obito never had hasirama cells???

[God Of NarutoBase]

According to e data book

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The unparalleled recovery ability of Hashirama’s body could even exhibit that ability in the bodies of others. Madara lived on by transplanting into a wound Hashirama’s cells that he obtained in the Battle of the Valley of the End. In addition, by using the Demon Statue as a catalyst, he cultivated living cells to create an artificial body of Hashirama. Even the critically wounded Obito healed his injuries by transplanting half of an artificial body.]

Is this databook 4 the latest one? if it it is then doesn't it contradict BZ statements? Anyway i shouldn't be looking too much into this,since kishi kinda fcked up the kaguya arc.

 

[Joon]

Is this databook 4 the latest one? if it it is then doesn't it contradict BZ statements? Anyway i shouldn't be looking too much into this,since kishi kinda fcked up the kaguya arc.

It doesn't contradict the fact the White Zetsu is made up of Hashirama cells.

 

[ninjarasengan]

According to e data book

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The unparalleled recovery ability of Hashirama’s body could even exhibit that ability in the bodies of others. Madara lived on by transplanting into a wound Hashirama’s cells that he obtained in the Battle of the Valley of the End. In addition, by using the Demon Statue as a catalyst, he cultivated living cells to create an artificial body of Hashirama. Even the critically wounded Obito healed his injuries by transplanting half of an artificial body.]

Data book entries are more like notes written during the planning Stage of the Naruto story. That's why it contradicts itself so much.

this was retconned as the story progressed.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

The common misconceptions were:

a) Black Zetsu was a manifestation of Madara's will.
b) General Uchiha + Senju DNA would awaken the Rinnegan.

It's true that Kaguya used the Shinju to form WZ soldiers, but Madara also achieved with Hashirama's DNA. As evidenced by Oro's Zetsu body:

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Madara used those cells on Obito to save him, hence why he can use Mokuton, has a huge stamina and why his MS eye didn't go blind (or at least no way near as much) as Kakashi's, despite highly intensive usage. It's also the reason that he has Saisei Noryoku.



The time since this subject has ever been questioned...

Yeah it kind of makes sense that he could use mokuton from hashi cells,but the zetsu also come from juubi which kkg is mokuton and the zetsus cells/dna are of a very similar makeup to that of hasirama's,so they could probably grant everything hashi's cell can + it seems you can gain Saisei Noryoku by possesing a zetsu body. So i'm still not convinced.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

It doesn't contradict the fact the White Zetsu is made up of Hashirama cells.

It would unless it's not databook 4

 

[Joon]

Data book entries are more like notes written during the planning Stage of the Naruto story. That's why it contradicts itself so much.

this was retconned as the story progressed.

It would unless it's not databook 4

It doesn't matter

Yeah it kind of makes sense that he could use mokuton from hashi cells,but the zetsu also come from juubi which kkg is mokuton and the zetsus cells/dna are of a very similar makeup to that of hasirama's,so they could probably grant everything hashi's cell can + it seems you can gain Saisei Noryoku by possesing a zetsu body. So i'm still not convinced.

Your focusong too much into what Black Zetsu said, by that logic, Obito does not have Hashirama cells.

You are forgetting that Madara cultivated Hashirama cells into Gedo Statue, changing the White Zetsu makeup.

Kabuto confirms this before strengthen White Zetsu army

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[Scryed]

No he doesn't Madara was misinformed.

The Zetsu were created from the victims of IT through the Shinju and they seem to have some Mokuton abilities because of that though weak. That could also explain why Obito's Mokuton, despite half of his body being that way, was weaker than Madara's, who only had a portion of Hashirama's DNA.

There's no reason for me to believe it's Hashi cells since Madara believed the Zetsu were created from his cells but they weren't. Mokuton seems to be related to the Shinju so I could see why people might sense the similarities between them like Tobirama did with Orochimaru's Zetsu body.


If anything, Hashirama's DNA was merged with the white Zetsu when Kabuto offered to cultivate Hashi's cells to make the Zetsu stronger. Since the fact is that the Zetsu were not created by his cells but people still sensed similarities. Could be because of the similarity between Mokuton and the Shinju though.

 

[Joon]

No he doesn't Madara was misinformed.

The Zetsu were created from the victims of IT through the Shinju and they seem to have some Mokuton abilities because of that though weak. That could also explain why Obito's Mokuton, despite half of his body being that way, was weaker than Madara's, who only had a portion of Hashirama's DNA.

There's no reason for me to believe it's Hashi cells since Madara believed the Zetsu were created from his cells but they weren't. Mokuton seems to be related to the Shinju so I could see why people might sense the similarities between them like Tobirama did with Orochimaru's Zetsu body.

You can't say Wood Release is related to Shinju with no proof.

It was known that Madara inserted Hashirama cells into the Shinju.

 

[Scryed]

You can't say Wood Release is related to Shinju with no proof.

It was known that Madara inserted Hashirama cells into the Shinju.

Mokuton is related to it if it can be used to fuse with the Juubi right? What Madara and Obito did when they jumped on top of it. Mokuton is the Juubi's KKG.

That's the only way I could make sense of it since the Zetsu were not created using Hashirama's cells. Yet, half of Obito's body allowed him to use Mokuton regardless.

I have no evidence but I also haven't been convinced that it isn't possible. In fact, I'm leaning more with there being a connection with Mokuton and the Shinju. It's a matter of opinion right now when it involves Mokuton and the Shinju.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

It doesn't matter



Your focusong too much into what Black Zetsu said, by that logic, Obito does not have Hashirama cells.

You are forgetting that Madara cultivated Hashirama cells into Gedo Statue, changing the White Zetsu makeup.

Kabuto confirms this before strengthen White Zetsu army

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It actually does matter. If it's from the old databook then that means the black zetsu reveal wan't accounted for.

And if you looked at my posts,i mentioned that the zetsu naturally have similar properties with hasi (mokuton,regeneration,vitality e.t.c) and that has nothing to do with hashi cells. I agreed some zetsu were created from hasirama cells expiriments,but those are only clones. The original zetsu came from gedo statue. Madara initial expiriments didn't create any zetsu,he was just deceived. All original zetsu came from gedou. Madara expiriment didn't do jack shit to the zetsus.

 

[Joon]

Mokuton is related to it if it can be used to fuse with the Juubi right? What Madara and Obito did when they jumped on top of it. Mokuton is the Juubi's KKG.

That's the only way I could make sense of it since the Zetsu were not created using Hashirama's cells. Yet, half of Obito's body allowed him to use Mokuton regardless.

I have no evidence but I also haven't been convinced that it isn't possible. In fact, I'm leaning more with there being a connection with Mokuton and the Shinju. It's a matter of opinion right now when it involves Mokuton and the Shinju.

It actually does matter. If it's from the old databook then that means the black zetsu reveal wan't accounted for.

And if you looked at my posts,i mentioned that the zetsu naturally have similar properties with hasi (mokuton,regeneration,vitality e.t.c) and that has nothing to do with hashi cells. I agreed some zetsu were created from hasirama cells expiriments,but those are only clones. The original zetsu came from gedo statue. Madara initial expiriments didn't create any zetsu,he was just deceived. All original zetsu came from gedou. Madara expiriment didn't do jack shit to the zetsus.

No where in the manga said Juubi or Shinju had Wood Release. You cannot even back this up with Manga scans.

Anyway, no one is denying what Black Zetsu said. I am merely saying Madara using Hashirama cells played a part in their gene make up.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

But that was what everyone thought before black zetsu confessed that zetsu weren't made by combining hasirama cells and the gedo mazou. But where instead kaguya soldiers brought out from the gedo.
It's likely that more zetsu clones were created from hasirama cells and the gedo but one very important thing to note is that spiral zetsu,the one fused with obito is one of the original zetsu brought from the gedoand not the cloned one. The truth is obito had no hashi cells and apparently for some reason some here seems to be salty about that.

You can't use mokuton without hashi cells, otherwise it would not be a kekkai genkai. Even the white zetsu that came out of the gedo mazou couldn't use mokuton until they fused with the hashirama clone like Obito did.

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Spiral zetsu couldn't use mokuton without using captain yammato as well.
So you're right about the white zetsu stuff but wrong about obito having zetsu cells because zetsus don't have genetic make up of their own. They're just parasites.

 

[Joon]

You can't use mokuton without hashi cells, otherwise it would not be a kekkai genkai. Even the white zetsu that came out of the gedo mazou couldn't use mokuton until they fused with the hashirama clone like Obito did.

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Spiral zetsu couldn't use mokuton without using captain yammato as well.
So you're right about the white zetsu stuff but wrong about obito having zetsu cells because zetsus don't have genetic make up of their own. They're just parasites.

Again, you focusing too much on Black Zetsu words than what Madara did.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

Again, you focusing too much on Black Zetsu words than what Madara did.

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What exactly are you saying? And I'm taking Spiral zetsu word for it as well as black zetsu.
Madara attached the clone tissue to obito reason being why it is called hashirama's artifical tissue.

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[Punk Hazard]

I really don't understand how years later, people still don't understand that BZ didn't retcon anything we were told in the past.

He said he made it look like the WZ were the product of Hashirama's cells being cultivated in the Gedo Statue. Wouldn't "I made it look that way" mean that it wasn't actually that way?

 

[Joon]

What exactly are you saying? And I'm taking Spiral zetsu word for it as well as black zetsu.
Madara attached the clone tissue to obito reason being why it is called hashirama's artifical tissue.

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I wrongly quoted you and misread what you posted. I thought your arguments were against me.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I wrongly quoted you and misread what you posted. I thought your arguments were against me.

No I quoted @God of Narutobase. I know that you can't use WZ as hashi tissues for anybody because MS Sasuke was placed with multiple white zetsus inside of his body and he still suffered fatigue with no mokuton.

 

[Joon]

No I quoted @God of Narutobase. I know that you can't use WZ as hashi tissues for anybody because MS Sasuke was placed with multiple white zetsus inside of his body and he still suffered fatigue with no mokuton.

Anyway, your wrong. Madara got the tissue from the White Zetsu.

Danzou and Yamato circumstances were different.

Obito was the only one with this procedure.


Sasuke had Zetsu spores on him to spy; and same as Kabuto.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Anyway, your wrong. Madara got the tissue from the White Zetsu.

Danzou and Yamato circumstances were different.

Obito was the only one with this procedure.


Sasuke had Zetsu spores on him to spy; and same as Kabuto.

No he did not, he got it from the clone exactly. Even Spiral zetsu it was hashirama's tissue itself so you're completely wrong. You need a living sacrifice to use bodies for edo tensei which parasite jutsus are not, he attached living clones 6 living clones.
And Sasuke did not get spores on him because spores do not have a structure body, they're just a mush with zetsu heads on them.
Sasuke had the original zetsu attached to him when he clashed with naruto too.

 

[God Of NarutoBase]

No where in the manga said Juubi or Shinju had Wood Release. You cannot even back this up with Manga scans.

Anyway, no one is denying what Black Zetsu said. I am merely saying Madara using Hashirama cells played a part in their gene make up.

Nope,you're wrong again. Black zetsu already revealed the truth. Hasirama cells have nothing to do with and do not exist in the gene make up of the original zetsu from the God tree.

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You can't use mokuton without hashi cells, otherwise it would not be a kekkai genkai. Even the white zetsu that came out of the gedo mazou couldn't use mokuton until they fused with the hashirama clone like Obito did.

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Spiral zetsu couldn't use mokuton without using captain yammato as well.
So you're right about the white zetsu stuff but wrong about obito having zetsu cells because zetsus don't have genetic make up of their own. They're just parasites.

Nope,you're very wrong. Mokuton is the kkg of the juubi just like how the bijuu have their own distinctive kkg. The original zetsu possesses the kkg of the juubi. There's one thing to notice about mokuton and that is the mokuton of the juubi and that of hashirama has some different features. The mokuton of the juubi is much rougher. What proves my point all along in all this is that the mokuton obito first awakened after fusing with the original spiral zetsu was that of the juubi and not hashirama. Obito only had zetsu cells and not hashis.

Also,we've seen zetsu using mokuton without any host.

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