Kurenai, Shino & Hinata VS Karin & Suigestu

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Description: Suigestu and Karin have managed to capture Kiba and Akamaru, but Kurenai (as a Konoha Jounin) has not taken this lightly. She has gathered the rest of her team (Shino + Hinata) and is pursuing Karin and Suigestu. She catches up to and confronts up them in the forest of dead trees.

Distance: 35 Meters
Location: Forest of Dead Trees
Knowledge: Full
Restrictions: None, all characters are war arc (minus Kuernai obviously)

Scenario 2: Asuma is with team Kurenai.
 

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Scenario 1: Karin & Suigestu probably wins

Scenario 2: i think Kurenai, Shino & Hinata+Asuma wins
 

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Team 8 wins both. Karin gets neged from start.
 

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Kurenai solos. Genjutsu GG
 

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Team 1 wins both times. Shino's bugs would counter hydrification. Karin gets fodderized by Hinata + Kurenai. Scenario 2 goes obviously for team 1 as well.
 

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Kurenai can probably solo. With Hinata and Shino team 1 definitely wins.
 

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Kurenai soling this of course

She can kill inside her Genjutsu and she can catch multiple people with it simultaneously without eye contact. What can they even do? Especially since they cannot blitz Kurenai or even pressure her with massive jutsu or anything like that.
 

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Lmao Kurenai bit her lip to escape that Genjutsu. It's not a deciding factor here and it definitely won't let her solo both Karin and Suigetsu. Kurenai on her own gets raped. With Hinata and Shino she wins.
 

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Lmao Kurenai bit her lip to escape that Genjutsu. It's not a deciding factor here and it definitely won't let her solo both Karin and Suigetsu. Kurenai on her own gets raped. With Hinata and Shino she wins.

So you're seriously comparing Kurenai and Suigetsu in terms of dispeling Genjutsu? Her Genjutsu prowess is on Itachi's level and escaping ones own Genjutsu is definitely easier than escaping some new one, yet she still almost got killed by Itachi.

If biting lip was enough to counter any Genjutsu and could be done by anyone, Genjutsu wouldn't be even used at all.
 

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So you're seriously comparing Kurenai and Suigetsu in terms of dispeling Genjutsu? Her Genjutsu prowess is on Itachi's level and escaping ones own Genjutsu is definitely easier than escaping some new one, yet she still almost got killed by Itachi.

If biting lip was enough to counter any Genjutsu and could be done by anyone, Genjutsu wouldn't be even used at all.

They used pain. Pain is irrelevant to Genjutsu skill. :lol Kurenai being good at Genjutsu doesn't somehow make her inflicting pain a more potent counter than Suigetsu and Karin doing the same thing. That doesn't even make sense.

And where is the evidence for the bold?
 

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They used pain. Pain is irrelevant to Genjutsu skill. :lol Kurenai being good at Genjutsu doesn't somehow make her inflicting pain a more potent counter than Suigetsu and Karin doing the same thing. That doesn't even make sense.

And where is the evidence for the bold?

You build a maze. Someone gets thrown in there and you also get thrown in there. Who will escape it faster? That's similar logic.

But yeah, I don't have any hard evidence because Genjutsu was treated like shit in the manga - almost 0 explanation. But still, if biting one's lip was enough to counter any Genjutsu, why didn't Hiruzen dispel Bringer of Darkness? Why didn't Kakashi dispel Tsukuyomi with lip biting? There are many more examples.
 

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You build a maze. Someone gets thrown in there and you also get thrown in there. Who will escape it faster? That's similar logic.

But yeah, I don't have any hard evidence because Genjutsu was treated like shit in the manga - almost 0 explanation. But still, if biting one's lip was enough to counter any Genjutsu, why didn't Hiruzen dispel Bringer of Darkness? Why didn't Kakashi dispel Tsukuyomi with lip biting? There are many more examples.

No, it's not logic that applies here because Genjutsu and a Maze obviously aren't the same thing.

And no, those are terrible examples because those aren't Kurenai's Genjutsu. They are Genjutsu that are stronger and/or work differently. Kurenai's Genjutsu in particular can be broken with pain as she herself has shown.
 

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They used pain. Pain is irrelevant to Genjutsu skill. :lol Kurenai being good at Genjutsu doesn't somehow make her inflicting pain a more potent counter than Suigetsu and Karin doing the same thing. That doesn't even make sense.

And where is the evidence for the bold?

She didn't use pain. Her lip wasn't bleeding outside the genjutsu, and besides how would they know to counter it that way? Sure karin can break out but suigetsu?
 
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