Genetically Modified Babies

Would you modify your baby?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • No

    Votes: 10 58.8%

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im not smart enough to put my thoughts into words but ill try. the the chance to modify your children, this would potentioly mean that if you get characteristics you dont like, for example red hair or freckles the parents may just go ahead and abort and try again..taking away the randomness of child birth and striving for a perfect child may cause situations were people how are imperfect may be shund for being flawed...thats the best i can word it...

edit..it may cause people to treat babys like products you buy at a store. if its not right by your standerds return it..since you cant do that with kids, they may get rid of it

maybe id modify for resistence to inherited desises like huntintuns and down syndrome but i think their should be limits, like no physical modification..then maybe it would be ok
 
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Well, what also could a con is that this will most likely be available to rich people first. Gene therapy could potentially give us un-modified humans similar advantages to those GM Humans, will also likely be available to the rich first. Honestly, this could be good or very bad.
 

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Nah, my kids gonna be born ugly, dumb, and shittin on themselves just like me. Get eveything the old fashioned way through hard work and accepting you ugly.

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I'd be damned if my son or daughter come out the womb with 6 pack abs, looking like a calvin klein model and speaking fluent English and Latin.

Boy would be 12 years old with a 810 credit score, a college degree and responsible for solving world hunger.
 
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A few years ago, in about 2012, genomic models based on GWAS could predict much less than 1% of the variation in cognitive ability (measured by whatever proxy you want – IQ test scores, educational attainment or whatever) and the leftists used to laugh about it – they always just knew that intelligence had nothing to do with genes, after all.

In the year 2016 the genomic-phenotype data samples became big enough to construct polygenic scoring that predicted about 10% of the variation in educational attainment, amounting to an average of an entire grade on high-school curricula.

The leftists aren't laughing anymore.

And the funny thing is that we didn’t even hit a phase transition when we went from less than 1% to 10%, it was just getting more data (samples going from the tens of thousands of genomes to the hundred thousand genome). See, finding the many genes each having a small linear additive effect on a highly polygenic trait (height, for example, or intelligence) is a positive-feedback effort – the more you find, the easier it becomes to find new ones (mostly because the prevalence of these genes are correlated with each other) and at some point when your genomic sample size is big enough you get a ‘phase transition’ where all those genes you were looking almost magically just start revealing themselves t you.

Many of the folk working on this sort of stuff, e.g some of the folk involved with the Beijing Genomics Centre, think that the phase transition for intelligence genetics will be when we have the genomes and test scores of about 1 million people (currently the best we have is around 300,000 and the test data is bad since it’s school attainment, a very noisy proxy for IQ).

And there are plans for projects hitting that million-genome data landmark in the very near future.

There is no need for genetic engineering per se – once we have polygenic scoring that can predict anything close to the 80% of the variation in IQ ascribable to genes if heritability studies are to be trusted (and they are), we will be able to screen embryos and tell which ones are going to grow up to do well in physics class. After that’s, a simple matter of using IVF to produce a few embryos and select the one with the highest polygenic score.

Huge swaths of the population is becoming obsolete by the day with expanding automation, and that problem won’t solve itself. When fast food workers are replaced by machines, contrary to what those idiotic economists will tell you, they will not be able to become programmers. The problem is that computer programming is a very brainpower demanding endeavour and only about the top few % of the population really has the aptitude to become a decent software engineer.

The other problem is that we’ve picked all the small-hanging fruit as far as antimicrobial drugs are concerned and we aren’t inventing new ones anywhere near as fast as the microbes are evolving resistance. Not too far in the future, we’ll essentially be living in a world where most infectious and lethal bacteria are resistant to all the antibiotics we have.

You can’t beat evolution with drugs in the long-run, so what do you do? You exploit one of the features of evolution – variation. No matter how lethal the microbe, there is and will always be a minority of humans who are genetically predisposed to (specific) immunity. Naturally immunological gene-editing will be highly effective.

I don’t know for all of those things but genetic enhancement in two respects, cognitive ability and the immune system, are inevitable.

As it turns out, Sir Francis Galton, that Englishman who coined the word eugenics, had only three enhancements in mind when he used the words eugenics: intelligence, health and character.
 

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I would say yes.

But at the same time, if people are able to decide the *** of the baby, then who knows how that might affect population. I mean places like China would probably go for a male baby if they were given the option.

Hmm, That's something I really didn't think about. China's already suffering from an unbalanced gender ratio, so making it easier for them to always have male children would only make matters worse.
 

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I'm pretty sure it won't be a clean process and errors are inevitable, should we allow gentically modifications of our kids? Me I'm not sure, but my personal worries is people losing touch and the social ramifications of this happening. How about if we make pregnancies obsolete and have the child grow external of the mother I think that would have implications. How would it affect parent and child dynamics. These type of things need to be considered.

Also it's in the nature of humans to take things to extremes, it be one thing to prevent our child to have illnesses it's another to trick them out giving them features we desire. And let's even take outside of children people would want research done to figure out ways how to genetically modify an individual outside of pregnancy, everything we do we should do it with open eyes and not blind ourselves as what we perceive are the goods.
 

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Would the offspring of the genetically modified babies have the traits too?
But I'm against it,it just sounds like a quick fix
We can get rid of diseases be healthier and smarter naturally,through natural selection.it just takes work and there's no telling what the long-term effects are of geneyically modified babies
 

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A few years ago, in about 2012, genomic models based on GWAS could predict much less than 1% of the variation in cognitive ability (measured by whatever proxy you want – IQ test scores, educational attainment or whatever) and the leftists used to laugh about it – they always just knew that intelligence had nothing to do with genes, after all.

In the year 2016 the genomic-phenotype data samples became big enough to construct polygenic scoring that predicted about 10% of the variation in educational attainment, amounting to an average of an entire grade on high-school curricula.

The leftists aren't laughing anymore.

And the funny thing is that we didn’t even hit a phase transition when we went from less than 1% to 10%, it was just getting more data (samples going from the tens of thousands of genomes to the hundred thousand genome). See, finding the many genes each having a small linear additive effect on a highly polygenic trait (height, for example, or intelligence) is a positive-feedback effort – the more you find, the easier it becomes to find new ones (mostly because the prevalence of these genes are correlated with each other) and at some point when your genomic sample size is big enough you get a ‘phase transition’ where all those genes you were looking almost magically just start revealing themselves t you.

Many of the folk working on this sort of stuff, e.g some of the folk involved with the Beijing Genomics Centre, think that the phase transition for intelligence genetics will be when we have the genomes and test scores of about 1 million people (currently the best we have is around 300,000 and the test data is bad since it’s school attainment, a very noisy proxy for IQ).

And there are plans for projects hitting that million-genome data landmark in the very near future.

There is no need for genetic engineering per se – once we have polygenic scoring that can predict anything close to the 80% of the variation in IQ ascribable to genes if heritability studies are to be trusted (and they are), we will be able to screen embryos and tell which ones are going to grow up to do well in physics class. After that’s, a simple matter of using IVF to produce a few embryos and select the one with the highest polygenic score.

Huge swaths of the population is becoming obsolete by the day with expanding automation, and that problem won’t solve itself. When fast food workers are replaced by machines, contrary to what those idiotic economists will tell you, they will not be able to become programmers. The problem is that computer programming is a very brainpower demanding endeavour and only about the top few % of the population really has the aptitude to become a decent software engineer.

The other problem is that we’ve picked all the small-hanging fruit as far as antimicrobial drugs are concerned and we aren’t inventing new ones anywhere near as fast as the microbes are evolving resistance. Not too far in the future, we’ll essentially be living in a world where most infectious and lethal bacteria are resistant to all the antibiotics we have.

You can’t beat evolution with drugs in the long-run, so what do you do? You exploit one of the features of evolution – variation. No matter how lethal the microbe, there is and will always be a minority of humans who are genetically predisposed to (specific) immunity. Naturally immunological gene-editing will be highly effective.

I don’t know for all of those things but genetic enhancement in two respects, cognitive ability and the immune system, are inevitable.

As it turns out, Sir Francis Galton, that Englishman who coined the word eugenics, had only three enhancements in mind when he used the words eugenics: intelligence, health and character.
What comes first, eugenics via genetic modifications or artificial intelligence that's smarter than us?
 

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What comes first, eugenics via genetic modifications or artificial intelligence that's smarter than us?

I'm confused what artificial intelligence has to do with eugenics, as is in the name doesn't it only deal with genetics?

I also don't get the big fuss people make of artificial intelligence, if the net goal is to create a machine that you give autonomy to make its own choices based on a preset program it's fundamentally is the programmers fault for one creating something they get rid of ability to control. And secondly failing to create adequate fail safes to protect against errors.
 

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I'm confused what artificial intelligence has to do with eugenics, as is in the name doesn't it only deal with genetics?

I also don't get the big fuss people make of artificial intelligence, if the net goal is to create a machine that you give autonomy to make its own choices based on a preset program it's fundamentally is the programmers fault for one creating something they get rid of ability to control. And secondly failing to create adequate fail safes to protect against errors.
The two are unrelated (eugenics as in progressing humans by controlling breeding and applying science) but just that scientists say both are inevitable. Both will have a major impact on society so I was just wondering which one we would reach first and how the first one to occur will affect the other.

Loss of control could be intentional but regardless whether we lose control of it or not is not the only interesting thing about it though, it's the applications of it and how fast society will progress once we reach a certain point of AI.
 
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Whats wrong with tampering nature.

Its not like we've not been doing just that since human existence lmao

I think something of this scale is to risky because it can be exploited to do harm.
 

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Would the offspring of the genetically modified babies have the traits too?
But I'm against it,it just sounds like a quick fix
We can get rid of diseases be healthier and smarter naturally,through natural selection.it just takes work and there's no telling what the long-term effects are of geneyically modified babies
To answer your question, yes. Lets say a modified baby carries genetics that gives them say for ex. Immunity to HIV; if the modded human has a baby with a nonmodded human, their offspring can potentially carry immunity to HIV. The idea is in the long term, these modifications will expand throughout the entire human genepool.
 

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What do you think of genetically modifying babies? Some people say it's the next step in human evolution, while other people say it's tampering with nature, and as humans shouldn't be allowed that amount of power over the face of humanity. Do you think we should be allowed to genetically modify babies as we please, or should it be illegal?




Pros
  • Immunity to Disease
  • Immunity to Virus/Bacteria
  • Enhanced Physical Strength
  • Enhanced Intelligence
  • Customized Aesthetic Features (gender, eye/hair color, height, etc.)
  • Extended Life Span (potential immorality)
  • Modified Humans for space travel, under water exploration

Cons
  • Genetic Errors
  • Extinction of Certain Races/Physical Features
  • Extinction of Unmodified Humans
  • Military use of Genetically Modified Super Soldiers

If given the option, would you genetically modify your baby in the distant future?

its bad, genetic diversity the the driving force of any species.
 

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its bad, genetic diversity the the driving force of any species.

Seriously. This is basic stuff here, not rocket science. You don't have genetic diversity as a species = you fail to survive.
 

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If you want a real world example of how this already ****ed up look to your fruit. Genetically 9/10 they're all the same. but the moment one virus steps in poof. It all goes to shit with little to no chances of recovery. Where as on the flip side we can never get rid of roaches and mice (despite how hard we try) because they're so damn diverse and they reproduce quickly. So there's always a certain selection of them that were lucky enough to be born immune, and said selection populates the land.
 

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If you want a real world example of how this already ****ed up look to your fruit. Genetically 9/10 they're all the same. but the moment one virus steps in poof. It all goes to shit with little to no chances of recovery. Where as on the flip side we can never get rid of roaches and mice (despite how hard we try) because they're so damn diverse and they reproduce quickly. So there's always a certain selection of them that were lucky enough to be born immune, and said selection populates the land.

That's actually a pretty good point if we leave it up to our devices what genes are passed to the future we would lose diversity and ability to survive
 

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Seriously. This is basic stuff here, not rocket science. You don't have genetic diversity as a species = you fail to survive.
Eh, not really. When we're choosing what genes pass or not, we have more control over the survival of our species.
 

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So some of you plebs want to make your kids prone to diseases and dumb. Will you cry it is unfair when your kid turns a sore loser or dies of some disease that was preventable?
 

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We should all become extinct and let some other species develop
 
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