It's still BSM but different design because he has Hagoromo's chakra now. RSM gives Naruto the identical tomoe pattern JuubiJins possess because it's a sign that he's using Six Path Senjutu which is the power of a Juubi Jinchuuriki.
That's not it. The question you were supposed to be asking is if the rsm naruto used in vote 2 is the same with the one adult naruto uses.. you said it's the same and it just changed due to naruto having kurama other half and it became stronger. WHILE ME,I ARGUED THAT IT ISN'T THE SAME,IT'S DIFFERENT CAUSE IT'S LACKING THE OTHER BIJUUS CHAKRA OR SOMETHING AND NOT BECAUSE NARUTO HAS MORE KURAMA CHAKRA,AND IT'S ALSO WEAKER THAN THE FORMER ONE NARUTO USED SINCE THERE IS NO GUDODAMA,FLIGHT AND OTHER THINGS.
No need to go all caps on me, keyboard warrior. I took some liberties and expanded it a bit to include the Last, for the sake of argument. Looking back, the strength argument came out as more of a sidenote thing, really
But I think there's enough space in Narutobase asking if Naruto's RSM had a decrease in strength. One thing at a time though.
madara already explained that. obito was able to use rikudou senjutsu even though he wasn't the juubi jin after he absorbed some rikudou chakra from madara because he was a former juubi jin.
You don't have to have Six Paths Sage Mode to use Six Paths Sage chakra. Sasuke had Six Paths Sage chakra while carrying Hagoromo's seal but that doesn't mean he's going to attain the mode. Similarly and more contrastingly, Kakashi who obtained Obito's same chakra did not manifest Truth-Seeking Spheres. Why did Obito then? Simply because, as Madara states, he was already accustomed to the power and thus it had a link with him. He still wasn't using Six Paths Sage Mode though.
Because Obito wasn't a Juubi Jinchuuriki, but he did have his TSB which is another sign of someone possessing Six Path Senjutsu. In addition to the pattern Naruto lacked the TSB which is further proof he wasn't using RSM.
Sorry, the way you worded your previous reply was a bit confusing then, since you made it sound as though RSM in itself is proof that someone is using Six paths chakra which by extension would me that using six paths chakra would automatically cause you to enter the mode.
No need to go all caps on me, keyboard warrior. I took some liberties and expanded it a bit to include the Last, for the sake of argument. Looking back, the strength argument came out as more of a sidenote thing, really
But I think there's enough space in Narutobase asking if Naruto's RSM had a decrease in strength. One thing at a time though.
ok,but the last naruto wasn't using rsm because he still had the pigments of tsm on his eyes. But it's still complicated since he could fly and didn't have to absorb NE to enter that state. So it's likely there were some rikudou elements in that form,or it's just animators doing whatever they want.
You don't have to have Six Paths Sage Mode to use Six Paths Sage chakra. Sasuke had Six Paths Sage chakra while carrying Hagoromo's seal but that doesn't mean he's going to attain the mode. Similarly and more contrastingly, Kakashi who obtained Obito's same chakra did not manifest Truth-Seeking Spheres. Why did Obito then? Simply because, as Madara states, he was already accustomed to the power and thus it had a link with him. He still wasn't using Six Paths Sage Mode though.
Six paths sage mode is something unique to Naruto according to the databook. The process of obtaining the Juubi's chakra does not make you a user of RSM but of The ten tails coffin seal which is why neither Obito nor Kakashi would enter the mode despite getting six paths chakra. My point is that if we assume that having six paths sage chakra = Juubi pattern on the back then Obito who was using six paths chakra cannot have been using six paths chakra in these panels which of course makes no sense.
Six paths sage mode is something unique to Naruto according to the databook. The process of obtaining the Juubi's chakra does not make you a user of RSM but of The ten tails coffin seal which is why neither Obito nor Kakshi would enter the mode. My point is that if we assume that having six paths sage chakra = Juubi pattern on the back then Obito who was using six paths chakra cannot have been using six paths chakra which of course makes no sense.
The Ten-Tails Coffin Seal is a seal however, not a mode, which is why I collectively call both the mode of the Ten-Tails' hosts and Naruto's the same (which they practically are in all respects). I see however that you corrected yourself above, so I will further point out that I too am not saying having Six Paths Sage chakra gives you the pattern, as I gave specific examples countering that, but that having Six Paths Sage Mode itself means having the pattern.
ok,but the last naruto wasn't using rsm because he still had the pigments of tsm on his eyes. But it's still complicated since he could fly and didn't have to absorb NE to enter that state. So it's likely there were some rikudou elements in that form,or it's just animators doing whatever they want.
Okay, I'll give you that. I think it was for the sake of not giving away too many spoilers, since RSM hadn't been animated at that point....which makes no sense, as Sasuke's RInnegan was clear as day in his brief cameo, but its the best answer I can come up with to justify that.
Boruto the movie was most likely the animators just ****ing around though.
Six paths sage mode is something unique to Naruto according to the databook. The process of obtaining the Juubi's chakra does not make you a user of RSM but of The ten tails coffin seal which is why neither Obito nor Kakashi would enter the mode despite getting six paths chakra. My point is that if we assume that having six paths sage chakra = Juubi pattern on the back then Obito who was using six paths chakra cannot have been using six paths chakra in these panels which of course makes no sense.
Six Paths Senjutsu: The term for a special kind of senjutsu that can't simply be replicated by shoving Rikudou chakra with natural energy. It's the mother power, if you will - and always presents itself with the unique markings you see here:
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It's only been known to awaken in two forms: Naruto's Rikudou Sage Mode (see above), and Juubi Coffin Seal:
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RSM/RSBM and JCS (Juubi Jin) are the offspring powers. Distinct, but similar in that both hold the chakra of all the Biju - the only real difference is that one is merged back into the Jubi, and other remains in pieces.
It's really impossible to tell. We have five sources of different appearances. The fact his appearance is changed even from the Boruto movie and manga makes it even more a mystery. His form from The Last: Naruto the Movie however is definitely not related to Six Paths Sage Mode. Madara signified it by the appearance on Naruto's back, so I don't consider any other forms except for the original to be the complete form with chakra from all Tailed Beasts. It is very likely though that the latest revisions will be labeled as it.
So far there's only been one true original rsm cloak design,with 9 magatamas and the rinnegan symbol same as all others who had hagoromo's senjutsu.
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The other cloaks ever showed right from the last movie,have only been kurama bijuu mode cloaks with little retouches here and there by either the movie animators or the new artists. There has never really been a redesign,it's still really old kurama bijuu cloak.
Six Paths Senjutsu: The term for a special kind of senjutsu that can't simply be replicated by shoving Rikudou chakra with natural energy. It's the mother power, if you will - and always presents itself with the unique markings you see here:
It's only been known to awaken in two forms: Naruto's Rikudou Sage Mode (see above), and Juubi Coffin Seal:
RSM/RSBM and JCS (Juubi Jin) are the offspring powers. Distinct, but similar in that both hold the chakra of all the Biju - the only real difference is that one is merged back into the Jubi, and other remains in pieces.
I'm well aware of what each of these are. Like I previously said, my point is that if we assume that using six paths senjutsu will automatically give you the Juubi pattern as an argument for Nauto not using that power in OP pictures, then by this logic Obito wasn't using the six paths Senjutsu either even though it is explicitly stated that he was and even created a Gudodama.
Since some people have difficulty understanding the blatant manga facts,
This is RSM
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There is no chakra cloak, no magatama or "Rinnegan" symbol, no gudoudama and etc. But it is still RSM.
This Naruto was able to touch Madara's gudoudama
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And sense Madara's Limbo
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Limbo can only be seen with Rinnegan, and can only be sensed with RSM.
This is RSM when Naruto is using Bijuu chakra
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This is RSM when Naruto is using Kurama's chakra
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Note there is no pigmentation around Naruto's eyes. RSM.
Naruto has not lost RSM or any of its abilities. Flight is something that is natural for RSM users, Naruto can't lose this. Gudoudama is something that RSM users can create at will, as Kaguya has shown. She didn't have them floating behind her constantly. Naruto has not lost this either.
Common RSM misconceptions
-Naruto needs all 9 Bijuu chakra for RSM: False. RSM is from Hagoromo's chakra, not the Bijuu
-Naruto needs all 9 Bijuu chakra for gudoudama: False. Gudoudama is from all 5 elements and Yin-Yang Release
-Naruto has lost RSM because he used up Hagoromo's chakra in VOTE2: False. Both Naruto and Sasuke still have the chakra and abilities that came with it.
The only thing I agree with in this entire thread is that rsm is the form he had when he kicked mads' tsb, healed gai, and threw a lavaRS. What a clusterfu ck of a thread
Six paths sage mode is something unique to Naruto according to the databook. The process of obtaining the Juubi's chakra does not make you a user of RSM but of The ten tails coffin seal which is why neither Obito nor Kakashi would enter the mode despite getting six paths chakra. My point is that if we assume that having six paths sage chakra = Juubi pattern on the back then Obito who was using six paths chakra cannot have been using six paths chakra in these panels which of course makes no sense.
It's quite simple. Becoming the juubi jinchuuriki grants you six paths senjutsu,not just obtaining it's chakra. The rinnegan and nine magamata pattern only appears on the backs of full-fledged six path senjutsu users. obito was using six paths senjutsu but he could only use so little from the small chakra he absorbed from madara. Naruto rsm is unique because unlike the others who gain six paths senjutsu by becoming the juubi jin. Naruto gained his by combining his six paths chaakra with his toad senjutsu.. That's why it's called six paths sage mode.
It's quite simple. Becoming the juubi jinchuuriki grants you six paths senjutsu,not just obtaining it's chakra. The rinnegan and nine magamata pattern only appears on the backs of full-fledged six path senjutsu users. obito was using six paths senjutsu but he could only use so little from the small chakra he absorbed from madara. Naruto rsm is unique because unlike the others who gain six paths senjutsu by becoming the juubi jin. Naruto gained his by combining his six paths chaakra with his toad senjutsu.. That's why it's called six paths sage mode.
Both becoming the Juubi jin and just getting its chakra should give you six paths senjutsu since six paths senjutsu comes from the combination of all bijuu chakra to begin with, which is precisely what the juubi chakra is and how Obito got that chakra from madara = by stealing it without becoming the Juubi jin.
The issue here is that you ae confusing six paths chakra with six paths sage mode. You can use six paths sage chakra yet not be in Rikudo sage mode, the Juubi jin is not considered to be a RSM user in the databook even though he should logically have far more chakra than Naruto, so its not about quantity.
Also, we don't know if combing toad senjutsu has anything to do with six paths sage mode, all we know is that Obito stole pieces of the chakra from Ichibi and Hachibi to give to Naruto because he "knew which bijuu chakra he lacked" presumably to awaken six paths senjutsu.
Since some people have difficulty understanding the blatant manga facts,
This is RSM
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There is no chakra cloak, no magatama or "Rinnegan" symbol, no gudoudama and etc. But it is still RSM.
This Naruto was able to touch Madara's gudoudama
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And sense Madara's Limbo
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Limbo can only be seen with Rinnegan, and can only be sensed with RSM.
This is RSM when Naruto is using Bijuu chakra
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This is RSM when Naruto is using Kurama's chakra
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Note there is no pigmentation around Naruto's eyes. RSM.
Naruto has not lost RSM or any of its abilities. Flight is something that is natural for RSM users, Naruto can't lose this. Gudoudama is something that RSM users can create at will, as Kaguya has shown. She didn't have them floating behind her constantly. Naruto has not lost this either.
Common RSM misconceptions
-Naruto needs all 9 Bijuu chakra for RSM: False. RSM is from Hagoromo's chakra, not the Bijuu
-Naruto needs all 9 Bijuu chakra for gudoudama: False. Gudoudama is from all 5 elements and Yin-Yang Release
-Naruto has lost RSM because he used up Hagoromo's chakra in VOTE2: False. Both Naruto and Sasuke still have the chakra and abilities that came with it.
I agree with most parts,but in the databook entry when kishi showed rsm with the cloak,he didn't state anything like the cloak is gotten from all bijuu or kurama or something.
How was naruto flying in the last,if that wasn't rsm.
If naruto still has all his rsm abilities no matter which cloak he's using,then why haven't we seen his gudoudama?,why haven't we seen him flying?
It's still complicated but it all will be revealed soon
Since some people have difficulty understanding the blatant manga facts,
This is RSM
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There is no chakra cloak, no magatama or "Rinnegan" symbol, no gudoudama and etc. But it is still RSM.
This Naruto was able to touch Madara's gudoudama
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And sense Madara's Limbo
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Limbo can only be seen with Rinnegan, and can only be sensed with RSM.
This is RSM when Naruto is using Bijuu chakra
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This is RSM when Naruto is using Kurama's chakra
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Note there is no pigmentation around Naruto's eyes. RSM.
Naruto has not lost RSM or any of its abilities. Flight is something that is natural for RSM users, Naruto can't lose this. Gudoudama is something that RSM users can create at will, as Kaguya has shown. She didn't have them floating behind her constantly. Naruto has not lost this either.
Common RSM misconceptions
-Naruto needs all 9 Bijuu chakra for RSM: False. RSM is from Hagoromo's chakra, not the Bijuu
-Naruto needs all 9 Bijuu chakra for gudoudama: False. Gudoudama is from all 5 elements and Yin-Yang Release
-Naruto has lost RSM because he used up Hagoromo's chakra in VOTE2: False. Both Naruto and Sasuke still have the chakra and abilities that came with it.
RSM = Rikudou Sage Mode - i.e. Rikudou chakra mixed with natural energy.
RSBM = Rikudou Senjutsu Bijuu Mode - The sort of counter part to the Juubi Jin and their Coffin Seal. This uses a distinct and highly powerful form of senjutsu that comes with unique traits - the Gudoudamas, the universal comprehension etc.
Kishimoto made it very clear by showing Naruto's back, when Madara noted Naruto's power. The same kind of visually descriptive shot he used with Sasuke, by showing the Rinnegan when Madara noted it.
