter was finished and that there would be repercussions if you would keep harassing me and at the same time you insulted me in the Premium section. Seriously you break an entire arsenal of rules, then call me a coward if I ban you because you describe your deplorable behavior as "expressing an opinion". Am I then not allowed to express myself? There is nothing in my post that broke any rules, but still all of you crawled out of the woodwork to complain about it. Why?

And if you actually read my post you would have known I stated multiple reasons of which insulting was only one of them. Even after troll standards your rhetoric is abominable. If you want to pick a fight with an admin, don't do it by pretending to stick up for a guy who insulted people because he couldn't find anything better than a giant squid to support the existential value of his god.

Wew an admin threatening to ban a member. Although Lordraikage can be some idiot from time to time that doesn't mean you have to threaten him.

Besides that what are you trying to do in your post? He clearly cannot prove God is real. You cannot prove he isn't. You were just throwing oil on some small fire.

GG caliboer








Based kebabbrother. My name is even on there twice!
You people sound like a broken record. Do you have occasional meetings about troll clichés? Tell me how exactly then am I supposed to make verbally clear to some people that their current behavior is going against the policies and the rules of the forum? Making sure that people follow the rules, and give punishments for those who do not, is still very well the core task of all the staff members. You people talk like it's a clever idea to use the word "threaten". If we use that word, we can portray him as the big bad boogie admin. But what else am I suppose say or do then? You want me instead to give you a hug, a teddybear and a cup of hot coco with marshmallows and call infractions and bans "smooches"? If you don't watch out, you will get a "smooch" from Cali! Would that be more suitable for your timid and brittle souls who seem to collapse immediately when they hear the words "infraction" and "ban" out of the mouth of a mod?

Also you are very well aware that I speak Dutch, and if you didn't well now you know, so I very well consider that pun on my username as an insult of an admin.


Do you know what the funniest part of all of this is? I'm neither a theist nor an atheist. I'm located somewhere in the realm of gnosticism. There might be a god, there might not be a god. I don't automatically believe there is one, or more, but I neither disclose the possibility. I also don't see religion and science as two things that are inherently contradictory and if you had carefully read my post, you would have released that by no means it was meant as post to prove that there is no god and hence you can't accuse me of attacking his believes. The only thing I did was pointing out what was exactly wrong with the majority of the things he said, most of which had little to do with there being a god or not. On top of that I explained what the actual implications are of his own reasoning. The core of his argumentation was that we still know very little and thus that there could be a god somewhere. Yes that's correct, however that automatically means you can say that about everything, like a purple hippo. I never said there is no god, my point all along was to point out it's rather sad that you insult people because they have a different view than you, while the best effort you could bring forth for your own god was granting him the same existential value as that of a purple hippo.

I seriously can't believe you people got sucked in so easily in all your eagerness to gang up on the big bad admin. All of you combined easily deserve over a dozen infractions. I am convinced that if I had made that post as a regular member in your favor, you all would be liking and repping me like no tomorrow and probably would have turned me into a martyr if I would have gotten banned for it. If I had made that post against you like a regular member, you people would have been reporting me en mass. You pretty much act like a bunch of school bullies: you gang up on people, but throw things like "coward" and "snitch" around to avoid your victims telling anyone. However when someone retaliates, you immediately run crying to a higher authority. You only acted this way just because I happen to be an admin.
 
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And you're banned as it's obvious you have no intention whatsoever to act appropriately. Also how is this a threat? I merely pointed out that there will be consequences if you don't follow the rules. For some reason trolls always immediately start bringing up the "threat" rhetoric whenever a mod points the obvious out that there actually might be some nasty consequences tied to acting like a troll. Snap out of it and get a reality check. If you get caught numerous times, for instance for driving under influence, there is going to be a moment that the judge says that the next time the punishment will be far more severe. That's not a threat. If I said that I was going to murder you if you don't start following the rules, now that would be a threat.

Also you have been foul mouthing this entire thread the beliefs of other people. So you are allowed to do it, but when someone else supposedly does it to you, it's not allowed? Do you see the hypocrisy in that? Also if you actually read my post thoroughly, you should have realized I never said anything about agreeing/not agreeing with your views on religion, I just pointed out how horribly messed up your reasoning was.

I mean just look at yourself. You were talking about giant squids and chickens in a thread about the potential existence of a higher deity. I did nothing more than elaborate more on the exact same things you yourself originally said and then you make a comment about me using stupid examples? For crying out loud I just told you from the get-go to properly behave and that I already could have infracted you numerous times even before I made my post: at least 3 times for multi-posting, 2 times for insulting other people and I pretty much could have infracted you for just making this thread. And what do you do? You completely ignored everything I said other than crying about me "threatening" you, you immediately multi-posted 3 times in which you were again borderline insulting people. That way you really make it easy for people to publicly question your intellectual qualities, but when they do you start crying and send us reports and we have to deal with them =/

So banning is nothing? Then why are you even here? This is again one of those comments trolls keep repeating endlessly. "I don't care", but for some reason you do care enough to keep coming back, banned or not, to act like a cancer for other people and cry whenever you get punished. Did your god teach you that? A group of people just want to respectfully discuss certain topics with each other and then you intentionally ruin it for them?

When you make a thread, by default you accept that there might be people who have different opinions. You don't have to share those opinions, but you should accept that there is room to share and discuss the views as that's the whole point. A while back someone made a thread about the exact same topic as this one. I didn't agree with reasoning given in that thread, however OP was neither insulting, aggressive nor looking down on people who thought differently and the reasoning was intellectually supported. You however just talked about giant squids and after that you didn't say anything else anymore other than going around insulting people with different views and making irrelevant, senseless remarks. With other words this was nothing more than a troll thread. I gave you a chance, you blew it. Even theists would have rolled their eyes reading your first post.

Lastly ganging up on people is something you and all those other trolls do all the time. You can't even access this section anymore, but I'm 100% convinced that you will know exactly everything I have written here soon.



Well I already banned you even before I read this post as you found it necessary to make a ludicrous suggestion in the Q/S section where you started targeting several mods publicly, which is against the rules. When I then declined the suggestion, you started harassing me on my profile about it while I made it clear that this matter was finished and that there would be repercussions if you would keep harassing me and at the same time you insulted me in the Premium section. Seriously you break an entire arsenal of rules, then call me a coward if I ban you because you describe your deplorable behavior as "expressing an opinion". Am I then not allowed to express myself? There is nothing in my post that broke any rules, but still all of you crawled out of the woodwork to complain about it. Why?

And if you actually read my post you would have known I stated multiple reasons of which insulting was only one of them. Even after troll standards your rhetoric is abominable. If you want to pick a fight with an admin, don't do it by pretending to stick up for a guy who insulted people because he couldn't find anything better than a giant squid to support the existential value of his god.



You people sound like a broken record. Do you have occasional meetings about troll clichés? Tell me how exactly then am I supposed to make verbally clear to some people that their current behavior is going against the policies and the rules of the forum? Making sure that people follow the rules, and give punishments for those who do not, is still very well the core task of all the staff members. You people talk like it's a clever idea to use the word "threaten". If we use that word, we can portray him as the big bad boogie admin. But what else am I suppose say or do then? You want me instead to give you a hug, a teddybear and a cup of hot coco with marshmallows and call infractions and bans "smooches"? If you don't watch out, you will get a "smooch" from Cali! Would that be more suitable for your timid and brittle souls who seem to collapse immediately when they hear the words "infraction" and "ban" out of the mouth of a mod?

Also you are very well aware that I speak Dutch, and if you didn't well now you know, so I very well consider that pun on my username as an insult of an admin.


Do you know what the funniest part of all of this is? I'm neither a theist nor an atheist. I'm located somewhere in the realm of gnosticism. There might be a god, there might not be a god. I don't automatically believe there is one, or more, but I neither disclose the possibility. I also don't see religion and science as two things that are inherently contradictory and if you had carefully read my post, you would have released that by no means it was meant as post to prove that there is no god and hence you can't accuse me of attacking his believes. The only thing I did was pointing out what was exactly wrong with the majority of the things he said, most of which had little to do with there being a god or not. On top of that I explained what the actual implications are of his own reasoning. The core of his argumentation was that we still know very little and thus that there could be a god somewhere. Yes that's correct, however that automatically means you can say that about everything, like a purple hippo. I never said there is no god, my point all along was to point out it's rather sad that you insult people because they have a different view than you, while the best effort you could bring forth for your own god was granting him the same existential value as that of a purple hippo.

I seriously can't believe you people got sucked in so easily in all your eagerness to gang up on the big bad admin. All of you combined easily deserve over a dozen infractions. I am convinced that if I had made that post as a regular member in your favor, you all would be liking and repping me like no tomorrow and probably would have turned me into a martyr if I would have gotten banned for it. If I had made that post against you like a regular member, you people would have been reported me en mass. You pretty much act like a bunch of school bullies: you gang up on people, but throws things like "coward" and "snitch" around to avoid your victims telling anyone. However when someone retaliates, you immediately run crying to a higher authority. You only acted this way just because I happen to be an admin.
So those guys that liked your previous post misunderstood it too or somethin?

Also, I see what you mean about Raikage. He made a poor approach and he knew how this thread would go down. Idk why he still does it and now it's rip for him. lol
 
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Science doesn't prove nonexistence. It can disprove evidence, or provide evidence that the existence of God is highly unlikely, or prove various facts that directly contradict the Bible, etc., but science will never be able to 100% prove that God does not exist.
 
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