Adult Sasuke w/ Bijuu PS vs. SM Hashirama, EMS Madara w/ kyuubi and DMS Kakashi
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Based on nothing. Nothing Sasuke did besides Indra's Arrow was above Shinsuusenju in terms of damage output.
Carving out VOTE>making a small crater with a physical strike
Carving out VOTE>Mountain level lightning arrows
Indra's arrow is warped away by Kamui shurikens. The rest of Sasuke's arsenal is irrelevant.
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Bijuu Ps blitzed RSM Naruto[
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] who reaction and speed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hashirama. Sasuke teleports above SS and before Hashirama can even get a thought out SS is already turned into this.
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Yea you sound crazy as usual but. Madara Ps blades shredded SS. Sasuke Ps which is much stronger does the same. Indra arrow isn't even needed. This is basically Kakashi by himself since Madara and Hashirama adds 0. Genjutsu one shots Madara and Hashirama if need be or he could make them the core to his CT. Either way you could replace them with Tenten and Konohamaru and the results would be the same.
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No, the panel you presented shows that Sasuke could realistically get a hit off on the statue, which would do nothing. No clue where you got the idea that the statue would be destroyed before reaction is possible.
That idea doesn't even begin to follow from what that panel presents. Sasuke gets one hit off just like he did to Naruto, then the statue's arms simply smack him away.
The rotating blades of Perfect Susano'o chopped the arms that it came into contact with. Sasuke's blades don't move at such a velocity.
Madara w/Kurama is stronger than Sasuke since Majestic Attire is stronger than Perfect Susano'o on it's lonesome. Not a hard concept to understand.
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Are you stupid? Multiple hits being unleashed on SS is happening. Naruto reacted after Sasuke let off one hit. Hashirama still wouldn't be reacting due to his reaction feats being shitty. Hashirama was blitzed by v1 Juubito. Rinnegan Sasuke Ameno blitz is tiers above that since JJ Madara couldn't even react to it. Sasuke gets off multiple hits end of discussion.
Don't need to since they are much more stronger. Which would suffice over the momentum.
Madara with Kurama is stronger than Rinnegan Sasuke with 9 bijuu? SMHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Where is the counter for genjutsu?
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Hashirama's clone was hit by Obito and that wasn't even a blitz to begin with, hence why Hiruzen followed the movement and Tobirama planted multiple tags on him. Sasuke doesn't possess Obito's speed anyway considering he had trouble hitting Blind Madara.
A blitz is not perceiving your foe's movement even mentally and Sasuke has done nothing of the sort to anyone. There are hardly any instances of that happening in the series as a whole.
If Sasuke throws his attack before using Amenotejikara, then yes he will hit Hashirama. If he uses Amenotejikara before throwing his attack, then he will most likely miss just like he has done every single time.
Throwing an attack before using Amenotejikara would allow him to land one hit at most. Any hit after that is entirely dependent on his own movement and there isn't anything special about that hence why Shin could catch his blade with no effort.
You have never provided evidence for this, so this is just going to be ignored.
All Sasuke has done is chop rocks the size of the Shinju's stump
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and we know that isn't anywhere near the size of the Bijudama crater.
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Nothing implying that Madara can't replicate Sasuke's feat when we can blatantly see how big it is compared to the crater
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and we know how far his shockwave travels.
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Madara's shockwave can featwise travel across the entire Bijudama crater, while Madara's CT are only the size of the Shinju's stump, which is smaller than the Bijudama crater. That's what you have to refute. As I said, if you try to dance around my argument like before without countering it, it will be ignored.
Didn't say that. Stop with the strawmans.
The counter for genjutsu is the same as it is for any Uchiha in the manga. Not looking in his eyes.
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Clones are no faster nor slower than originals especially wood clones at that. It was a blitz since they didn't see it coming and the only reason Tobirama was able to get hits off because he was an Edo if he had been alive he'd be dead. EMS Sasuke had trouble hit blind Madara not Rinnegan Sasuke he blitzed JJ Madara[
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].So he can blitz RSM Naruto but not Hashirama?
No evidence? Sasuke Susanoo is empowered by Rikudo chakra half of Rikudo chakra at that. Rikudo chakra shits on EMS Madara chakra. Susanoo is nothing but the users chakra thus Rikudo chakra being stronger than EMS Madara chakra means Sasuke susanoo is stronger than Madara's. Simple.
Not going to bother with your terrible scaling.
Actually he can't replicate that feat since PS greatest feat is mountain level. Small chunks of that CT was mountain range[
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Except they can't. The distance from said mountain to Ps isn't anywere near the size of Shinjuu trunk. Rinnegan genjutsu doesn't need eye contact so closing your eyes won't help you here. Sasuke used genjutsu and even the Bijuu that were behide him were caught and Sasuke didn't even turn around[
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]. Now why would Rikudo be surprised about Bijuu getting put under genjutsu? He was surprised because Sasuke didn't need to look into their eyes to catch them in genjutsu. Still no counter for spawn CT as well.
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The bold is wrong since Hiruzen was clearly shown to turn his head is response to Obito's movement and Tobirama tagging Obito clearly means that he saw him coming and physically reacted accordingly.
I'm not sure how your making the claim that Rinnegan Sasuke is faster when no effort is made to imply that there is a difference between them in any official material. The only difference between Ems and Rinnegan Sasuke is the Rinnegan.
Sasuke supposedly blitzed Madara despite him turning around, seeing Sasuke come at him and having time to think an entire sentence?
It's not like this is a new argument. You Sasuke fanboys have been saying this for a while, but it's still just as ridiculous from when I first saw it.
Sasuke getting his sword stopped by Shin invalidates all of this nonsense anyway. There isn't any speed difference between any version of Sasuke and the author himself makes no effort to hint at a difference throughout the entire manga.
Pretty sure that I said that he can land a hit if he throws his attack before swapping.
Sasuke doesn't have this chakra and Hagoromo's Six Paths chakra can't constitute a Susano'o.
Edit: Actually, forget the striked part. I was mistaken. The sentence before that still holds true though. Even if I were to entertain the idea of Sasuke possessing Hagoromo's chakra(not true since none of his Chidori are black), it still wouldn't be any stronger than any other Perfect Susano'o.
It seems that people don't understand how chakra potency works. Sage mode is the perfect example since it doesn't increase chakra quantity, just potency.
The databook states that when Naruto is in Sage mode, he can throw countless Giant Rasengans at the same time,
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Increasing chakra potency affects jutsus in the same exact way that increasing chakra quantity does. Adding more potent chakra increased the size of Naruto's Rasengan.
A Giant Rasengan from Sage Naruto is no stronger than a Giant Rasengan from Base Naruto.
If Madara uses 100 chakra to create Perfect Susano'o, this supposed "Hagoromo boosted Sasuke", would only need 10 chakra. They are making the exact same construct, so there is no difference, not in physical power at least.
That's what the author most consistently drew. Again, since you couldn't disprove it directly yet keep restating nonsensical points that I already countered,
the rest is garbage, as usual. You can't call my scaling terrible while not being able to disprove it. Not when I present panels as is, not when you proceed to present your own ridiculous scaling as if it's fact.
Especially not since the scans you post are cherrypicked, don't prove your point to begin with and you disregard every other scan in favor of your fanfiction.
I'm guessing that Sasuke caught Deidara and C without eye contact as well? The instance with the Biju aren't implied anywhere to be an exception.
Hagoromo stated why he was surprised, so there isn't any need to speculate. He caught them with a glance, not because of not needing eye contact.
Yes, he was shown turning around.
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No, but your specific Hashirama and Madara wank is.
You also won't stop yapping about Shin grabbing Sasuke's sword as proof of Sasuke being slow...lol.
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I don't wank any character. I put them where they are supposed to be based on their feats and their portrayal. The only problem here is people like you who can't interpret anything correctly. If you think that's wank, then that's too bad.
I never said that Sasuke was slow. Why would Shin grabbing his blade imply that? All it means is that he can't blitz every character like people seem to suggest.
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no... @bold
Both of you like Hashirama and Madara and support them.
Plus you both made the claim Indra had Indra's Arrow because it had Indra's name in it and Kishi supposedly wanted to parallel the duos with each other.
Both of you joined NF/NB at August 2011 plus the dates are close August 23 2011 (you) vs August 25 2011 (shinobi no kami)
Both of you think Hashirama's gates>Naruto
Anyway you're not Shinobi no kami. I asked you about this earlier and I see no reason why you wouldn't tell me the truth.
Do you prefer Naruto&Sasuke or Hashirama&Madara?
OP: DMS Kakashi is a problem here due to kamui warping. IF Sasuke can take him down quick then Hashirama and Madara get turned into nothing by IA. Kurama can get liberated from Madara's control.
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I don't have any preference between Hashirama & Madara and Naruto & Sasuke as characters. I actually find the abilities of the latter duo more interesting than the former, but I'm not going to twist facts for no reason.
I don't think that Hashirama's gates would hold down Naruto either since Naruto's boil release overpowered Kaguya's chakra fist and Obito's chakra arms were enough to shatter Hashirama's gates.
I only think that the Kurama avatar would be held down.
This isn't the logic that people use though. People literally say that Naruto negs anything because he's Naruto and fighting a Ten Tails' jinchuriki is enough to justify him destroying anything below that level.