Edo Madara vs Edo Itachi + Edo Nagato

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Location - Random field
Distance - 70m
Intel - Manga
Mindset - IC
Restrictions - Mokuton, PS

-- Madara has sealing tags
-- Team don't because they have Totsuka
-- Nagato is not crippled
 
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The duo will be able to handle themselves against Madara in what would seem like a pretty even match until Perfect Susano'o is used, in which case Itachi will have to successfully use Kotoamatsukami against him before dying.
 

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It all depends on the scale of ET Madara's Rinnegan; if he can use them as powerful as Nagato, then he wins as he's basically combination of his two opponents in one body. However, his complain on FRS with the paragraph, ''too much energy'' raises questions, supplemented that he has inferior Chakra quantity and quality than Nagato as well. So, I'm inclined to say the team wins. There is really no need to restrict Mokuton and PS. Mokuton is food for Preta Path and PS is dealt with Nagato's superior fire-power and Yata Mirror defense.
 

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It all depends on the scale of ET Madara's Rinnegan; if he can use them as powerful as Nagato, then he wins as he's basically combination of his two opponents in one body. However, his complain on FRS with the paragraph, ''too much energy'' raises questions, supplemented that he has inferior Chakra quantity and quality than Nagato as well. So, I'm inclined to say the team wins. There is really no need to restrict Mokuton and PS. Mokuton is food for Preta Path and PS is dealt with Nagato's superior fire-power and Yata Mirror defense.
Didn't know yata wank was a thing in the versus section lol. I would like to know what fire power Nagato has that can deal with PS.
 
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Didn't know yata wank was a thing in the versus section lol. I would like to know what fire power Nagato has that can deal with PS.
Multiple CT's of this would shred it to pieces. Now, you need to address the following:

1). How PS can survive the kinetic energy of gigantic asteroids dropping at it.
2). How PS is bypassing Yata Mirror.
 

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Madara can do everything Nagato can but stronger since he has far more chakra than he does and he's more powerful. Even by feats alone Madara shits on them. CST is needed to deflect Meteors, and Nagato has a cooldown. So he takes out one, then Madara drops another and kills them both. Then we have Mokuryu, Mokuton and all that nonsense during the cooldown Nagato suffers because of the fact he needs CST to deflect a meteor.

Oh wait, Mokuton is restricted. Doesn't matter though. Still has V4 (Or v3 if you think V4 counts as PS) Susanoo and Rinnegan techs.

Madara mid diff.
 
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Multiple CT's of this would shred it to pieces. Now, you need to address the following:

1). How PS can survive the kinetic energy of gigantic asteroids dropping at it.
2). How PS is bypassing Yata Mirror.
I regret quoting you now.

Anyway, Nagato never used tengai shinsei or the ability to drop meteors and yata is featless besides tanking kirin and there is no way of proving it can tank PS fire power. Now if you reply to me with yata wank and giving Nagato feats he never showed I'm not gonna reply to you.
 
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Multiple CT's of this would shred it to pieces. Now, you need to address the following:

1). How PS can survive the kinetic energy of gigantic asteroids dropping at it.
2). How PS is bypassing Yata Mirror.
I think you underestimate how fast Perfect Susano'o can fly, especially if we consider that it's around half as tall as a mountain. It could fly above the meteors pretty fast, like how Sasuke did. But that of course only applies if we ignore the fact Nagato has no way of protecting his Planetary Devastation cores.

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I think you underestimate how fast Perfect Susano'o can fly, especially if we consider that it's around half as tall as a mountain. It could fly above the meteors pretty fast, like how Sasuke did. But that of course only applies if we ignore the fact Nagato has no way of protecting his Planetary Devastation cores.

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You're speculating a construction much bigger than Sasuke's PS can maneuver just as good as him. Even if we assumed that's correct, Nagato would repel it with ST back down for the meteor to crush it.


I regret quoting you now.

Anyway, Nagato never used shingai tensei or the ability to drop meteors and yata is featless besides tanking kirin and there is no way of proving it can tank PS fire power. Now if you reply to me with yata wank and giving Nagato feats he never showed I'm not gonna reply to you.
Chibaku Tensei can be created as meteor and stationed at any position the user desires, as Nagato showed. Yata blocks those slashes based on databook statement said by the author.

I don't blame you for regretting. You're still new here, little fodder.
 

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You're speculating a construction much bigger than Sasuke's PS can maneuver just as good as him. Even if we assumed that's correct, Nagato would repel it with ST back down for the meteor to crush it.
The Databook specifies Madara's Perfect Susano'o can fly, so I don't see why it would be any less so than Sasuke's or Kakashi's, especially when your speculating the size difference between them. But if we're going with the assumption he has this agility, than I can't see how Nagato pushes him back down. Madara can throw his swords, or just use his "shockwaves" to kill Nagato or his bird summon. Nagato's only defense against this is Almighty Push, which would allow for Madara to push through the interval and destroy either him or the core(s).
 

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The Databook specifies Madara's Perfect Susano'o can fly, so I don't see why it would be any less so than Sasuke's or Kakashi's, especially when your speculating the size difference between them. But if we're going with the assumption he has this agility, than I can't see how Nagato pushes him back down. Madara can throw his swords, or just use his "shockwaves" to kill Nagato or his bird summon. Nagato's only defense against this is Almighty Push, which would allow for Madara to push through the interval and destroy either him or the core(s).
I didn't deny Madara's PS can't fly. I said due to its larger size, it's illogical that it can maneuver the same way Sasuke's PS. And yes, Madara's PS is significantly bigger than Sasuke's, when you compare them.

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A defenseless Hashirama was able to evade those slashes from point-blank range, so I don't see them touching Nagato when they are on air and easy to predict.
 

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I didn't deny Madara's PS can't fly. I said due to its larger size, it's illogical that it can maneuver the same way Sasuke's PS. And yes, Madara's PS is significantly bigger than Sasuke's, when you compare them.
I don't believe that Kishimoto's scaling is accurate, especially when you compare them from two completely different angles like that. It's also highly illogical for Madara to have a different size when Sasuke and Kakashi didn't.

A defenseless Hashirama was able to evade those slashes from point-blank range, so I don't see them touching Nagato when they are on air and easy to predict.
The attacks don't even have to hit Nagato. Before I get into that though, we must establish some sort of limit for Nagato. The Planetary Devastation he used on Naruto of that size put him in extreme stress and used a lot of chakra. Of course, he has more endurance under the Impure World Resurrection technique, but we've been shown they can still run out of chakra for a while. Two of that size would be impossible for Nagato during his real life, so I can't see him making more than five here, especially when he has to stop in the middle of his technique multiple times to stop Madara's attacks, making it even slower and harder on him. Now to get into that, it will be wasted effort anyways. Accounting for the Almighty Push interval, the vast space between the cores, and the speed at which Madara can throw his swords or slash/"shockwave", Nagato is only going to be able to really protect one core, and when it comes down to that Madara can easily evade the meteor's impact by flying horizontally, which can be done while he attacks since he doesn't even have to aim correctly due to the gravity doing the work for him (also making his attacks even faster).
 

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I don't believe that Kishimoto's scaling is accurate, especially when you compare them from two completely different angles like that. It's also highly illogical for Madara to have a different size when Sasuke and Kakashi didn't.
You're grasping straws. There are only few times Kishimoto inconsistently drew Sasuke's PS, but most of the time, depicts Madara's PS the bigger of the three. There should be no surprise to this. Madara continuously showing techniques on a much bigger scale than Sasuke ever did - E.g. Katon techniques. Every author of a manga must use a scaling equipment to keep his drawing consistent, even with minor mistakes.

The attacks don't even have to hit Nagato. Before I get into that though, we must establish some sort of limit for Nagato. The Planetary Devastation he used on Naruto of that size put him in extreme stress and used a lot of chakra. Of course, he has more endurance under the Impure World Resurrection technique, but we've been shown they can still run out of chakra for a while. Two of that size would be impossible for Nagato during his real life, so I can't see him making more than five here, especially when he has to stop in the middle of his technique multiple times to stop Madara's attacks, making it even slower and harder on him. Now to get into that, it will be wasted effort anyways. Accounting for the Almighty Push interval, the vast space between the cores, and the speed at which Madara can throw his swords or slash/"shockwave", Nagato is only going to be able to really protect one core, and when it comes down to that Madara can easily evade the meteor's impact by flying horizontally, which can be done while he attacks since he doesn't even have to aim correctly due to the gravity doing the work for him (also making his attacks even faster).
Are you purposely ignoring that Nagato had already used most of his Chakra prior to CT? Let's please stop with the dishonesty. You're seriously underestimating Nagato's monstrous levels of Chakra.

  • He was distributing his Chakra to six bodies, which Shizune estimates to be huge amount. [ ]
  • The usage of Rinnegan techniques that even Obito acknowledged it would spend his Chakra big time, and we know Obito's big reserves of Chakra.
  • Levelling up Konoha which is around 70km-120km of size.
  • Fighting SM Naruto at the same rate as he fought Konoha.
  • Creating an asteroid composed of 12 mountain surface and earth's layer.
  • Revived thousands of Konoha citizens at his last breath, while Obito can only revive one person at a time.
The op's condition states this is a young Nagato, meaning he doesn't suffer from illness and old age. There is nothing that contradicts he can't create two or more of that magnitude, rather there is existing proof he is capable without putting strain on himself.

The flaw within your second point is you're assuming the output force of those slashes is cutting through a dense layer of structure. Let me show here:

A slash of PS would appear relatively like this:
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The blue represents PS height and its destructive capacity, being only to cut mountain. You can see a fragment of CT alone being the size of a mountain and PS in that, so at best it's cutting through only that particular fragment. Your case here is you need to prove Madara is able to cut through a satellite that's times bigger and denser than the mountains Madara cut, which he lacks by feats.
 

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You're grasping straws. There are only few times Kishimoto inconsistently drew Sasuke's PS, but most of the time, depicts Madara's PS the bigger of the three. There should be no surprise to this. Madara continuously showing techniques on a much bigger scale than Sasuke ever did - E.g. Katon techniques. Every author of a manga must use a scaling equipment to keep his drawing consistent, even with minor mistakes.
I would say grasping at straws would be attempting to compare such different angles. There's no way Kishimoto is going to take the time to scale correctly unless something is being directly compared to it, like another large structure, which has only been done with Wood Style: Wood Human Technique. We can obviously tell all the other Susano'o versions are equal in size, so Perfect Susano'o being any different makes no sense. Madara's fire techniques were matched in size by Obito, who is obviously weaker, so I doubt Sasuke wouldn't be able to do the same.

Are you purposely ignoring that Nagato had already used most of his Chakra prior to CT? Let's please stop with the dishonesty. You're seriously underestimating Nagato's monstrous levels of Chakra.

  • He was distributing his Chakra to six bodies, which Shizune estimates to be huge amount. [ ]
  • The usage of Rinnegan techniques that even Obito acknowledged it would spend his Chakra big time, and we know Obito's big reserves of Chakra.
  • Levelling up Konoha which is around 70km-120km of size.
  • Fighting SM Naruto at the same rate as he fought Konoha.
  • Creating an asteroid composed of 12 mountain surface and earth's layer.
  • Revived thousands of Konoha citizens at his last breath, while Obito can only revive one person at a time.
The op's condition states this is a young Nagato, meaning he doesn't suffer from illness and old age. There is nothing that contradicts he can't create two or more of that magnitude, rather there is existing proof he is capable without putting strain on himself.

The flaw within your second point is you're assuming the output force of those slashes is cutting through a dense layer of structure. Let me show here:

A slash of PS would appear relatively like this:
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The blue represents PS height and its destructive capacity, being only to cut mountain. You can see a fragment of CT alone being the size of a mountain and PS in that, so at best it's cutting through only that particular fragment. Your case here is you need to prove Madara is able to cut through a satellite that's times bigger and denser than the mountains Madara cut, which he lacks by feats.
I stated him in his state against Naruto couldn't perform two, not in a fresh state. This is why I gave him the benefit of around five. Konan implied that Planetary Devastation at the time was fatal. This means even in his fresh state it is a stressful technique. If I'm not wrong as well, he doesn't suffer from anything except for loss of legs and his age is of no concern seeing as he was quite young against Naruto. He definitely doesn't make more than seven at a time in this scenario, and that may be pushing it.

I wasn't saying Madara would be able to cut through the entire technique, at least not without having Perfect Susano'o fly through it like Sasuke. Planetary Devastation takes time to collect rocks and become that large, and obviously Madara knows what it is, so he's going to attack the cores before they even have rock touching them. As stated, Nagato cannot protect all of them under the conditions of the vast distance, his time interval, and the fact the gravity makes Madara's attacks even faster.
 
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