[Discussion] Doffy and Cracker

[chopstickchakra]

It seems unlikely we'll ever agree on who could beat who unless they fight each other but can we at least agree that Doffy has better endurance than Cracker now?

It shouldn't really even be a question but I feel like some may still argue so let's review some things. Cracker was knocked out by a gear 4th cannonball attack wherein he was launched out of Luffy and all the impact came from the objects he hit at the force Luffy expelled him, not really a G4 "hit".

Doffy on the other hand took multiple legit G4 hits that were either just as strong or (and much more likely) stronger than Luffy launching you from his stomach. Those same hits were breaking Crackers haki infused biscuits also. So long story short, Doffy would take more damage to put down than Cracker.

So can we agree at least that Doffy has more endurance than Cracker even if we can't agree who would win the fight?



Since it's likely unavoidable here's my 2 cents on the fight

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It'd be a tough fight but I think Doffy would have a good chance of winning. Crackers biggest advantage is his unlimited biscuits however Doffy can make unlimited strings so the biscuit army really shouldn't be that much of a risk. Both of them were able to cut Luffy's haki so they're relatively close in power but as I mentioned Doffy can take more damage

 

[LBeezy]

Truuuuuueee

Doflamingo does seem to be more of a Tank than Cracker.. I can picture Doflamingo getting hit by the same G4 canon ball attack and within a few minutes of landing, Doffy would probably just stand up with that big smile on his face. lol

 

[Passerby]

Doflamingo wont even be able to breach Crackers armor.
Stop comparing somebody who is superior to Gear 4 with somebody who got molested by Gear 4.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doflamingo wont even be able to breach Crackers armor.
Stop comparing somebody who is superior to Gear 4 with somebody who got molested by Gear 4.

Cracker was taken down by a single G4 semi attack whereas Doffy handled multiple. Cracker ain't superior to shit. If Kong Gun hit it'd likely put him down from what we saw.

 

[Passerby]

Cracker was taken down by a single G4 semi attack whereas Doffy handled multiple. Cracker ain't superior to shit.

And Doflamingo has strength that allows him to bypass the Biscuits? Yeah thought so.

 

[chopstickchakra]

And Doflamingo has strength that allows him to bypass the Biscuits? Yeah thought so.

Did you read the thread? This is a discussion of durability.

 

[Passerby]

Cracker was taken down by a single G4 semi attack whereas Doffy handled multiple. Cracker ain't superior to shit. If Kong Gun hit it'd likely put him down from what we saw.

What? Cracker not only took damage from Gear 4 but he was also thrown into his own hard biscuits.
And thats is not a normal G4 Attack. Luffy was on Biscuit Steroids.

Also Big Mom will not send Cracker to kill Luffy if he was weaker than Doflamingo.

 

[chopstickchakra]

What? Cracker not only took damage from Gear 4 but he was also thrown into his own hard biscuits.
And thats is not a normal G4 Attack. Luffy was on Biscuit Steroids.

Also Big Mom will not send Cracker to kill Luffy if he was weaker than Doflamingo.

When did Cracker take damage from a G4 hit I don't recall that. Biscuit steroids lol gtfo that doesn't even mean anything it's just some phrase you put together. Luffy could barely function that wasn't a proper attack, it was a gag ending for a gag fight. You say that as if she actually accurately knows Luffy and Doffy's power levels, she would send Cracker if she assumed he could get the job done, she doesn't know either way.

 

[Black0ut]

Couldn't doffy in theory just use birdcage and gg, or tie up the biscuit army as he makes them?

 

[Joker]

Even if he can't break through the Biscuit soliders himself, parasite string pits them against each other. All in all I think Doffy is a bad match up for Cracker to be honest.

 

[A v i]

Biscuit steroids lol gtfo that doesn't even mean anything it's just some phrase you put together. Luffy could barely function that wasn't a proper attack, it was a gag ending for a gag fight.

Fallacy, It took a G4 hit to just to break Cracker's shield and another to break a clones body. Cracker's been sent flying through multiple clones of that level, even after that he didn't lose any momentum and was sent all the way back to the town while crashing through everything on his way. That's no incomplete attack in the least. The attack has every quality to be placed along side high end moves of G4.

 

[ToshiZO]

Doflamingo has the better feats and portrayal in the endurance department. There is no argument to be made for Cracker here.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Fallacy, It took a G4 hit to just to break Cracker's shield and another to break a clones body. Cracker's been sent flying through multiple clones of that level, even after that he didn't lose any momentum and was sent all the way back to the town while crashing through everything on his way. That's no incomplete attack in the least. The attack has every quality to be placed along side high end moves of G4.

Kong Gun broke through the shield and the clone body exposing the real cracker in one hit.

Everything after his cracker bodies was an insufficient impact compared to everything else, many characters have flown through buildings and gotten up.

The attack was a situational response it in no means constitutes an attack that can be called upon at whim, it wasn't a real G4 "attack" it was just an attack performed in G4, there's a difference.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Doffy is already at top commander level and cracker can't stand a little bit pain..So yeah i'm going with doffy!!

 

[A v i]

Kong Gun broke through the shield and the clone body exposing the real cracker in one hit.

It never did, feel free to post scans.

Everything after his cracker bodies was an insufficient impact compared to everything else, many characters have flown through buildings and gotten up.

That's ridiculous, the sheer number of things that Cracker had to travel through was insane, every single thing he crashed through has accumulated more damage and contributed in his defeat. There wasn't a single character who travelled as far as Cracker while crashing through ridiculously hard things to break. It is true that his endurance isn't as great as Joker's, but you're making it seem way worse than what it actually is;

The attack was a situational response it in no means constitutes an attack that can be called upon at whim, it wasn't a real G4 "attack" it was just an attack performed in G4, there's a difference.

What does this supposed to change? What does that last line supposed to mean?

 

[chopstickchakra]

It never did, feel free to post scans.

Here Cracker is holding his shield

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Here he's broken by one G4 Kong Gun

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You can see the shield above Luffy's arm and the broken pieces below it as well as Cracker's shell broken in half.

That's ridiculous, the sheer number of things that Cracker had to travel through was insane, every single thing he crashed through has accumulated more damage and contributed in his defeat. There wasn't a single character who travelled as far as Cracker while crashing through ridiculously hard things to break. It is true that his endurance isn't as great as Joker's, but you're making it seem way worse than what it actually is;

He went through 3 biscuits and they were by far the hardest objects he flew through. Other than that we don't really know the full extent of what he went through or how far it exactly was all we know is it was far and through some buildings.

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Luffy and them were already on WCI so he didn't go across multiple islands. After the biscuits he hits 2 more trees and a building before crashing

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What does this supposed to change? What does that last line supposed to mean?

It means a situational attack doesn't carry the same impact or intended result as an actual attempted attack. If I bend down and hit your head on the way back up that's not going to be as strong as me trying to headbutt you. Luffy ejecting Cracker was a responsive attack that only came about due to the situation, it's not something Luffy could train and practice so it has a specific range to it's abilities which would be lower than something like Kong Gun or Rhino Schneider which Luffy practiced and throws with full force.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

And Doflamingo has strength that allows him to bypass the Biscuits? Yeah thought so.

I don't U understand why ppl don't think he can bypass his armor when he was able to cut into gear 4th similar to what cracker did


Not to mention if he is in character cracker would get out of the suit again because he is cocky... ppl also act as if doffy stings r weak when it was pushing back thousands of warriors like the likes of cabbage zoro barto etc... :| and it does not matter if it's bird cage it's his move and even though we do not know the specifics logically speaking if it came from him a portion of his power was used to trap everyone inside and have them be unable to communicate with outside world

Also ppl downplay gamma knife capabilities reguardless of what u feel it was stated that stiching his organs together does not equal healing and he took significant damage

Another thing to point out we do not know what injection shot (from law) did to doffy... even if it is nothing there must be some reason why it's called that.

Doffy via awakening was shown to change entire land scape into string and how does the cracker warriors exactly hit doffy if he stays in the air

Fine cracker had stronger Haki then doffy (only ardament) however there r other things to take into account

Doffy is def faster then him
Has better endurance/durability
Can attack from any point simontainsly
Has clones etc.
he's def smarter then cracker (would not let Ami just do what she did for that long period of time:| which Im still not over oda made cracker an idiot)

Ppl are talking as if this is one sided fight when we don't know full capabilities of cracker and even then so the full capabilities of doffy

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

What? Cracker not only took damage from Gear 4 but he was also thrown into his own hard biscuits.
And thats is not a normal G4 Attack. Luffy was on Biscuit Steroids.

Also Big Mom will not send Cracker to kill Luffy if he was weaker than Doflamingo.

She sent cracker to kill Luffy because he was there and she knew it took both law and Luffy to get doffy down both received the same bounty so how would she know exactly what happened in the fight ?

 

[A v i]

Here Cracker is holding his shield

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Here he's broken by one G4 Kong Gun

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You can see the shield above Luffy's arm and the broken pieces below it as well as Cracker's shell broken in half.

The main body was intact after the first hit; He even tried attacking Luffy and was overpowered which is when the main body was broken and his real identity was exposed.

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Each clone took one or more attacks but their main body's were intact.

He went through 3 biscuits and they were by far the hardest objects he flew through. Other than that we don't really know the full extent of what he went through or how far it exactly was all we know is it was far and through some buildings.

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Luffy and them were already on WCI so he didn't go across multiple islands. After the biscuits he hits 2 more trees and a building before crashing

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We both very well know that most of his journey was off paneled, That was a forest filled with decently powerful trees, then he stopped at the middle of the town while crashing through buildings. Easily breaking through multiple clones is already ridiculous enough and he had to clean and forest along with multiple number of buildings.

It means a situational attack doesn't carry the same impact or intended result as an actual attempted attack. If I bend down and hit your head on the way back up that's not going to be as strong as me trying to headbutt you. Luffy ejecting Cracker was a responsive attack that only came about due to the situation, it's not something Luffy could train and practice so it has a specific range to it's abilities which would be lower than something like Kong Gun or Rhino Schneider which Luffy practiced and throws with full force.

It's also possible that it may produce astronomically better results than what was initially expected. So I see no reason as to why you'd look at only the negative side of the coin. Above all, it's a fiction, you don't always need proper training for perfect execution of an attack. Asura was something that Zoro didn't train for prior to EL, yet it was more powerful than every other highly mastered attacks hat he had back then.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Doflamingo's string does not have haki and it was unable to breach luffy's haki, so of course it won't be able to break Cracker's. Despite Doffy's endurance being significantly better along with his evasiveness, Cracker's haki and offensive power is much higher.
Being shot out of G4's cannon is no joke, he hit half the forest and some building along the way but that momentum is terminal velocity, he did well for someone who can't take a punch.