BM Minato vs EMS Sasuke

[Nobel]

When your quotes mistreat me I mistreat them.

Dragon slayers these days smh

 

[Alastor]

Well, it doesn't change the fact that Obito blitzed him, whether he broke through his defences or not. Susanoo doesn't limit Sasuke's movement at all, at least not in that form, yet he wasn't able to react at all when Obito made a move on him. Go back to the scan and you'll even see both Naruto and Sasuke are surprised by his sudden movement, as being surprised is all they can do before Obito blitzes them. Saying he was able to "effectively fight" someone as fast as Juubito is also a no as, before the head on clash that decided the battle, Obito was handling Naruto and Sasuke with mid dif at best. They weren't able to land one hit on him during the entire time, and the one time they managed to properly aim at him, both attacks were blocked almost effortlessly.

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I don't really think that you'd consider dodging an attack when you already have a defense in place that's meant for protecting you from being attacked to begin with. In addition to this, one could easily argue that the fact that Sasuke was in the middle of a monologue when Obito decided to attack played a huge role in delaying his reaction time.
By the way, I would not call by any means what was happening "Obito handling them mid def". More than once, Obito was forced to block their attacks with his TSB shields which were being ripped from him.

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Certainly, they may not have been necessarily on the winning side of that battle, but, nonetheless, they were able to effectively fight and hold their ground for a while, which is my point, and which is more than can be said for Minato.

Fair point, but Sasuke and Naruto however were the first ones to see the Gudoudama on Minato's arm due to their position. Note the exclamation points above their heads.

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They saw it before Minato, and thus were able to get over the momentary shock of suddenly being placed in a life or death situation and react beforehand. Sasuke was able to place his hand over Naruto a panel before Minato's hand would reach the Gudoudama. THe Susanoo being formed is also less of a feat of Sasuke's and more of a feat on the tech itself, as Itachi was able to do something far more impressive when forming it moments before the Kirin hit the ground.

Fair enough, let us assume that Naruto and Sasuke saw the Gudodama before Minato, even though I think it is obvious that the exclamation marks were just there to show them being surprised at him appearing. Still, by the time the Gudodama appeared, everyone, Minato included had seen it yet no action was taken. During the time frame that followed, we can see that Sasuke actually performed the most action compared to Minato since he stepped in front of Naruto, covered him with his arm+ summoned Susanoo and wrapped it's arm around Naruto as well. While Minato only tried to, and failed, to grab a Gudodama.

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I don't think it can be more obvious that this. Also, you cannot separate Susanoo from Sasuke because the same arm that was wrapped around Naruto faster than Minato could move, is the same arm that previously intercepted the Gudodama spear before Minato could activate his jutsu, and is the same arm that will be attacking Minato in this fight.

It could be, but that already comes with a lot of implications. Many times, with both Rasengan or Bijuudama, we've seen two people combine their powers into one technique. If we go by your version, we have to assume that anyone can do that regardless if they know said Jutsu or not, which then makes the multiple times various parties sided together to form one powerful Bijuudama or Rasengan a bit conventional, as every time it happened, everyone involved knew the jutsu. It even opens up the question of why Sasuke, or anyone for that matter, helped Boruto out with the Rasengan in the end of the Boruto movie as, though it did the job, it did struggle against Momoshiki's own "Rasengan" to get there.

Not really ? We already know that Naruto and Minato can combine their chakra to use a jutsu even if one party does not know how to ? Like When they combined their chakra while Minato teleported everyone.

Then there's the way Naruto words it. "The other Kurama should be able to help too." Much later on, with RSM, we see Bijuu molding their chakra for Naruto so he can use various different jutsu on his own, and even Kurama helps Naruto out via the whole distributing his chakra thing, so there's the other side of the argument, where Minato knowing or not knowing it is irrelevant as Kurama can still help him form it irregardless.

True, Kurama can help, however let's not forget that there is still the issue of the time limit of the Bijuu mode as well as the fact that Sasuke can still mess with Kurama inside the host and keep him occupied.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

As Minato was able to mark obito who had intangibility, he can mark anyone in NV.

BM Minato vs EMS Sasuke's Outcome would not be any different than this:

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[Natsu Shazneel]

As Minato was able to mark obito who had intangibility, he can mark anyone in NV.

BM Minato vs EMS Sasuke's Outcome would not be any different than this:

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That was a genjutsue. No wonder you think that outcome would be real.

 

[Jokule67]

Why should he be marked from the start?
perfect susanoo is EMS power

Why should Sasuke use PS from the start? We both know he wont because Minato most likely wont use an Avatar unless vital.

Yes its an EMS power but Sasuke didnt have PS so you cant really count it. He used a psuedo form of it on kyuubi but it looks nothing like his PS. Its only plates.

I never said Sasuke starts out marked. Its just inevitable.

Minato has marked all his opponents except Juubi Madara. His shunshin is faster than Tobiramas and with BM he is the Yellow Flash x2 because hes even faster.

 

[Demonic.]

Teen EMS Sasuke isn't up to EMS Madara's level, so he loses

 

[DHOH]

Alright, Im just telling you minato wins this hands down FTG with his avatar is too op sasuke can't physically touch him or risk getting tagged PS or not and if he's tagged he is finished. EMS sasuke stomps minato alive obviously tho

At least have the ****in decency to know the topic at hand before running your mouth.

 

[Dizzldot]

At least have the ****in decency to know the topic at hand before running your mouth.

I mean I'm just saying minato wins, you were not accepting of the manga facts I had no choice sir

 

[DHOH]

Well, react, yeah, but so was Naruto. To keep up is another matter entirely.

Enton can indeed cover a large field, but that only forced Minato to back up, and a battle of long distance not only gets them anywhere, but gives Minato an opportunity to pull a Shadow Clone bait, which is ridiculously dangerous in a battle which, in the end, is resumed to who can touch who first.

Exactly.. That's why this battle would be more interesting.

 

[DHOH]

I mean I'm just saying minato wins, you were not accepting of the manga facts I had no choice sir

lol you're hopeless.. you're to lazy,dumb or slow to go back and reread our initial post.. if you did, you would know it's a completely different battle..

 

[youRLord]

Why should Sasuke use PS from the start? We both know he wont because Minato most likely wont use an Avatar unless vital.

Yes its an EMS power but Sasuke didnt have PS so you cant really count it. He used a psuedo form of it on kyuubi but it looks nothing like his PS. Its only plates.

I never said Sasuke starts out marked. Its just inevitable.

Minato has marked all his opponents except Juubi Madara. His shunshin is faster than Tobiramas and with BM he is the Yellow Flash x2 because hes even faster.

Maybe because he is not a complete idiot?
Ps should absolutley be counted...i don't care if kishi prefer to make sasuke use it later for story purpose, this is a vs thread about two character and their full power.

I don't see a low diff when the only way to make it is by marking sasuke at the start...marking susanoo is not the same thing, that's it...

 

[Guntah]

I don't really think that you'd consider dodging an attack when you already have a defense in place that's meant for protecting you from being attacked to begin with. In addition to this, one could easily argue that the fact that Sasuke was in the middle of a monologue when Obito decided to attack played a huge role in delaying his reaction time.

Well, he did still have his Sharingan on, so by all accounts, he should have seen that coming. In fact, Sasuke would have to be very stupid to let his guard down here. This is someone Hashirama himself stated to be stronger than him while fairly close to Sasuke being held back by the lowest level of Susanoo possible for Sasuke, something Ay of all people was able to break through. If Sasuke did not have his guard up just because he was in a monologue with the minimal of defences up against someone who cut through Kages like a hot knife through butter, he is stupid. Just stupid.

By the way, I would not call by any means what was happening "Obito handling them mid def". More than once, Obito was forced to block their attacks with his TSB shields which were being ripped from him.

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Certainly, they may not have been necessarily on the winning side of that battle, but, nonetheless, they were able to effectively fight and hold their ground for a while, which is my point, and which is more than can be said for Minato.

No....calling that mid dif is definitely generous. Because that you just showed me is not the result of just an attack, its the result of some of the best Naruto and Sasuke have to offer at the time. A Susanoo arrow and a Bijuudama.

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The ultimate result of providing the best they have against Obito are a few small cracks on a casual defence. That is not a winning battle in any way.

Fair enough, let us assume that Naruto and Sasuke saw the Gudodama before Minato, even though I think it is obvious that the exclamation marks were just there to show them being surprised at him appearing. Still, by the time the Gudodama appeared, everyone, Minato included had seen it yet no action was taken. During the time frame that followed, we can see that Sasuke actually performed the most action compared to Minato since he stepped in front of Naruto, covered him with his arm+ summoned Susanoo and wrapped it's arm around Naruto as well. While Minato only tried to, and failed, to grab a Gudodama.

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I don't think it can be more obvious that this. Also, you cannot separate Susanoo from Sasuke because the same arm that was wrapped around Naruto faster than Minato could move, is the same arm that previously intercepted the Gudodama spear before Minato could activate his jutsu, and is the same arm that will be attacking Minato in this fight.

Well...that's a bit of an exaggeration.

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As you can see, Naruto and Sasuke are right next to each other. Sasuke immediately activates the Susanoo, which is not "separated" from him as you stated. Its movement is entirely a feat of his. Its activation though, as shown with Itachi, is automatically a quick one regardless of the user, so the briefest thought of activating it will trigger the jutsu immediately. I can also argue after rereading this that Sasuke's movement towards Naruto is pointless. Regardless if the bomb goes off or not, his arm won't save Naruto, its the Susanoo, already around them, that will. Thus, unlike Minato, who has to think before he acts, its a movement based on instinct. A movement without thought. That's why, by the time Minato is reaching for the ball, Sasuke already has his hand over Naruto. He didn't think of it, it just happened. That's the difference between the two.

Not really ? We already know that Naruto and Minato can combine their chakra to use a jutsu even if one party does not know how to ? Like When they combined their chakra while Minato teleported everyone.

Well, that's different though. That's Minato using Naruto as a vessel to connect to everybody else while the other is them both putting their chakra into the same jutsu.

True, Kurama can help, however let's not forget that there is still the issue of the time limit of the Bijuu mode as well as the fact that Sasuke can still mess with Kurama inside the host and keep him occupied.

Well, in a battle where both opponents are standing very much far away from each other in two separate avatars, I doubt eye contact would be much of a diference. There's also the fact that we don't know how this link thing works for Minato. Kurama was never properly sealed inside of him like Naruto was, we never saw Minato unlock a seal in his stomach. They just....kinda lived together inside the reaper for all that time before Minato was edo tensei'd.

 

[Guntah]

Exactly.. That's why this battle would be more interesting.

Yeah, I can see it.

 

[SenseiSama]

BM Minato had kyuubi and it was more than enough to obliterate EMS Sasuke's tiny PS.

He can only use KCM, without Naruto to help he can't use his avatar in a fight

 

[Styles]

okay...:|


Nah. It's more like sasuke shit in his panties after looking at that magnitude of chakra.

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That's still the same thing. Sasuke was mad because Naruto could control that large amount of chakra with ease but that don't mean he was stronger. In fact he was gonna use that same mode and Sasuke was more than sure he could keep up.

 

[Nick01]

BSM Naruto>>>BM Naruto>>BM Minato>EMS Sasuke.

 

[Dizzldot]

lol you're hopeless.. you're to lazy,dumb or slow to go back and reread our initial post.. if you did, you would know it's a completely different battle..

Im gunna go with lazy cause I thought what I commented on was your first post lol I guess I skipped it
but yes minato wins

 

[Jaqueze]

EMS Sasuke solos

 

[Yata Mirror]

That's still the same thing. Sasuke was mad because Naruto could control that large amount of chakra with ease but that don't mean he was stronger. In fact he was gonna use that same mode and Sasuke was more than sure he could keep up.

so you're going to act like Sasuke could keep up without Jugo around.
BM Naruto = EMS Sasuke
BSM Naruto = EMS Sasuke + Jugo NE

 

[Uchihakil]

Obviously BM minato > BSM naruto > EMS sasuke
- genjutsu aint working on minato due to bijuu

- fire style was no sold by kcm cloak (juubi sized katons of madara and obito, sasuke's does'nt even compare)

- space time barrier teleports susano arrow back at sasuke

- amaterasu gets blocked with the cloak like in canon

- bijuu dama and kyuubi sized rasengan destroys sasuke's avatar

And yes minato > BSM naruto, just cuz naruto has senjutsu does'nt mean his bijuu dama does'nt get turned back at him, so he can't use his strongest attack and minato can aswell as teleport