[Discussion] Oda about Sanji's make

[A v i]

So your argument against me saying that Monet, Pica, and the Fishman are far weaker than someone of the M3 level is that that person in the M3 level is so much stronger than them, they look weak? Alright, fam, do you.

Please go through your first post in this thread again, you and your buddies implied them to be weak in general. You said nothing about M3. And I don't think it's fine to mix Luffy,Zoro and Sanji together at this point. What I've been saying applies to Zoro and Luffy, Sanji is not included.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Please go through your first post in this thread again, you and your buddies implied them to be weak in general. You said nothing about M3. And I don't think it's fine to mix Luffy,Zoro and Sanji together at this point. What I've been saying applies to Zoro and Luffy, Sanji is not included.

Yes, they are weak in general. Just like the Strawhats were weak in general in the timeskip.

I said they didn't have clout because, in comparison to the general population of fighters, they rank really low. When someone who looks like a joke to the top tier makes you look like a joke, then you are generally weak.

I don't care how you feel about the gap between the M3 though.

@Bold: Including this one, I've made four posts about Zoro's opponents in relation to the powerscale. The very first one of these four included that they're weak compared to the Monster Trio.

 

[A v i]

Yes, they are weak in general. Just like the Strawhats were weak in general in the timeskip.

I said they didn't have clout because, in comparison to the general population of fighters, they rank really low. When someone who looks like a joke to the top tier makes you look like a joke, then you are generally weak.

I don't care how you feel about the gap between the M3 though.

As long as they aren't the lowest in the food chain, they can be deemed to be strong. Do you call a 10th grade an illiterate just because he doesn't hold a degree or a Ph.D?

Whether if you care or not, no one gives a rats ass about it. It's a fact that Sanji has yet to prove himself to be that strong.

 

[ToshiZO]

You can't call Pica weak, when Sanji can't beat him based off current showings. Unless you mean weak to Zoro but not the "M3".

 

[Punk Hazard]

As long as they aren't the lowest in the food chain, they can be deemed to be strong. Do you call a 10th grade an illiterate just because he doesn't hold a degree or a Ph.D?

Whether if you care or not, no one gives a rats ass about it. It's a fact that Sanji has yet to prove himself to be that strong.

When has Sanji ever shown to be that weak?

 

[ssjelf]

So your argument against me saying that Monet, Pica, and the Fishman are far weaker than someone of the M3 level is that that person in the M3 level is so much stronger than them, they look weak? Alright, fam, do you.

You just said Zoro would look like a joke against the top tier, and these people look like a joke against Zoro. So what would the people who were made to look like a joke in comparison to Zoro look like in comparison to people who would make Zoro look like a joke?

They would look like sanji in comparison to zoro.

 

[Kiiszame]

When has Sanji ever shown to be that weak?

He has taken nothing but L's since the time skip. This arc alone has made him look weak compared to his bros.

I want Sanji to be badass as much as the next guy but so far he hasn't shown it.
I hope he realizes his potential this arc and gets some kind of power up and recognition. He needs it. This is his year.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He has taken nothing but L's since the time skip.

Equal portrayal with Luffy, Zoro, and Luffy when fighting the Pacifista, Kraken, and Fishmen.


With a damaged body, he clashed equally with Vergo, and only took a real L to Doflamingo, who would have given an L of the same scale to Zoro had they clashed.

This arc alone has made him look weak compared to his bros.

He went two to two with their father without a scratch of damage from direct hits. It took all three of them to beat him up, and he beat the shit out of Yonji without using Diable Jambe or Hell Memories. Niji only landed a hit on Sanji as a result of them threatening Zeff, forcing him to stand there and take the hit with no attempt to dodge or block.

Sanji's "Ls" have so far all been circumstantial with the exception of Doflamingo. I dunno what the **** you're talking about.

 

[Love Cook]

You can't call Pica weak, when Sanji can't beat him based off current showings. Unless you mean weak to Zoro but not the "M3".

Bullshit, Pica is just stone after all. Luffy, Chinjao, King of Prodence and Zoro all took down giant chunks of the golem with medium attacks.

On top of that Sanji has superior intellect, he would figure that fruit out quicker than Zoro did. He has better CoO compared to Zoro. So locating the real body would be a lot easier. Sanji is just as capable to break the golem into pieces with Sky walk and spectre or hells memories.

And Zoro took down the real Pica in one hit not even going all out. Do you really expect that even if Sanji has to go all out that he couldn't beat him ?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Zoro and Sanji aren't even a good match-up anymore. Zoro was chopping down giant statue while Sanji was getting spat on by Capone bedge.

Zoro would treat Sanji like he's did everyone he fought in the new world ... As a joke.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Equal portrayal with Luffy, Zoro, and Luffy when fighting the Pacifista, Kraken, and Fishmen.


With a damaged body, he clashed equally with Vergo, and only took a real L to Doflamingo, who would have given an L of the same scale to Zoro had they clashed.

Clashed equally with Vergo??? A non Haki Vergo broke his f*cking leg :|

 

[Kiiszame]

Clashed equally with Vergo??? A non Haki Vergo broke his f*cking leg :|

Exactly.

 

[ToshiZO]

And Zoro took down the real Pica in one hit not even going all out. Do you really expect that even if Sanji has to go all out that he couldn't beat him ?

It doesn't matter what me or you, or anybody "expects", I clearly said based off current showings he's not beating Pica. Zoro had ranged attacks and still could barely manage to land attacks on Pica when he popped up here and there, you think Sanji is going to defeat Pica by playing whack a mole running around? Stop with your nonsense, locating him is not the issue, managing to land attacks on him is the issue here.

 

[Love Cook]

It doesn't matter what me or you, or anybody "expects", I clearly said based off current showings he's not beating Pica. Zoro had ranged attacks and still could barely manage to land attacks on Pica when he popped up here and there, you think Sanji is going to defeat Pica by playing whack a mole running around? Stop with your nonsense, locating him is not the issue, managing to land attacks on him is the issue here.

Your expectations based of current showings are not accurate. Sanji had no trouble leveling buildings and breaking stone pre time skip. It's clear he would be able to wreck Pica's statue post time skip. What Zoro did to the golem is hardly an impressive feat since there were 3 other people who did the same. And Sanji demonstrated skills of that size on fishman island by burning Wadatsumi.

Also Zoro had trouble locating Pica and used the process of elimination to pinpoint where he was. Go re-read if you don't remember. All I'm saying is that Sanji has superior CoO and can probably sniff Pica out more easily and also has better speed and mobility over Zoro with Sky Walk.

A well placed Anti Manner Kick Course, would make short work of a limb of that statue. From there on Sanji is just as capable to trap Pica in a piece of stone just like Zoro did because he is smarter.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Clashed equally with Vergo??? A non Haki Vergo broke his f*cking leg :|

While Sanji's body was broken. Sanji also wasn't using Haki nor DJ/HM.

And yet, even with his damaged body and cracked leg, Vergo never got the upper hand. They clashed equally because they were trading blow for blow without either of them succumbing to the others' attacks.

 

[HashiraMadara]

While Sanji's body was broken. Sanji also wasn't using Haki nor DJ/HM.

And yet, even with his damaged body and cracked leg, Vergo never got the upper hand. They clashed equally because they were trading blow for blow without either of them succumbing to the others' attacks.

So basically we clash and I break your leg while nothing happened to me(I keep on chasing you and ran to the closing door), in your head you're thinking 'this guy is unreal" = clashing equally?

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[Punk Hazard]

So basically we clash and I break your leg while nothing happened to me(I keep on chasing you and ran to the closing door), in your head you're thinking 'this guy is unreal" = clashing equally?

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Did either of them push the other to the point that they couldn't fight back?

 

[loj]

He is still badass no matter what happens but yeh Oda makes him take a little bit too much of L's lately

 

[HashiraMadara]

He is still badass no matter what happens but yeh Oda makes him take a little bit too much of L's lately

ehhh Thanks... I rest my case. Like it or not his story line up is always the not so "badass" in terms superiority looking to opponents. I mean one guy learnt from Mihawk, then other learned form Emperio Ivankov :sdo:

 

[loj]

ehhh Thanks... I rest my case. Like it or not his story line up is always the not so "badass" in terms superiority looking to opponents. I mean one guy learnt from Mihawk, then other learned form Emperio Ivankov :sdo:

So what lol him learning from Ivankov doesn't mean he is not badass >_>