How strong would MS Sasuke with his Curse Mark be?

[Yata Mirror]

Have you ever read the manga ? Indra always had the strongest chakra while Ashura had the largest chakra reserves.

Naruto needs RSM to match Sasuke's chakra, in other words he needs the chakra of 9 bijuu. And as I said before the only thing that can make Sasuke's chakra stronger is RSM, anything else won't do anything because there's nothing else that can match having Indra and Hagoromo's chakra combined.


When he used bijuu Susanoo his chakra reserves got enhanced not his chakra potency, only RSM can make it stronger.

Dude really??
Sasuke's chakra is more potent than Naruto's base chakra because Sasuke has his Rinnegan active at all times
But Naruto's Rikudo Senjutsu (from RSM) chakra is equal to or more potent than Sasuke's chakra

Wrong Naruto didn't use RSM to match Sasuke's chakra. He used RSM to match Sasuke's Rinnegan.

I don't really see your point now. Initially you said Sasuke's chakra is more potent than Naruto's Rikudo Senjutsu chakra which is completely false.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

He'd have a CS Susanoo, I think.. But he would still need to surpress Orochimaru and the MS strain on top of that could prove troublesome.

 

[BLAZE]

And the stupid alt continues.

you actually believe that :lol
but actually being Demonic's alt would be awesome unlike being someone who can't even spell Chibaku Tensei or Shinra Tensei

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[Guntah]

That's a reason why Sasuke would be at his level. Kcm naruto only receives a portion of the kyuubi's chakra but naruto implied the whole kyuubi. If Sasuke didn't have Susanoo at the time then I would give it to kcm naruto.

Naruto might have said that, but this statement is completely baseless. Naruto knows none of Sasuke's MS techniques, he knows nothing of Kurama's full power. Hell, by feats, Naruto could have easily beaten the Sasuke he met were they to fight. He was practically blind, after all. Not in that situation, seeing as Naruto had been poisoned, but in a one on one battle, the results are obvious. Not to mention, he had no idea of how EMS worked.

Conclusion, either Naruto was being hypothetical or that statement is full of shit.

 

[Guntah]

The entire Indra/Ashura theme has been potent chakra vs. large chakra reserves

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I get the concept, but you're stating that MS Sasuke's chakra is stronger than Kurama's own....while enhanced with Senjutsu, at that. Darker, sure, but stronger? Really??

 

[NarutoX28]

It will provide him with much more power at the expense of greater chakra consumption. The Mangekyo is already an exhaustive technique, so forcibly releasing more of his body's chakra through the Cursed Seal would be catastrophic. I don't think CS MS Sasuke would be a realistic thing at all.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Naruto might have said that, but this statement is completely baseless. Naruto knows none of Sasuke's MS techniques, he knows nothing of Kurama's full power. Hell, by feats, Naruto could have easily beaten the Sasuke he met were they to fight. He was practically blind, after all. Not in that situation, seeing as Naruto had been poisoned, but in a one on one battle, the results are obvious. Not to mention, he had no idea of how EMS worked.

Conclusion, either Naruto was being hypothetical or that statement is full of shit.

Naruto also knew the extent of his sagemode powers and he said that it wasn't enough. And given the fact how he knew Sasuke was powerful enough to fight the gokages and a perfect jinchuuriki, so it's not an outlandish statement to make.
Naruto was able to sense how powerful Sasuke was and even when he ran out of chakra, his chidori was still strong enough to stall mate base naruto's rasengan at base form.

ems is also not so significantly different from ms, it just gives ms no side effects from the ocular techniques with the same powers as before.

 

[Guntah]

Naruto also knew the extent of his sagemode powers and he said that it wasn't enough. And given the fact how he knew Sasuke was powerful enough to fight the gokages and a perfect jinchuuriki, so it's not an outlandish statement to make.
Naruto was able to sense how powerful Sasuke was and even when he ran out of chakra, his chidori was still strong enough to stall mate base naruto's rasengan at base form.

Yeah....but Sasuke was almost blind there. He couldn't even use his Mangekyo anymore.

I bet if Naruto knew that, he wouldn't be so worried.

ems is also not so significantly different from ms, it just gives ms no side effects from the ocular techniques with the same powers as before.

That lack of backlash is exactly what opens the user to the possibility of something like the Perfect Susanoo though. Not to mention Tobirama's statement on how the awakening of new levels allows the user's power to reach new highs with the Sharingan.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yeah....but Sasuke was almost blind there. He couldn't even use his Mangekyo anymore.

I bet if Naruto knew that, he wouldn't be so worried.

That's true he was suffering affects after the battle but we where talking about MS Sasuke in general, not that one instance right there when Sakura actually pose somewhat of a threat against him.

That lack of backlash is exactly what opens the user to the possibility of something like the Perfect Susanoo though. Not to mention Tobirama's statement on how the awakening of new levels allows the user's power to reach new highs with the Sharingan.

There really isn't any new levels after the mangekyo sharingan. Perfect Susanoo can be done by other people who have just mangekyos too with no side effects. Like Indra and Kakashi. Eternal mangekyo is just one of the many ways to keep your eyes from deteriorating.

 

[Guntah]

That's true he was suffering affects after the battle but we where talking about MS Sasuke in general, not that one instance right there when Sakura actually pose somewhat of a threat against him.

Yes we are. That is all Naruto saw of him to make his assumption on how Kurama was needed to fight him. Everything else he knew of him was someone else hyping him up. True, he saw a bit of Indra when he clashed with Sasuke, even if he didn't know what that was, and presumably judged Sasuke's power from that, but that on itself is not a reliable source.

Fact is, Naruto just didn't know better.

There really isn't any new levels after the mangekyo sharingan. Perfect Susanoo can be done by other people who have just mangekyos too with no side effects. Like Indra and Kakashi. Eternal mangekyo is just one of the many ways to keep your eyes from deteriorating.

We never got confirmed WHAT Indra had exactly for that, and Kakashi was a special case due to Rikudo Chakra, which is very impractical to take into account considering how rare it is. Hell, that was probably what Indra had too....

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes we are. That is all Naruto saw of him to make his assumption on how Kurama was needed to fight him. Everything else he knew of him was someone else hyping him up. True, he saw a bit of Indra when he clashed with Sasuke, even if he didn't know what that was, and presumably judged Sasuke's power from that, but that on itself is not a reliable source.

Fact is, Naruto just didn't know better.

I'm lost here. You just admitted that Sasuke who can barely use a mangekyo sharingan technique was in need to be defeated by a naruto with kyuubi's help?
Look, I'm just taking this directly from the source itself. If naruto was able to sense Indra and Asura's chakra since the frog sagemode and his knowledge of him needing kurama still hasn't change since meeting Hagormoo, why would I disagree?
I'm not gonna tell naruto he didn't know better about how powerful he is or Sasuke. They just talked about how only high level shinobis can understand each other when they clash.

We never got confirmed WHAT Indra had exactly for that, and Kakashi was a special case due to Rikudo Chakra, which is very impractical to take into account considering how rare it is. Hell, that was probably what Indra had too....

I'm aware he had rikudou chakra. Rikudou directly or mixing senju dna or even large amounts of biju chakra will give the mangekyo sharing user enough chakra to create a perfect susanoo.

The databook said that perfect susanoo is a mangekyo sharingan technique, meaning mangekyo users with the right amount of chakra can use it. Indra on the other hand without a doubt had a mangekyo sharingan because 3 tomoe alone cannot awaken susanoo let alone perfect susanoo and the rinnegan alone cannot use susanoo either (pein).

 

[LoZelda101]

power-wise it's worthless from itachi's powerlvl and above but it's supportive style would remain useful.
- ex: he'd use oral rebirth to bail him out of near fatal outcomes, create more flanks. etc.

 

[KidGamer65]

Curse Mark is Senjutsu, so he'd be quite a bit stronger than normal. Nothing too dramatic. His tier placement definitely doesn't change any.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He's still in the same lane but he'd be a tad bit stronger.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

He's still in the same lane but he'd be a tad bit stronger.

could this CS2 MS Sasuke react to v2 ay in your opinion :kd:

 

[TRE MERCER]

could this CS2 MS Sasuke react to v2 ay in your opinion :kd:

Hebi Sasuke with CM2 reacts to v2 Ei. There would be no difference here.

 

[The Messiah]

Hebi Sasuke with CM2 reacts to v2 Ei. There would be no difference here.

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