[Discussion] Shanks Sword what is it made out of

[ToshiZO]

I think the Haki introduction was done pretty well crocodile isn't a hand to hand fighter he fights using his logia based devil fruit so he couldn't show his Haki. I think characters have been using Haki for longer then we knew like rob lucci now that I think about it luffy is a robber man but has been hit and hurt by punches even before the Haki was given a name. Without knowing it the enemies of luffy have been using Haki like lucci. Even zoro vs Mr.1 he dodged all the falling rubble while half dead simply stating he knew where the boulders wouldn't fall. Just goes to show the genius of Oda.

Nah Lucci couldn't hurt Luffy with regular attacks. He admitted to it.

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Zoro's observation haki moment could be legit though. Yea.

Aside from that Haki was horribly executed. One of the biggest cluster****s from Oda.

 

[milkydean]

The only inconsistency I find with haki is that the arnament Haki turns black after post skip. Other than that Mantra which is basically haki and Conquerer's haki were introduced pretty early.

 

[RJ22BIG]

The only inconsistency I find with haki is that the arnament Haki turns black after post skip. Other than that Mantra which is basically haki and Conquerer's haki were introduced pretty early.

True I think oda started to make Haki black post timeskip to help identify when Haki was being used I remember in marine forward it had to be announced when somebody used Haki like when white beard attacked Aokiji or when Marco and vista attacked Akainu it always was some fodder announcing Haki which was pretty lame.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

What Caliburn said. However, Caliburn could say that Oda used something like "Break the 4th wall". Meaning that reader won't see this blackening until it is explained.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

He was using Haki. That nothing went black is a completely irrelevant argument as there are numerous examples of characters using Haki, but having no change in their appearance:

- Rayleigh intercepting and blocking Kizaru

- Garp hitting and hurting Luffy multiple times.

- The Boa sisters fighting Luffy

etc.

It's only after the time-skip that the whole blackening thing was introduced. However I don't think this was because Oda hadn't figured out the concept of Haki completely yet as it's simply too important for that. The fact that Shanks already used the KD during the very first chapter indicates Oda always had an idea about this ability. I find it highly unlikely that he neglected it for 600 chapters and then rapidly worked the concept out during the time-skip. Oda most likely intentionally didn't want to draw too much attention towards Haki in the first half of the series.

Till further notice what Shanks uses is a plain, regular cutlass. As Mihawk explained to Zoro: a sword infused with Haki perfectly is almost unbreakable.

Trivia: Oda always had haki planned. However, the fans were so confused on how CoA worked and who had it. Even the editors started to get confused & black haki was the solution. Its also why Luffy used clear haki against the pacifista but suddenly to black haki against Hody.

 

[Arian]

Rayleigh said Haki was an invisible armor so


Instantly melted a sword just by being close to it

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That was Haki.

Physically/chemically speaking, this doesnt make any sense, since it would have to be a few hundred thousand to million degrees celcius in order to instantly vaporize steel. That would be like the core of the sun, and if he was actually that hot everyone on the planet would die instantly. Lava only gets up to like 800-1200 degree celcius... but then again were talking about one piece, where there is a guy whose body is made of lava XD so nevermind. Nice find though

 

[HashiraMadara]

True I think oda started to make Haki black post timeskip to help identify when Haki was being used I remember in marine forward it had to be announced when somebody used Haki like when white beard attacked Aokiji or when Marco and vista attacked Akainu it always was some fodder announcing Haki which was pretty lame.

What Caliburn said. However, Caliburn could say that Oda used something like "Break the 4th wall". Meaning that reader won't see this blackening until it is explained.

* Luffy punched trebol with non black coloured hand and complained why it went through since he was using "haki" :|

* Pekoms fodderisd Caribu with a non black punch while using Haki

* Mingo kicked Issho's sword with non coloured haki

* Mingo sliced Smoker multiple times with non coloured haki infused strings

 

[RJ22BIG]

* Luffy punched trebol with non black coloured hand and complained why it went through since he was using "haki" :|

* Pekoms fodderisd Caribu with a non black punch while using Haki

* Mingo kicked Issho's sword with non coloured haki

* Mingo sliced Smoker multiple times with non coloured haki infused strings

I don't understand what point your trying to make we know Haki isn't always black we've all acknowledged this we even went on to explain that oda used black to know when Haki was being used even the editor was complaining about not know when Haki was used so you listing that is unnecessary

 

[Bogard]

Oda only started including the color of armament post-timeskip. That's why pretimeskip we couldn't see the colors even in the war of the best with multiple top tiers. Like we see with yonko top3 like Cracker however hardening became casual when it comes down to them. Pretty certain that if the seen happened post-timeskip, we'd have seen the hardening Shanks was obviously using at that moment

 

[Simpleatitsbest]

He was using Haki. That nothing went black is a completely irrelevant argument as there are numerous examples of characters using Haki, but having no change in their appearance:

- Rayleigh intercepting and blocking Kizaru

- Garp hitting and hurting Luffy multiple times.

- The Boa sisters fighting Luffy

etc.

It's only after the time-skip that the whole blackening thing was introduced. However I don't think this was because Oda hadn't figured out the concept of Haki completely yet as it's simply too important for that. The fact that Shanks already used the KD during the very first chapter indicates Oda always had an idea about this ability. I find it highly unlikely that he neglected it for 600 chapters and then rapidly worked the concept out during the time-skip. Oda most likely intentionally didn't want to draw too much attention towards Haki in the first half of the series.

Till further notice what Shanks uses is a plain, regular cutlass. As Mihawk explained to Zoro: a sword infused with Haki perfectly is almost unbreakable.

I agree with Oda's decision making here, however I wanted to add an opinion of which I've always had with regards to characters using haki... As we the reader, primarily follow the perspective of the Strawhat's, I always took the absence of colouring as the Strawhats' themselves inability to see the black coating either, it's the knowledge of it's existence that allows other people to see haki being used.. This goes for hardening of course.

Since when did something need to turn black for Haki to have been used?

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Why did you include the picture with Smoker as an example? And Luffy could have been coated in BH against Ceasar, you never quite see his fist at the moment of impact :/

 

[HashiraMadara]

I don't understand what point your trying to make we know Haki isn't always black we've all acknowledged this we even went on to explain that oda used black to know when Haki was being used even the editor was complaining about not know when Haki was used so you listing that is unnecessary

Your post was:

"True I think oda started to make Haki black post timeskip to help identify when Haki was being used I remember in marine forward it had to be announced when somebody used Haki like when white beard attacked Aokiji or when Marco and vista attacked Akainu it always was some fodder announcing Haki which was pretty lame."

Meaning my pointing aren't irrelevant

 

[RJ22BIG]

Your post was:

"True I think oda started to make Haki black post timeskip to help identify when Haki was being used I remember in marine forward it had to be announced when somebody used Haki like when white beard attacked Aokiji or when Marco and vista attacked Akainu it always was some fodder announcing Haki which was pretty lame."

Meaning my pointing aren't irrelevant

No my friend I never said Haki was always black I know there is invisible Haki I was just saying it was hard to tell when Haki was being used even for the editor so oda added in the black hardening aspect to make things clearer and now the majority of times Haki is displayed by the black hardening I never said it wasn't clear anymore or even implied that, that's why I was confused on why I was tagged in on those examples when I've already stated that Haki can be both invisible and black. That's what I meant by my rebuttal to your post.