[VS] Hebi Sasuke Vs Mei

[TRE MERCER]

She uses it right when he comes above ground then, his attacks have caught zero people off guard, and Manda is huge so it being a slow attack is irrelevant here, that and he would constatly be in a acid mist area.

Then she realize Manda tricked her with the end of his body which would mean she spit the lava at the backside while Manda heads comes from behide her and eat her.

Manda beats Mei.

 

[blazekev90]

Tsunade still had time to run him through the mouth.

And? She wasn't the target. She knew when to strike, as she was on the outskirts watching. Jman and Gama were sitting ducks.

 

[Icelerate]

Hilarious that anyone would argue a boss summon can solo a Kage in the first place.

How does Tsunade beat Katsuyu?

 

[Byakuren]

How does Tsunade beat Katsuyu?

She cancels the summoning jutsu.

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[Icelerate]

She cancels the summoning jutsu.

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Cheap tactic but sure.

 

[Byakuren]

Cheap tactic but sure.

No such thing as cheap in a fight. There's only win, or lose.

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[NarutoX28]

How is suiton doing anything? He can dig through the ground, going up against water will be child's play.

Please do look at the range her lava has. The speed at which she spits it out and the amount she has spit out. All it did was cover some mokuton not to mention she spit this out at a constant stream. Thats the extent of her lava release. Let me tell you it DOES NOT compare to Manda's size.

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This is such an illogical premise when we're introduced that ninja both have the capacity to control the range and scope of their jutsu which is elucidated in its Databook Entry:

Manipulating the strong acid of a large volcanic mud flow to corrode ones flesh.

For Godaime Mizukage it's possible to use the Youton Kekkai Genkai. Inside her body, chakra is changed into strong acidic fluid, everything is melted by the dangerous Jutsu. Out of the mouth gushes (blasts) out a quantity of viscous fluid, the shape and amount is at the liberty of the Jutsu's users. When it is spit forth at short range it's speed drastically increases. It can be a wall that obstructs ones path, to use in more than one direction one after another is feasible.

Distributes viscous liquid across a vast range/scope, creating an acid wall. Anything that touches it will crumble and loose it's shape.

My question is why she would discharge her lava over such a vast scope when only enveloping Madara's Susano'o was required and allows Mei to focus more of that thick substance and its acidity around Susano'o. What would spreading out over an incredible distance accomplish?

 

[Byakuren]

This is such an illogical premise when we're introduced that ninja both have the capacity to control the range and scope of their jutsu which is elucidated in its Databook Entry:



My question is why she would discharge her lava over such a vast scope when only enveloping Madara's Susano'o was required and allows Mei to focus more of that thick substance and its acidity around Susano'o. What would spreading out over an incredible distance accomplish?

I've no idea where people got the assumption Mei's acid mist lowers in efficiency the further it spreads. Especially when this scan heavily implies otherwise. Spoiler You must be registered for see images "The mist will leak, I've got to change its PH." Insinuating her mist would still be effective, and harm the others.

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[RedRobin]

This is such an illogical premise when we're introduced that ninja both have the capacity to control the range and scope of their jutsu which is elucidated in its Databook Entry:



My question is why she would discharge her lava over such a vast scope when only enveloping Madara's Susano'o was required and allows Mei to focus more of that thick substance and its acidity around Susano'o. What would spreading out over an incredible distance accomplish?

Then there is no cap on their abilities when discussing them. If we go by what you are saying Kisame makes a bigger water dome, Kakuzu has bigger techniques. We go by what the characters have shown. She has used her lava tech twice at completely different times and both those times were short ranges. We can only go by what the character has shown.

Is it logical to say her lava has the same range as her suiton? No its not, thats not at all what has been shown.

Of course she can spit out more lava than that amount there but the main point is she can only get that much lava out at a constant stream within that time period.

 

[EZQ]

I've no idea where people got the assumption Mei's acid mist lowers in efficiency the further it spreads. Especially when this scan heavily implies otherwise. Spoiler You must be registered for see images "The mist will leak, I've got to change its PH." Insinuating her mist would still be effective, and harm the others.

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It obviously does. The concentration of floating particles per cubic meter is lower

 

[Edogawa]

We can only go by what the character has shown.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam. Hop back to your illiterate cave where you belong, because you don't know the style of discussion. Appealing to ignorance is straight stupidity. I doubt you know debating fallacies, seeing as how you grip on one. No one is obliged to go only by what characters show, because not everyone is dumb like you. There is deductive reasoning, one that Mei used Jutsu at that magnitude because of specific situation. By processing more Chakra to the Jutsu, it receives higher quantitative and qualitative properties is a manga fact and thus can be applied to this example. How internet is accessible to low-IQ people like you should be violation of the law.

Mei low diffs Manda and Hebi Sasuke.

 

[NarutoX28]

Then there is no cap on their abilities when discussing them. If we go by what you are saying Kisame makes a bigger water dome, Kakuzu has bigger techniques. We go by what the characters have shown. She has used her lava tech twice at completely different times and both those times were short ranges. We can only go by what the character has shown.

Is it logical to say her lava has the same range as her suiton? No its not, thats not at all what has been shown.

Of course she can spit out more lava than that amount there but the main point is she can only get that much lava out at a constant stream within that time period.

That's a strawman argument if you're really intending to abuse a logical fallacy to refute an argument that I've never made. Unlike the example you presented, there's actually factors such as statements within the Databook as well as logical deduction that suggests that Mei's jutsu can be expanded. Unlike Mei, there's every reason to presume that Kisame displayed his largest scale techniques, especially GSB and Waterdome when the user receives little to no benefit towards condensing his own jutsu.

Now, I'm not going to claim that the lava encompasses the same scope as her Suiton, but what she canonically displayed is heavily implied to be specious through the Databook Entry and the idea behind Dodoi, an inferior Ninjutsu user,

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. Logical deduction instantly tells us that Mei can emit Yoton on a much larger scope while there's also established boundaries for the technique because there's no possible way that a KKG can somehow reach the "level" of a Suiton due to the fact that singular elements are significantly easier to manipulate than compounds.

 

[Byakuren]

It obviously does. The concentration of floating particles per cubic meter is lower

You fail to realize, that complete real world logic cannot be asserted to the Naruto world. Especially when both the manga, and databook clearly support different. Your statement is similar to saying apples are oranges.

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[RedRobin]

That's a strawman argument if you're really intending to abuse an illogical fallacy to refute an argument that I've never made. Unlike the example you presented, there's actually factors such as statements within the Databook as well as logical deduction that suggests that Mei's jutsu can be expanded. Unlike Mei, there's every reason to presume that Kisame displayed his largest scale techniques, especially GSB and Waterdome when the user receives little to no benefit towards condensing his own jutsu.

Now, I'm not going to claim that the lava encompasses the same scope as her Suiton, but what she canonically displayed is heavily implied to be specious through the Databook Entry and the idea behind Dodoi, an inferior Ninjutsu user,

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. Logical deduction instantly tells us that Mei can emit Yoton on a much larger scope while there's also established boundaries for the technique because there's no possible way that a KKG can somehow reach the "level" of a Suiton due to the fact that singular elements are significantly easier to manipulate than compounds.

Expanded to what? What scale do you use? Where does her technique cap off? How far can she shoot this technique? Its short to mid. What is mid range to you?

Any technique can be expanded upon based on the amount of chakra the user uses, I never said she could only produce that amount of lava. What cannot be expanded upon is the rate and speed at which they use this technique and how much they could release within that instance.

Why is Dodai thought to be an inferior ninjustu user? He was second command to the 3rd Raikage and was able to keep Naruto safe from the 3rd in fast use of his justu. He also later chases after Muu with Raido and Genma. Him being able to use justu on that scale only means he himself is a capable shinobi.

 

[NarutoX28]

Expanded to what? What scale do you use? Where does her technique cap off? How far can she shoot this technique? Its short to mid. What is mid range to you?

Any technique can be expanded upon based on the amount of chakra the user uses, I never said she could only produce that amount of lava. What cannot be expanded upon is the rate and speed at which they use this technique and how much they could release within that instance.

Why is Dodai thought to be an inferior ninjustu user? He was second command to the 3rd Raikage and was able to keep Naruto safe from the 3rd in fast use of his justu. He also later takes chases after Muu with Raido and Genma. Him being able to use justu on that scale only means he himself is a capable shinobi.

Understand the context of Mei's Lava Release Entry. The reason for why it's considered a short-mid range technique is because it's the most effective at short-range because there's an inverse relationship between speed and distance which is explicated here:

Manipulating the strong acid of a large volcanic mud flow to corrode ones flesh.

For Godaime Mizukage it's possible to use the Youton Kekkai Genkai. Inside her body, chakra is changed into strong acidic fluid, everything is melted by the dangerous Jutsu. Out of the mouth gushes (blasts) out a quantity of viscous fluid, the shape and amount is at the liberty of the Jutsu's users. When it is spit forth at short range it's speed drastically increases. It can be a wall that obstructs ones path, to use in more than one direction one after another is feasible.

Distributes viscous liquid across a vast range/scope, creating an acid wall. Anything that touches it will crumble and loose it's shape.

The Databook indicates that the distance associated with a jutsu's entry only has to do with the effectiveness of said technique and we're explicitly given the reason for why that is.

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These of course, aren't even set values and can fluctuate drastically depending on the user's capabilities as stated within that very same scan.

That said, speed and scope can be enhanced dependent on the amount of chakra used which was stated in Kakashi's Raiton Wolf Databook Entry as well and the argument you presented in regards to Dodai contradicts what you're trying to convey because if Dodai sought after Mu instead of battling against Madara, then that clearly means that he's portrayed below Mei who pivots on her ninjutsu capabilities.

 

[RedRobin]

Understand the context of Mei's Lava Release Entry. The reason for why it's considered a short-mid range technique is because it's the most effective at short-range because there's an inverse relationship between speed and distance which is explicated here:

The Databook indicates that the distance associated with a jutsu's entry only has to do with the effectiveness of said technique and we're explicitly given the reason for why that is.

Spoiler

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These of course, aren't even set values and can fluctuate drastically depending on the user's capabilities as stated within that very same scan.

That said, speed and scope can be enhanced dependent on the amount of chakra used which was stated in Kakashi's Raiton Wolf Databook Entry as well and the argument you presented in regards to Dodai contradicts what you're trying to convey because if Dodai sought after Mu instead of battling against Madara, then that clearly means that he's portrayed below Mei who pivots on her ninjutsu capabilities.

Are you trying to say she can release lava faster than what is shown? Because there is nothing to show she was holding back at all or going slower against Madara Uchiha so I dont get what point you are trying to get across here.

Changes nothing. Mei was brought in to fight against Madara's katon attacks with her suiton. Not to mention Kishi wanted the gokage to fight Mdara.

 

[NarutoX28]

Are you trying to say she can release lava faster than what is shown? Because there is nothing to show she was holding back at all or going slower against Madara Uchiha so I dont get what point you are trying to get across here.

Changes nothing. Mei was brought in to fight against Madara's katon attacks with her suiton. Not to mention Kishi wanted the gokage to fight Mdara.

I'll ask you this, do you think it's reasonable for Dodoi to have the ability to release Yoton tens of times larger than what Mei is capable of?

 

[EZQ]

You fail to realize, that complete real world logic cannot be asserted to the Naruto world. Especially when both the manga, and databook clearly support different. Your statement is similar to saying apples are oranges.

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No, wtf. The mist leaking out would still be dangerous because there would still be acid particles touching her allies. But it is a more powerful technique in an enclosed space. You have no argument here.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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L0l stop your logic is terrible here Mei hasn't shown she can use Lava on any scale bigger than she did during the 5kage vs Madara fight. If you want to be honest we can apply this no limit fallacy on anything in this manga.

 

[NarutoX28]

L0l stop your logic is terrible here Mei hasn't shown she can use Lava on any scale bigger than she did during the 5kage vs Madara fight. If you want to be honest we can apply this no limit fallacy on anything in this manga.

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.