Kakuzu vs Kisame

[Zexion~]

I'm going to sleep after this response.



Mask merely act as Kakuzu's Clone. At least someone, like Kakashi's caliber, isn't able to excute something they couldnt react to.

Be more clear in your premise. You said you are not mentioning WD in your premise, when Kisame fused is part of his WD jutsu only. Here is what I already said concerning setting up Suiton:



Now if you making the claim, Kisame fused does not need a Water source then it literally changes nothing in my premise:



And rewind back:

It didn't struggle it just didn't want to absorb the Katon and Kisame has way more control over Samehada than Bee does, such as when he made it sneak him into the Jin training.

 

[NarutoX28]

If you have some feats that he could do that quick enough, he's hand went down quick enough but unlike Kakashi he basically has to dig the hole with the threads himself so it takes more time than Hiding like a mole.

It's a D-Rank Ninjutsu while Kakuzu has exemplary chakra control which will enable him to perform the jutsu very swiftly.

 

[Zexion~]

It's a D-Rank Ninjutsu while Kakuzu has exemplary chakra control which will enable him to perform the jutsu very swiftly.

Yeah but it changes the earth composition....

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It didn't struggle it just didn't want to absorb the Katon and Kisame has way more control over Samehada than Bee does, such as when he made it sneak him into the Jin training.

Still doesnt change my point, since theres no evidence it can consume a whole jutsu like Preta Path. Samehada has a hitbox range of absorbing ninjutsu.

 

[Zexion~]

Still doesnt change my point, since theres no evidence it can consume a whole jutsu like Preta Path. Samehada has a hitbox range of absorbing ninjutsu.

When he fuses he can absorb whatever though.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

When he fuses he can absorb whatever though.

If you believe that he can absorb any chakra in liking thats fine. What you can't argue though, is that he can consume it all.

 

[Zexion~]

If you believe that he can absorb any chakra in liking thats fine. What you can't argue though, is that he can consume it all.

I can argue that he can consume 6 tails of V2 chakra with no problems so he's absorbing all of Kakuzu's jutsu with ease.

 

[RedRobin]

I can argue that he can consume 6 tails of V2 chakra with no problems so he's absorbing all of Kakuzu's jutsu with ease.

You think he absorbs Domu too? He doesnt.

 

[NarutoX28]

Yeah but it changes the earth composition....

How exactly would that correspond to Kakuzu being incapable of countering Daikodan?

 

[Zexion~]

You think he absorbs Domu too? He doesnt.

Debatable, pretty sure DB states GSB takes the users chakra as well.

How exactly would that correspond to Kakuzu being incapable of countering Daikodan?

Because he has to actually dig through the earth instead of just changing it to sand AKA its much slower.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I can argue that he can consume 6 tails of V2 chakra with no problems so he's absorbing all of Kakuzu's jutsu with ease.

Im just repeating my point over and over again.

1. Samehada has always shown to absorb chakra based with its limited hitbox range.

V2 was still in the proximity of Samehada's absorption range. Not an argument against jutsu attack scale surpassing Samehada's range.

 

[Zexion~]

Im just repeating my point over and over again.



V2 was still in the proximity of Samehada's absorption range. Not an argument against jutsu attack scale surpassing Samehada's range.

This is a shit point anyways EJ as the only thing doing damage to Kisame is whats in its hitbox :lol so having the rest of the jutsu still present (or simply be pulled in by the absorption) is literally pointless.

 

[1000 Chirping Birds]

Kakazu's lightning heart is the key to frying that shrimp.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This is a shit point anyways EJ as the only thing doing damage to Kisame is whats in its hitbox :lol so having the rest of the jutsu still present (or simply be pulled in by the absorption) is literally pointless.

Um no it isn't, not when V2 tackle made it clear that, not capable of consuming the whole attack means you get hit by the remains. Nice Samehada is no Preta there no reason to believe he is capable of absorbing the whole attack from Kakuzu wide scale range. Once that happen, this is where Kakuzu can opt his opponent heart, mid recovery.

Edit: You missed my point I'm not arguing outside box range is going to effect Kisame. I'm talking about the continuation stream directly to him, Kisame has to go through. I can illustrate in scan if you dont get what I am saying

 

[Zexion~]

Um no it isn't, not when V2 tackle made it clear that, not capable of consuming the whole attack means you get hit by the remains. Nice Samehada is no Preta there no reason to believe he is capable of absorbing the whole attack from Kakuzu wide scale range. Once that happen, this is where Kakuzu can opt his opponent heart, mid recovery.

Edit: You missed my point I'm not arguing outside box range is going to effect Kisame. I'm talking about the continuation stream directly to him, Kisame has to go through. I can illustrate in scan if you dont get what I am saying

What? Because he couldn't absorb all of what is in his hitbox, Kisame can absorb everything within his hitbox until the whole jutsu is absorbed if you're trying to argue the rest will take the place of what he absorbs and hit him :lol streamline?

EJ just stop kisame absorbs all of Kakuzu's jutsu with ease.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kisame can absorb everything within his hitbox until the whole jutsu is absorbed.

Which I been repeatedly arguing he can't. So care to back up this claim?

 

[Zexion~]

Which I been repeatedly arguing he can't. So care to back up this claim?

Absorbed a full V2 Bijuu cloak without any issues >> Absorbing Kakuzu's jutsu lol I have clear manga feats you're making a claim with no evidence.

 

[NarutoX28]

Because he has to actually dig through the earth instead of just changing it to sand AKA its much slower.

Yet this has never been an issue in the manga.

 

[Lord Tywin]

I don't know why Kisame is constantly brought up against Kakuzu.

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Kakuzu gets raped by v2 B. Kissame rapes V2 B.
Inb4 "ABC logic don't work"

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Absorbed a full V2 Bijuu cloak without any issues >> Absorbing Kakuzu's jutsu lol I have clear manga feats you're making a claim with no evidence.

Except he did had issues he still took the full blunt of the attack before absorbing some of its chakra.