My Favorite Thing About Rape Culture

[kimb]

Jesus....

Aight, I'm gonna try to make this as thorough and simple as I can.
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To determine if rape culture is real, the first thing we have to do is define rape culture. First thing to get out of the way: Rape culture is NOT a culture. If the basis of your argument is "You can't call this a culture," then that means that you haven't actually made an attempt to learn what rape culture is. You look at the name, see culture, and assume that it LITERALLY means a culture. You're basing your argument solely on the name of the concept, which is ignorance.

There are those who argue that the fact that the presence of rape culture in America is the product of certain social and cultural norms that once existed, such as males having a higher socioeconomic and political standings than women, but rape culture itself is not meant to refer to an actual culture.

Now, for the actual definition of rape culture: Rape culture means a setting where rape and sexual assault are normalized. Rape culture is a title given to the trivialization of rape and sexual assault. To determine if the term(rape culture) exists, we have to ask ourselves, do the concepts that the title refers to(instances of rape/sexual assault being trivialized and normalized) occur.

The answer to that is, "Yes." I bring up Donald Trump's words because that's an example of someone trivializing and normalizing acts of sexual assault. I bring up Brock Turner and other judges because those are examples of people trivializing rape. Rape is trivialized when people blame people who are raped for the clothing they are worn inside of assigning the blame to the actual rapist. Rape is trivialized when the rape of men is made into a joke instead of being addressed as something serious.

The concepts that the term "rape culture" refer to are observable as something that actually happens. Therefore, rape culture is indeed real. No, it's not a literal, actual culture, it's simply a term created to describe a specific phenomena that takes several forms. You can argue that the use of the word "culture" for the title is wrong, but that not that the concepts it refers to doesn't exist.

For starters, you're citing Wikipedia as your source, when in an academia, citing Wikipedia as a source is unreliable and avoided; I've been taught this since middle school. The only other place the wiki's definition coincides with an already existing definition of rape culture is in third wave feminist blogs and articles.

But why is it that third wave feminist's definition of rape culture no longer defines rape culture as a "culture", but as a "setting" or "environment" when compared to second wave feminist's original definition of rape culture, which is used in a vast majority of scholarly journals, that defines rape culture as a "culture", "society", or "societal influence"? Why is it when women's right activist fight against so called rape culture, that they do not target the individual microaggression's that they claim to be defined as rape culture, but try to hold American culture, the media, and society as a whole accountable for rape culture? This is a simple case of "moving the goal post" fallacy. My problem with your argument is that you base it upon a faulty definition of rape culture.

I'd personally disrobe your claims of "blaming the victim", but I believe God Stefan Molyneux does a better job of doing that then I could. I've set to the point where he begins making his argument, so I dont have to force you to watch through an hour long video. (Should it not work, the time is 1:03:09-1:05:15)

 

[Dantе]

Gonna respond to your other post when I get on laptop. But, as for this, it's simple: Don't get consent from people who aren't sober. If it's these women's responsibility to not get that drunk, then it's just as much yours not to get so drunk that you can't tell if someone is sober or not. If you're sober and they aren't, just don't try to **** them

If both are not sober?​

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

This is the funniest time to try deny rape culture. In a time where both presidential candidates are directly or indirectly involved in sexual assault cases. What you mean is that it doesn't apply to you / you don't think it should matter.

You also clearly don't have close relationships to young women or the clubbing community. I live in the most rural, quaint British area and still women have to remain vigilant when trying to enjoy themselves on a night out. Different worries and fears every night for LITERAL SAFETY that don't even occur to me, I don't deny it though- because that's goddamn ignorant & small-minded man.

My University campus has to deal with drugging and sexual assault incidents possibly 5-6 times a term (once to a close friend of mine) and it does it by teaching young women ways to avoid it or reasons they deserved it rather than encouraging/forcing the men who do it to change. An actual crime. Society does the same, don't deny it. We've spoken about this before and this will be my only post- but there's no excuse for a thread like this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

If both are not sober?​

This is a huge grey area. I personally don't think either person would be valid for a rape charge, and I think it's wrong when a person gets one if they approached a drunk person while drunk themselves.

That in of itself brings up, how can someone prove they were drunk when they approached a drunk person, and vice versa. It's complicated with no easy answer.

 

[ComplexCity]

This is the funniest time to try deny rape culture. In a time where both presidential candidates are directly or indirectly involved in sexual assault cases. What you mean is that it doesn't apply to you / you don't think it should matter.

No, what I mean is that it doesn't exist, in America at least. I know what I said

You also clearly don't have close relationships to young women or the clubbing community. I live in the most rural, quaint British area and still women have to remain vigilant when trying to enjoy themselves on a night out. Different worries and fears every night for LITERAL SAFETY that don't even occur to me, I don't deny it though- because that's goddamn ignorant & small-minded man.

You sound like a feminist. Because it happens to some individuals doesn't make it a culture. Riker has misued the word culture and has used a made up a feminist coined one to prove his point.

My University campus has to deal with drugging and sexual assault incidents possibly 5-6 times a term (once to a close friend of mine) and it does it by teaching young women ways to avoid it or reasons they deserved it rather than encouraging/forcing the men who do it to change. An actual crime. Society does the same, don't deny it. We've spoken about this before and this will be my only post- but there's no excuse for a thread like this.

Ergo, America is a Spanish culture :sdo:

I don't know how many time I have to repeat this.

This is a huge grey area. I personally don't think either person would be valid for a rape charge, and I think it's wrong when a person gets one if they approached a drunk person while drunk themselves.

You just said rape is having *** without consent

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

I didn't really expect this to hit 7 pages. I'm pretty lost at wdf is going on... lawl

 

[ComplexCity]

I didn't really expect this to hit 7 pages. I'm pretty lost at wdf is going on... lawl

In a nutshell...

Basically Riker is saying rape culture is a thing but not a part of American culture (so it is a culture of America but not a culture integrated into America :lol) based off feminism's interpretation of it. Everything such as making jokes about inappropriately touching a woman to video games such as GT, to rape jokes are all things that contribute to it

 

[Punk Hazard]

In a nutshell...

Basically Riker is saying rape culture is a thing but not a part of American culture (so it is a culture of America but not a culture integrated into America :lol) based off feminism's interpretation of it. Everything such as making jokes about inappropriately touching a woman to video games such as GT, to rape jokes are all things that contribute to it

I've said multiple times its not a culture nor an inherent aspect of American culture. Only two of you are still taking the word "culture" in "rape culture" at face value.

 

[ComplexCity]

I've said multiple times its not a culture nor an inherent aspect of American culture. Only two of you are still taking the word "culture" in "rape culture" at face value.

You display some of the most illiterate, cognitive dissonance I've ever seen someone able to exhibit. It's astounding tbh :|

Basically Riker is saying rape culture is a thing but not a part of American culture (so it is a culture of America but not a culture integrated into America :lol) based off feminism's interpretation of it

I never said you said it was a culture

 

[BlacLord™]

The wage gap is just a title yet it doesn't exist and some feminist still think that it's an actual thing and want people to accept it

The stats for gender pay gap are very easy to find.

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And then there's the glass ceiling...

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[ComplexCity]

The stats for gender pay gap are very easy to find.

You must be registered for see links

And then there's the glass ceiling...

You must be registered for see links

Not the time for this. The mythed wage gapped is calculated by the mean average of incomes of men and women. If factors that prevent women from working or show why women wouldn't make as much as men due to personal choices and are statically proven, then it's moot

 

[Punk Hazard]

Trivialized by some =/= make it a majority for the general people in the US.

I've never made the claim that it applies to a majority of general people in the US. Nor does it need to be in order to exist.

You still have not disproved that we don't live in a Latino culture when I have used your logic to back my points.

You didn't use my logic at all. Your premises hinges on rape culture being the same thing as things that are either actual cultures, or quintessential aspects of actual cultures. Because rape culture is neither of those things, your premises are false, which makes your argument unsound.

Rape is not normalized in this country unless you can show me empirical evidence of rapist not even having to take legal action when rapes occur OR when the mass audience is glorifying the rapist for raping someone.

This is not what it means to normalize or trivialize rape. To normalize or trivialize rape and sexual assault means to talk about those concepts in a manner that takes blame away from the perpetrator or to make light of the severity that defines them. You do not have to glorify a rapist or fail to take legal action to exhibit rape culture, there are other forms.

You're not even realizing that there are always outliers when it comes to something like this. You just look at those outliers and then determine that it's a culture without even providing evidence that those outliers make up the majority

I never said it was a culture.

Again, using the actions of a few individuals to make your claim. You're such a hypocrite because when I say the same thing about feminist you use the no scottsman fallacy (no the two aren't don't fall under this category because rape is not an ideology so please don't even try arguing that it is)

Except you aren't saying the same thing I am saying. When you criticize radical feminism and then attribute those criticisms to all feminists, you are making a claim about a specific group of people. You are making a generalization of a specific group.

When I say rape culture exists, I am not attributing it to any particular group of people. Because you are doing this and I am not, we are not in any way doing the same thing.

I used the action of those individuals as evidence that rape culture occurs, not to make a generalized claim about any group of people.

"Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a *** organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." Doesn't seem like they included women being rapist. That's a good step though, when real feminism existed

No, this does include women as rapists. It says rape occurs when there is penetration without the consent of the victim with a *** organ. If a woman rapes a man, then the bolded criteria is met. It never specifies that the rapist must be the one doing the penetration, it only says that penetration must occur.

Yet you people believe it? How is that a part of rape culture when both men and women talk like this? Especially if it's being done in privacy most of the time?

Because:

1. Rape culture encompasses both rape and sexual assault

2. Both men and women can commit rape and sexual assault, as well as be the victim of it

3. A confession that you've committed either is still a confession even when in private. If I privately confess to you that I murdered someone, does the privacy mean it's no longer a murder confession?

No it isn't

Yes it is. By saying that it's just "locker room talk," Trump is telling people not to be upset by it, and to brush off him confessing he commits sexual assault as nothing serious. He's telling people to accept that he commits sexual assault as nothing wrong by attempting to reduce it to something that is comparatively less serious.

Also here, you like every other fem tard are doing exactly what I said you do earlier. You want us to accept something that was coined by your movement despite it being made up to fit your narratives.

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If I made up a phenomenon about women being sluts and tried to pass it off as something to be accepted, would you accept the term despite there being instances of said phenomenon?

Then your beef isn't that rape culture doesn't exist, but that the term is invalid for the concept it refers to. Your question isn't "Does rape culture exist," it's "Is rape culture the right phrase to call this thing."

At it again with the No Scottsman huh? I already asked if feminazi don't represent feminism if they do things in the name of feminism and justify their actions by such, then what are they representing? Hint: It isn't Islam

They represent radical feminism. And like an extremist interpretation of any concept, this one exists independently from said concept.

Your examples does not classify as rape normalization.​

How so? What is your argument to back up that none of those examples are attempts to reduce the severity of rape or to take away blame from the perpetrators?

Now this is utterly retarded. When you are an adult, you have to watch out for yourself out there. The whole world is not your damn safe space. The person trying to hit it isn't her/his parent to begin with. You reap what you sow.​

I agree. This is why if I set you on fire, you're to blame for wearing flammable clothing, right? Or I shoot you, it's your fault for not wearing bulletproof body armor, correct? Or I kidnapped your child, it's your fault for not reinforcing your home enough to prevent me from getting in and out?

But he didn't actually do anything that can be classified as rape. Talking and doing are two different things.​

Talking about it=/=doing it=/=talking about the fact that you've already done it and will continue to do it. The bolded is what that audio of Trump is, not the other two.

There was also this baseball player whose career got ruined because of an alleged false rape case. What do you have to say about that?​

The person who made the rape allegation should face legal repercussions and the player should be compensated for the damages the false allegation caused him if the person that made the allegations did so knowing he didn't rape them.

Thank the single mother epidemic for men being in jail in the first place.

Please elaborate on this, I can't wait to hear how being a single mother causes men to be arrested.

And they don't even care about those men who get raped

Which is an example of rape culture that I myself listed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I didn't really expect this to hit 7 pages. I'm pretty lost at wdf is going on... lawl

The cliffnotes version? Complex City thinks that rape culture doesn't exist because there are no cultures in America that glorify rape. When I commented that rape culture does exist, I didn't realize that Complex thought it was an actual culture(you know, the way there's an African culture, or Chinese culture, or Greek culture).

Because Complex doesn't understand what rape culture is and refuses to learn what it is, choosing instead to continue to think of it as a culture, he doesn't understand why it exists.

 

[ComplexCity]

So he made it to his laptop....

I've never made the claim that it applies to a majority of general people in the US. Nor does it need to be in order to exist.

Re- read what I said. Rape culture hinges that these things mentioned are done by a majority of people in society or way too often, not that a majority of people are a part of it

You didn't use my logic at all. Your premises hinges on rape culture being the same thing as things that are either actual cultures, or quintessential aspects of actual cultures. Because rape culture is neither of those things, your premises are false, which makes your argument unsound.

7 people that disliked you comments, the 3 people disproving your stances and your lack of argumentation makes me wrong. Right....

Riker's logic


- Rape is a phenomon in our culture (even though it isn't it's own culture)
- There are several factors of rape that lead femtards to this conlusion
- Feminist coined rape culture (unrelated to what a culture is because feminist like making their own words or phrases)


Spanish Culture


- Spanish people are a phenomenon in an English speaking society
- There are several factors that can represent the same argument being made for rape culture
- You deny it because you're taking culture at face value


You sit here and try to argue with the fact that there is a Spanish Culture despite us having things and factors in our culture that can be attributed to a spanish culture

Don't understand you Helen Keller, I'm using the same logic as you are since things such as

"Calling college students who have the courage to report their rapes liars." is counted as a part of rape culture despite several cases of people lying about rape.

This is not what it means to normalize or trivialize rape. To normalize or trivialize rape and sexual assault means to talk about those concepts in a manner that takes blame away from the perpetrator or to make light of the severity that defines them. You do not have to glorify a rapist or fail to take legal action to exhibit rape culture, there are other forms.

Yet this has been deemed a part of rape culture by other feminist and because you say it's not normalizing it, then it must be true. I don't see this happening on a scale of a "culture." Some people who ask this question (such as prosecutes and defense attorney)

I never said it was a culture.

You're taking a word a twisting it to fit your narrative. Don't see how you don't see the logic in that. That's like me taking the color red and start a movement of all blue and then say

Hurr durr: It doesn't matter what the dictionary says, this is the red movement of all of us wearing blue because I say so. It doesn't matter what the description, defintion or factual information we have on the color red. I made it so that's that.

Except you aren't saying the same thing I am saying. When you criticize radical feminism and then attribute those criticisms to all feminists, you are making a claim about a specific group of people. You are making a generalization of a specific group.

I have not once done this, I criticize the movement not the actions of all the individuals, try again bub.

When I say rape culture exists, I am not attributing it to any particular group of people. Because you are doing this and I am not, we are not in any way doing the same thing.

So we are using words without their inclusion of what they mean? MFW when libitards/femtards/SJ tards try to sound logical

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I used the action of those individuals as evidence that rape culture occurs, not to make a generalized claim about any group of people.

It doesn't work like that buddy. Those actions from those individuals are what make a CULTURE what it is because if not for those actions of those people, then it wouldn't be called a culture to begin with

So we're gonna personify rape culture and not relate it to any groups? You want the number to Foster's?

No, this does include women as rapists. It says rape occurs when there is penetration without the consent of the victim with a *** organ. If a woman rapes a man, then the bolded criteria is met. It never specifies that the rapist must be the one doing the penetration, it only says that penetration must occur.

"(of a man) insert the penis into the vagina or anus of (a sexual partner)."

Will agree with this part though since idk how the legal preceding go

Because:

1. Rape culture encompasses both rape and sexual assault

It's not a thing

2. Both men and women can commit rape and sexual assault, as well as be the victim of it

Ok

3. A confession that you've committed either is still a confession even when in private. If I privately confess to you that I murdered someone, does the privacy mean it's no longer a murder confession?

Where is your evidence that he did it? Where is the person who this happened to? You remind me of the rape accusation made against DJT and I read a HP article that said that he is guilty despite having no evidence because of the way he acts

Yes it is. By saying that it's just "locker room talk," Trump is telling people not to be upset by it, and to brush off him confessing he commits sexual assault as nothing serious. He's telling people to accept that he commits sexual assault as nothing wrong by attempting to reduce it to something that is comparatively less serious.

Now it's up to you to prove that he did in actually do it. Because I've a friend that said she sucked D*** but admitted to being a virgin

Then your beef isn't that rape culture doesn't exist, but that the term is invalid for the concept it refers to. Your question isn't "Does rape culture exist," it's "Is rape culture the right phrase to call this thing."

Nah it doesn't exist. Idc how many times you and other feminist try to push it.

They represent radical feminism. And like an extremist interpretation of any concept, this one exists independently from said concept.

And what is that a subset of Riker?

 

[ComplexCity]

The cliffnotes version? Complex City thinks that rape culture doesn't exist because there are no cultures in America that glorify rape. When I commented that rape culture does exist, I didn't realize that Complex thought it was an actual culture(you know, the way there's an African culture, or Chinese culture, or Greek culture).

Because Complex doesn't understand what rape culture is and refuses to learn what it is, choosing instead to continue to think of it as a culture, he doesn't understand why it exists.

Don't forget the 7 other people who disagree with you instead of saying it's just me

 

[BlacLord™]

Not the time for this. The mythed wage gapped is calculated by the mean average of incomes of men and women. If factors that prevent women from working or show why women wouldn't make as much as men due to personal choices and are statically proven, then it's moot

That analysis uses median figures. But if that doesn't strike you, the ONS did a median survey based on hourly earnings and separated by profession - and only accounts for pay periods unaffected by absence.

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[ComplexCity]

That analysis uses median figures. But if that doesn't strike you, the ONS did a median survey based on hourly earnings and separated by profession - and only accounts for pay periods unaffected by absence.

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This is what I'm going to need.


I'm gonna need a source of study that has taken all of the factors into account, not just individuals factors that sway in either direction. Then I'm going to need you to disprove statistically that

A) Men work more overtime and better jobs
B) Women don't take as much time off as men
C) The average woman doesn't work lower paying jobs


Until I see a study with all those factors, I just have to disagree with you

 

[kimb]

When I say rape culture exists, I am not attributing it to any particular group of people. Because you are doing this and I am not, we are not in any way doing the same thing.

I used the action of those individuals as evidence that rape culture occurs, not to make a generalized claim about any group of people.

Its illogical to label the acts of an individual as a staple of a collective unless there is some form of group mentality behind those actions. You didn't respond to me the first time, so I doubt you will the second time seeing as how my analysis throws all your bickering and endless back and forth out the window. Your argument is based off a preconceived falsehood that has no basis, which is third wave feminism's definition of rape culture. From there, you go on spouting that rape culture exists based on the examples third wave feminists use to define rape culture, which sends everyone in a loop trying to debate your faulty points. You're a sham.

 

[kimb]

The stats for gender pay gap are very easy to find.

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And then there's the glass ceiling...

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The pay gap is an earnings gap, I thought threads in the past already settled that debate?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Its illogical to label the acts of an individual as a staple of a collective unless there is some form of group mentality behind those actions. You didn't respond to me the first time, so I doubt you will the second time seeing as how my analysis throws all your bickering and endless back and forth out the window. Your argument is based off a preconceived falsehood that has no basis, which is third wave feminism's definition of rape culture. From there, you go on spouting that rape culture exists based on the examples third wave feminists use to define rape culture, which sends everyone in a loop trying to debate your faulty points. You're a sham.

I missed yours, I'll reply later on