[VS] Handcuffs vs handcuffs lmao

[ToshiZO]

How long is Sanji going to hold his breath for lmfao? Like I said that is one advantage over Luffy and the rest are all disadvantages compared to Luffy. That one thing does not even it out.

Can hold breath longer than Luffy = +
Is not immune to poison = -
Has no range = -
Cannot use main offense (DJ) = -


Despite Luffy being able to do all those things he had to use G2 against Cesar when he was using his oxygen trick, even if you can hold your breath as shown with Luffy, it throws you off your attacks enough for even Ceasar to dodge here and there. Then there is the fact that if and when Sanji backs off to take his breath, he breathes in poison gas. And its not like the poison gas will disappear when Ceasar takes hits.

This is not a stomp.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How long is Sanji going to hold his breath for lmfao? Like I said that is one advantage over Luffy and the rest are all disadvantages compared to Luffy. That one thing does not even it out.

Can hold breath longer than Luffy = +
Is not immune to poison = -
Has no range = -
Cannot use main offense (DJ) = -


Despite Luffy being able to do all those things he had to use G2 against Cesar when he was using his oxygen trick, even if you can hold your breath as shown with Luffy, it throws you off your attacks enough for even Ceasar to dodge here and there. Then there is the fact that if and when Sanji backs off to take his breath, he breathes in poison gas. And its not like the poison gas will disappear when Ceasar takes hits.

This is not a stomp.

Funny how you have yet to disprove that Sanji's DJ worked inside an ocean, which literally blocks all oxygen from getting to fire. Funny how you have yet to refute my claim that if he can use it underwater, he can use it without oxygen in the air, since water blocks oxygen.

Caesar's poison will only work if Sanji inhales it. Given that Sanji is already holding his breath due to having no oxygen, as you think Caesar will spam that shit, the poison won't work either since Sanji isn't breathing either way when close to Caesar.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

1. Sanji's Diable Jambe was burning underwater, with water being something that blocks oxygen from getting into fire. So it's highly unlikely that Caesar removing oxygen cancels Diable Jambe's heat.

Removing Oxyen is far more effective to eliminate fire than water it's self since the only reason water puts out fire in the first place is because it suffocate its(Take away Oxygen). So removing Oxygen altogether means no fire period.

2. That wasn't a sleep gas. That was Caesar removing the oxygen from the air. Given that Sanji in a substantially weaker body can hold his breath for extended periods of time(while in Nami) while in freezing waters, in his actual body, he'd be able to hold his breath long enough to beat the crap out of Caesar while holding his breath. Not to mention that Caesar would turn on the oxygen again in order to use his burning sword.

Your right that wasn't sleeping Gas but Ceasar has sleeping gas which still proved to be great since it

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. Holding breath doesn't work against Ceasar poisons.

3. Sanji's kicks would logically hit harder than Luffy's base blows. Not to mention that Caesar didn't tank the hit, since it did visible damage to his body. Sanji would only need a few attacks to knock Caesar unconscious, especially since he beat up Yonji, who should be stronger than Caesar, without Diable Jambe.

Sanji kicks would still never be able to put Ceasar down in the time his Gases would put Sanji down. He still tanked that hit yes he was damaged but he still tanked it. He also tanked some hits from G2 Luffy as well.

 

[ToshiZO]

I believe Ceasar being able to manipulate his surroundings via a DF is the key here, imo his ability to stop oxygen altogether would be able to stop Sanji's DJ despite him lighting up underwater.

If it doesn't then that would change the difficulty a bit, as Sanji wouldn't need as much time to take Ceasar down. Poison gas and being poisoned can still remain an issue for him however, because the gas isn't simply going to dissapear if Ceasar is KOd. Sanji lacking good armament feats still remains an issue against a hax logia.

This can never be a stomp for Sanji because at the end of the day poison will always be a threat to a close range fighter lacking in armament hardening.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Removing Oxyen is far more effective to eliminate fire than water it's self since the only reason water puts out fire in the first place is because it suffocate its(Take away Oxygen). So removing Oxygen altogether means no fire period.

I'ma let you mull over the fact that you just said water is less effective than removing oxygen because all water does is remove oxygen.

Your right that wasn't sleeping Gas but Ceasar has sleeping gas which still proved to be great since it

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. Holding breath doesn't work against Ceasar poisons.

Caesar literally says to Luffy "breathe it in" when using his poison and says one of the advantages of Shinokuni is that it can affect the target's skin even if they aren't breathing. The fact that Shinokuni having that effect is an advantage of Caesar's normal poison, and he muses for Luffy to breathe in his poison is proof that if you aren't breathing it in, it won't affect you, which makes sense since it's a GAS which means it's an inhalant as an agent. Caesar has never shown any gas that can harm a person through sheer contact.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

I'ma let you mull over the fact that you just said water is less effective than removing oxygen because all water does is remove oxygen.

I said water is less effective than removing Fire than Oxygen.

Caesar literally says to Luffy "breathe it in" when using his poison and says one of the advantages of Shinokuni is that it can affect the target's skin even if they aren't breathing. The fact that Shinokuni having that effect is an advantage of Caesar's normal poison, and he muses for Luffy to breathe in his poison is proof that if you aren't breathing it in, it won't affect you, which makes sense since it's a GAS which means it's an inhalant as an agent. Caesar has never shown any gas that can harm a person through sheer contact.

Sanji has to breath. You using Nami as an example is baseless when nothing suggest Sanji lungs are better than hers further more Sanji isn't taking Ceasar out in the time limit it takes him to breath do you honestly think Caesar is that weak? Or are you overrating Sanji.

 

[ToshiZO]

Luffy with better haki feats than Sanji can dream of had trouble with Ceasar at times.

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Ceasar's attack was so fast that Luffy was in mid attack and he got blasted.

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CC on panel has shown tanking G2 attacks and with almost no issues, recovering immediately afterwards.

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Sanji even with DJ is not going to just one shot him. And he will take hits here and there gastanet is almost instant. A stomp means there are absolutely zero issues for Sanji and he can just walk up to a guy take zero damage and one shot.

This is far from a stomp.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Luffy with better haki feats than Sanji can dream of had trouble with Ceasar at times.

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Ceasar's attack was so fast that Luffy was in mid attack and he got blasted.

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CC on panel has shown tanking G2 attacks and with almost no issues, recovering immediately afterwards.

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Sanji even with DJ is not going to just one shot him. And he will take hits here and there gastanet is almost instant. A stomp means there are absolutely zero issues for Sanji and he can just walk up to a guy take zero damage and one shot.

This is far from a stomp.

This.

Also Riker is implying that Sanji could take out Ceasar in the time it takes him to release his breath lol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I said water is less effective than removing Fire than Oxygen.

The fuel source of fire is more effective at removing fire than the thing that blocks the fuel source?

Sanji has to breath. You using Nami as an example is baseless when nothing suggest Sanji lungs are better than hers further more Sanji isn't taking Ceasar out in the time limit it takes him to breath do you honestly think Caesar is that weak? Or are you overrating Sanji.

Sanji's body is stronger than Nami's, as he noted by saying that he isn't sure if Nami's body is strong enough to handle Blue Walk. This means that Sanji's lungs would likewise be stronger than hers.

Even if Sanji can't take out Caesar in one breath, what's stopping him from attacking Caesar while holding his breath, moving back to catch his breath, then rinsing and repeat?

Luffy with better haki feats than Sanji can dream of had trouble with Ceasar at times.

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Who ever said Sanji would guarantee land 100% of his hits. It can still be a stomp even if Sanji misses every now and again.

Ceasar's attack was so fast that Luffy was in mid attack and he got blasted.

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Funny that you ignore in the very next couple pages, Luffy dodges an even larger Gastanet with no problem, which defeats your rhetoric that "Omg it's so fast even Luffy got hit"

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CC on panel has shown tanking G2 attacks and with almost no issues, recovering immediately afterwards.

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None of that indicates almost no issues. He took the damage and then counterfired, but the damage is still there. If Sanji or Luffy kept up the blows, Caesar would have no time to recover, the damage would just pile up on him.

Sanji even with DJ is not going to just one shot him. And he will take hits here and there gastanet is almost instant. A stomp means there are absolutely zero issues for Sanji and he can just walk up to a guy take zero damage and one shot.

That's not a stomp. A stomp is beating down on an opponent while taking minimal-no damage. A stomp is asserting yourself as completely dominant over them, which Sanji has the means to do to Caesar.

 

[ToshiZO]

Then you clearly don't know what a stomp is. What you just explained would be a low diff.

And Luffy dodging an even larger explosions erases the fact that he got hit by the smaller explosion mid attack? Yea that's not how this works. Luffy got tagged by Gastonet.

If this was like Sanji's third time going at Ceasar then maybe you would have an argument, but Sanji is not stomping Ceasar his first go. It takes time to get accustomed to a hax logia like Ceasar, nothing Sanji has done implies he can just stomp someone like Ceasar without getting the hang of things first.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Stomp, low-diff, it's all the same damn thing.

 

[ToshiZO]

This fight would be closer to the lower end of mid diff the first time through. Anyways, Sanji wins handily, no point in continuing this any further.

 

[king madara]

Sanji Stomps

 

[Portgas D Xatch]

I thought Diablo jambe was heat caused by friction, the friction then generating enough heat caused combustion. Lack of oxygen wouldn't stop his leg from achieving ember like heat still, probably just no flame. That being said I still think Caesar wins this fight, until sanji shows some greater feats (something that will happen soon)

 

[Punk Hazard]

I thought Diablo jambe was heat caused by friction, the friction then generating enough heat caused combustion. Lack of oxygen wouldn't stop his leg from achieving ember like heat still, probably just no flame. That being said I still think Caesar wins this fight, until sanji shows some greater feats (something that will happen soon)

And that's exactly what happened underwater. With the water blocking his oxygen, Sanji's leg just heated up greatly, but none of the flames we saw against Judge or Doflamingo, as examples, appeared.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Nah fam, DJ doesn't need any oxygen at all. Oxygen burns because it is there otherwise the reason of DJ is friction :sdo:... There wouldn't be a sun with this logic ya'll are using :sdo:

 

[Portgas D Xatch]

But there's no oxygen in space so how can the sun be on fire?

 

[WhistleBlower]

I'll smash that shitty gas bastard up good!

 

[Punk Hazard]

Nah fam, DJ doesn't need any oxygen at all. Oxygen burns because it is there otherwise the reason of DJ is friction :sdo:... There wouldn't be a sun with this logic ya'll are using :sdo:

The sun is powered by fusion, not through oxygen.

 

[Love Cook]

But there's no oxygen in space so how can the sun be on fire?

Are you for real ?

The sun isn't really 'on fire' and it doesn't burn like things on earth do. Like Riker said, it's a constant nuclear reaction where hydrogen is being fused into helium.

Hope your dream wasn't to become an astronaut one day.