Haku vs Suigetsu

RedRobin

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I'm not seeing your point. You literally have to infuse your chakra into something to manipulate it (e.g. Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand). Or else it wouldn't be possible to manipulate the water.

When did Kakashi have time to infuse the water he used with his chakra when matching with Kisame's suiton.

Gaara doesnt infuse his chakra in the sand to manipulate it. He can to make it faster but its not needed to manipulate it.
 

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When did Kakashi have time to infuse the water he used with his chakra when matching with Kisame's suiton.

Gaara doesnt infuse his chakra in the sand to manipulate it. He can to make it faster but its not needed to manipulate it.

Gaara indeed does have to infuse his chakra with sand to manipulate it. He doesnt have to infuse his chakra with his automatic defense, that acts on its own.
 

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Gaara indeed does have to infuse his chakra with sand to manipulate it. He doesnt have to infuse his chakra with his automatic defense, that acts on its own.
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Who said the water had to be chakra infused in order to freeze it? Where did you'll be that information? Lol
 

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Who said the water had to be chakra infused in order to freeze it? Where did you'll be that information? Lol



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Suigetsu's (and possibly other Hōzuki clan members) resistance to heat is severely overlooked/underrated, being the target of fallacious statements such as: "Katon jutsu would evaporate Suigetsu." This is in fact false; Suigetsu has been shown to be highly resistant to thermal energy (i.e. heat).

Resistance​
Suigetsu while utilizing the technique: Tate Eboshi, against Kirābī displayed a unique feat that physically shouldn't have been possible. Whilst in his aquatic avatar state battling Kirābī, Suigetsu adamantly went toe, to toe with one of the strongest attacks we've seen yet; the Bijūdama.

It's been shown multiple times, that the Bijūdama is the byproduct of releasing highly compressed energy. The actively compressed energy is transitioned into thermal energy due to the atoms being in constant motion; the manga has portrayed this consistently.​

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It's common knowledge that compressed energy is more lethal on the pretense of being focused in a secluded area/range, while energy that simply explodes expansively is less potent in regards to its formerly compressed properties (i.e. heat); as the energy spreads out over wider ranges, the thermal energy is carried further, producing less focused heat, than its counterpart. Example:​

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To further backup this fact, Gyūki's Bijūdama was explicitly shown to have rose the heat temperature of the surrounding water, causing the liquid to evaporate into steam (gas). This shouldn't be argued/disagreed with seeing as how the Bijūdama's energy was shown to rupture solid constructs.​

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With that being brought to the surface, Suigetsu was shown to have been completely in tact, even when Gyūki's Bijūdama severely dwarfed his water construct, and was shown to evaporate the surrounding water. You can clearly see Jūgo carrying Suigetsu after the initial confrontation between Tate Eboshi x Bijūdama.​

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We've canonically not seen any katon jutsu rival the power/thermal energy a Bijūdama possesses, thereby fortifying the fact, that Suigetsu is innately heat resistant to any, and all present fire-based techniques portrayed in the manga. Along with suiton being the superior element between the two on the element weakness chart.​

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A Bijūdama from the lesser-tailed Bijū were capable of destroying mountains as Kakashi himself stated; Kurama himself in previous chapters had stated the more tails one had, the stronger/more chakra one would possess, which by manga portrayal has been precisely true.​

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Bijūdama from the lesser-tailed Bijū were mountain busters; Gyūki, along with Kurama are undoubtedly stronger than all of the other Bijū by manga portrayal. Which can lead us to the inference that both of their respective Bijūdama are more potent than that of the others.​

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Suigetsu's resistance to heat-based techniques shouldn't be overlooked any further; capable of withstanding, and not evaporating from the sheer thermal energy radiated from Gyūki's Bijūdama which was explicitly shown to evaporate water several pages later.

As well, the lesser-tailed Bijū were shown to be mountain busters with their own Bijūdama, while both Kurama's statement, and manga portrayal highlight the 8th, and 9th tailed-beast are superior to their lesser-tailed kin. In short, Suigetsu cannot be evaporated by anything on, or below the level of Gyūki's Bijūdama.

If Suigetsu's molecules couldn't exude steam here, they wouldn't be able to be frozen. Simple. Can't believe I almost forgot about the Hōzuki's resistant body composition to heat, which could be in turn used against freezing.
 

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If Suigetsu's molecules couldn't exude steam here, they wouldn't be able to be frozen. Simple. Can't believe I almost forgot about the Hōzuki's resistant body composition to heat, which could be in turn used against freezing.

I'm not too certain about that


Haku has the ability to change the climate and freeze the moisture in the air. I dont see how Suigetsu counters this.
 
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Suigetsu should logically be able to blitz Haku. Haku was pressured by KN0 Naruto speed which is vastly slower than Suigetsu.
 
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