How much more powerful than madara was hashirama

[Dizzldot]

So hashirama beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time. He solo'd the other most powerful ninja of all time along with the most powerful bijuu besides the juubi. so 2X more powerful? or like 4X

 

[BlacLord™]

Between 1.5x and 2x more powerful than Madara alone.

As for the Juubi, he did single-handedly restrain its movements and suppressed its power in a weaker Edo state. An impressive feat that the entire ASF struggled to do (and inevitably failed to do) combined.

 

[Tonybeeth]

I'd say 3. hashirama's wood had a specific counter for bijuu chakra hence why kyuubi was subdued after their clash. Besides that Hashirama is gifted in ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, senjutsu. Madara also has these skills (except senjutsu) but Hashi's potent reserves are ridiculous.

 

[Guntah]

1.5

People often forget that he has BIG advantage over the Kyuubi, after all. I don't think he would've beat Madara and the Kyuubi if the Mokuton didn't have the effect it has on Bijuu.

 

[Dizzldot]

I'd say 3. hashirama's wood had a specific counter for bijuu chakra hence why kyuubi was subdued after their clash. Besides that Hashirama is gifted in ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, senjutsu. Madara also has these skills (except senjutsu) but Hashi's potent reserves are ridiculous.

I agree wight his. There's no way only 1.5, I understand he has a advantage over bijuu with chakra drainage but like he still fought a bijuu combined with madara in a majestic armor and stomped it with shinsuusenju. He has the biggest battle avatar of the series along with the dragon and golem he's literally destruction. Along with the ability to cover an entire battlefield in his wood forest and flower with poison pollen. Not to mention his chakra was not only potent, his reserves he said BSM naruto was "comparable" to his which most likely means less. If he has more chakra than an ashura transmigrant Uzumaki and 50% kurama his reserves are literally ridiculous not even fair tbh

 

[Styles]

He didn't beat Madara and Kurama at the same time though. He and Madara was both out of chakra and in bad shape. Hashirama beat Madara by using a Mokuton feint.

Not to mention Mokuton is known to absorb bijuu chakra and it still got destroyed by iso Susano'o. Even SS did.

I'd say he's stronger but not by far.

 

[lndra]

Considering Madara can't even stand up to SM Hashirama without the Kyuubi, and SM Hashirama still overpowered him.

It's pretty obvious it's by a large margin.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

If you take away kurama id say quite a bit

 

[Jiren]

Hashirama was pretty strong. 1.5x or 2x.

 

[KidGamer65]

The difference between Mokujin and Shinsuusenju is the difference between Hashirama and Madara's powers as Madara can only match the former.

 

[Yokaze Sama]

Not by a large margin. Based on overall skill I view them as pretty much equal, with Madara having an edge in terms of intellegence and knowledge, while Hashirama exceeds him in terms of power output and battle tactics.

While alot of people argue that Madara was dependent on the Kyuubis power to even challenge Hashirama, I believe that he simply took control of it to add it to his arsenal and obviously to eventually combine it with the other bijuus. The battle outcome would have been the same even without the Kyuubi. It's just that the Kyuubi offered him a chance to change his battle strategy, possibly to be less predictable since they fought alot and know each others powers.

EDIT: However I might as well be completely misinformed and just making shit up, but that's really just the way I see things. xD

 

[Styles]

Not by a large margin. Based on overall skill I view them as pretty much equal, with Madara having an edge in terms of intellegence and knowledge, while Hashirama exceeds him in terms of power output and battle tactics.

While alot of people argue that Madara was dependent on the Kyuubis power to even challenge Hashirama, I believe that he simply took control of it to add it to his arsenal and obviously to eventually combine it with the other bijuus. The battle outcome would have been the same even without the Kyuubi. It's just that the Kyuubi offered him a chance to change his battle strategy, possibly to be less predictable since they fought alot and know each others powers.

EDIT: However I might as well be completely misinformed and just making shit up, but that's really just the way I see things. xD

That's why i don't understand when people say Hashirama rek'd Madara and Kurama when Madara and Hashirama was in the same state and nearly out of chakra. Hashirama "won" because of a Mokuton feint but even then the whole point of that fight for Madara was to acquire his DNA so he can go with his plans. Don't get me wrong Hashirama won but it wasn't a stomp like people say.

 

[Dizzldot]

That's why i don't understand when people say Hashirama rek'd Madara and Kurama when Madara and Hashirama was in the same state and nearly out of chakra. Hashirama "won" because of a Mokuton feint but even then the whole point of that fight for Madara was to acquire his DNA so he can go with his plans. Don't get me wrong Hashirama won but it wasn't a stomp like people say.

If you're fighting the most powerful bijuu as well its a stomp if you win imo even if wood style is the counter you still need to fight it off and 100% kurama is supremely powerful its about 50% of the juubi from what I read so imagine fighting that thing while fighting madara like its two enemies with extreme power levels and he still won mouton feint or not he won taking credit away from that means sasuke killing danzo while he himself getting hit doesnt count as a win because he needed karin so really MS sasuke=Danzo which most wont agree with

 

[Styles]

If you're fighting the most powerful bijuu as well its a stomp if you win imo even if wood style is the counter you still need to fight it off and 100% kurama is supremely powerful its about 50% of the juubi from what I read so imagine fighting that thing while fighting madara like its two enemies with extreme power levels and he still won mouton feint or not he won taking credit away from that means sasuke killing danzo while he himself getting hit doesnt count as a win because he needed karin so really MS sasuke=Danzo which most wont agree with

That's not a stomp especially if you have power that absorb its chakra and can put it to sleep. Even after that Hashirama for someone that could heal his wounds was in worse shape than Madara was in. Ain't no body taking credit from his Mokuton feint but it didn't do anything since Madara used Izanagi since he got what he wanted during that fight.
Why are you bringing Sasuke in this? And even then he didn't need Karin during that fight karin only helped Sasuke when Danzo was already defeated. Its like everytime you post you bring Sasuke into it.

 

[Dizzldot]

That's not a stomp especially if you have power that absorb its chakra and can put it to sleep. Even after that Hashirama for someone that could heal his wounds was in worse shape than Madara was in. Ain't no body taking credit from his Mokuton feint but it didn't do anything since Madara used Izanagi since he got what he wanted during that fight.
Why are you bringing Sasuke in this? And even then he didn't need Karin during that fight karin only helped Sasuke when Danzo was already defeated. Its like everytime you post you bring Sasuke into it.

No Im just playing your game with naruto, Im using the comparison to prove my point sasuke needed karin in that fight or it would have been a draw with them both dying you can't deny this unless you're actually super dumb or ignorant or playing stupid.

But once again so hashirama having wood style makes it not a stomp is like me saying sasuke using preta to absorb bijuu chakra isn't impressive since he has the power thats necessary to do it lmfao you hypocrite

 

[Styles]

No Im just playing your game with naruto, Im using the comparison to prove my point sasuke needed karin in that fight or it would have been a draw with them both dying you can't deny this unless you're actually super dumb or ignorant or playing stupid.

But once again so hashirama having wood style makes it not a stomp is like me saying sasuke using preta to absorb bijuu chakra isn't impressive since he has the power thats necessary to do it lmfao you hypocrite

Not even Danzo even said Sasuke won Obito said Sasuke won. Danzo was bleeding out Sasuke wasn't. Just because Karin was there to heal Sasuke when the fight was over doesn't mean anything. That's like saying Danzo shouldn't have been dying because Hashirama's DNA boosted his physical abilities ie stamina chakra all of that.

Wow you don't know what a stomp is I'm done here. and what you said don't even make sense.

 

[Dizzldot]

Not even Danzo even said Sasuke won Obito said Sasuke won. Danzo was bleeding out Sasuke wasn't. Just because Karin was there to heal Sasuke when the fight was over doesn't mean anything. That's like saying Danzo shouldn't have been dying because Hashirama's DNA boosted his physical abilities ie stamina chakra all of that.

Wow you don't know what a stomp is I'm done here. and what you said don't even make sense.

Sasuke collapsed to the floor without immediate medical care he would've died stop tapping so hard I can't believe you'll even deny when a character was obviously gravely injured for the sake of tapping
@BOld that comparison couldn't have been any stupider I just lost 50 IQ points good thing I'm mensa and they come cheap

 

[SenseiSama]

They were equal.

Madara used his eye power to control Kurama just as Naruto uses his body power to control Kurama.

Madara's eyes matched Hashirama's body


They both ran out of power at the same time, they were both in base mode and nearly out of chakra by the end of the fight. Hashi had enough to use Mokuton clone, Madara had enough to use Izanagi, they both survived but Madara could've killed him after using Izanagi if he didn't plan on cheating his death.

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[Dizzldot]

They were equal.

Madara used his eye power to control Kurama just as Naruto uses his body power to control Kurama.

Madara's eyes matched Hashirama's body


They both ran out of power at the same time, they were both in base mode and nearly out of chakra by the end of the fight. Hashi had enough to use Mokuton clone, Madara had enough to use Izanagi, they both survived but Madara could've killed him after using Izanagi if he didn't plan on cheating his death.

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Kurama's body matched hashirama's body because he was under the control of madara don't get a summoning and a jinchuriki twisted hoomie

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

He defeated Madara not the kyuubi. Last time I checked the kyuubi was alive, well, and undamaged.