Fact | Genjutsu Immunity; The Hōzuki Clan

[Gabby-chan]

Concede, damnit

 

[Byakuren]

I concede to the argument concerning Sasori. My response concerning it would be too reaching.

But I still stand by my argument concerning Suigetsu. Under the circumstances that he is entirely water, he has no core, nothing to maintain his consciousness or keep his senses functioning. Chakra can send information from one point to another and even transmit consciousness from one person to another. But still, there is always a biotic sender and reciever with these kind of things, one that posseses something (be it a core or brain) capable of processing and translating this information or consciousness to something coherent.


Besides, saying that chakra and water are enough to sustain life is a bunch of malarkey. Manga already shows us that to have chakra isn't just enough to create life. A physical body is needed to contain that chakra. And even then, life needs to be given to that physical body containing that chakra.

Water can easily be seen as the biotic. Water's very composition consist of two components: Hydrogen, and Oxygen. You can look at the structuring like this: H2 (Hydrogen 2x) is the receiver, receiving the chakra from the biotic distributor. O (Oxygen) is the distributor sending chakra to H2. This isn't far-fetched/reaching in the least, seeing as chakra is life (we've seen inanimate objects brought to life via Natural Energy i.e. Kabuto's technique called: Muki Tensei), and oxygen acts as the distributor. This works, because we've never seen Suigetsu do anything that goes against this thesis. Every technique Suigetsu performs pertains to water. For example his water gun technique - Oxygen provides the chakra, whilst H2 acts as the median exuding the received chakra in the process/instructed way wished. I'm actually going to look further into this theory. Edit: Further more H2 can be even further explained like this: H (One Hydrogen atom) could act as the receiver, while H(another hydrogen atom connected to the previous hydrogen atom that would make up H2) would act as the median, performing the actions the receiver (the other hydrogen atom) instructs.

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[Gabby-chan]

Water can easily be seen as the biotic. Water's very composition consist of two components: Hydrogen, and Oxygen. You can look at the structuring like this:

H2 (Hydrogen 2x) is the receiver, receiving the chakra from the biotic distributor.
O (Oxygen) is the distributor sending chakra to H2.

This is VERY reaching. It simply does not work that way. Referring to hydrogen as a plausible reciever for processing and translating memory and the five senses (information recieved and broken down by the brain) and something as vast as consciousness is laughable. It simply does not work that way.
Even something as seemingly simplistic as reaction is still confined to the usage of ones brains via stimulation of neural pathways found in the Reflex Arc.

(we've seen inanimate objects brought to life via Natural Energy i.e. Kabuto's technique called: Muki Tensei), and oxygen acts as the distributor. This works, because we've never seen Suigetsu do anything that goes against this thesis.

....I don't even want to comment on this. The temporary life Kabuto gives to the abiotic objects around him is in no way comparible to the life of a human, with consciousness, sensitivity, intelligence, self-awareness. Please don't claim you aren't reaching when your hand is on the moon and you're sitting down on earth.

Every technique Suigetsu performs pertains to water. For example his water gun technique - Oxygen provides the chakra, whilst H2 acts as the median exuding the received chakra in the process/instructed way wished. I'm actually going to look further into this theory.

Yeah, heh, you need to look much further into a lot of what you're saying.

 

[Byakuren]

This is VERY reaching. It simply does not work that way. Referring to hydrogen as a plausible reciever for processing and translating memory and the five senses (information recieved and broken down by the brain) and something as vast as consciousness is laughable. It simply does not work that way.
Even something as seemingly simplistic as reaction is still confined to the usage of ones brains via stimulation of neural pathways found in the Reflex Arc.


....I don't even want to comment on this. The temporary life Kabuto gives to the abiotic objects around him is in no way comparible to the life of a human, with consciousness, sensitivity, intelligence, self-awareness. Please don't claim you aren't reaching when your hand is on the moon and you're sitting down on earth.



Yeah, heh, you need to look much further into a lot of what you're saying.

You didn't know about Sasori's genetic make-up yet you're claiming splitting your conscious into a multitude of present atoms is impossible. I'll go into more detail in second. This is in no way reaching, you just don't want to concede. You're like my ex; bullheaded.

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[Gabby-chan]

You're like my ex; bullheaded.

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*****...

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

You didn't know about Sasori's genetic make-up yet you're claiming splitting your conscious into a multitude of present atoms is impossible. I'll go into more detail in second. This is in no way reaching, you just don't want to concede. You're like my ex; bullheaded.

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Lmfao!

 

[Gabby-chan]

Fight me.

 

[Gabby-chan]

>Says he isn't reaching


>Goes into atomical theoretics.


I'm about to call it a night.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

This fight is getting intense.

 

[Byakuren]

This is VERY reaching. It simply does not work that way. Referring to hydrogen as a plausible reciever for processing and translating memory and the five senses (information recieved and broken down by the brain) and something as vast as consciousness is laughable. It simply does not work that way.
Even something as seemingly simplistic as reaction is still confined to the usage of ones brains via stimulation of neural pathways found in the Reflex Arc.


....I don't even want to comment on this. The temporary life Kabuto gives to the abiotic objects around him is in no way comparible to the life of a human, with consciousness, sensitivity, intelligence, self-awareness. Please don't claim you aren't reaching when your hand is on the moon and you're sitting down on earth.



Yeah, heh, you need to look much further into a lot of what you're saying.

You conceded earlier to Sasori's make-up being that of symbiotic (i.e. Sasori's puppet body, and his core act in a symbiotic relationship). The same exact thing happens with water. H2 cannot be H2O with the O. Similar to how Sasori cannot be Sasori without the core. What's all this simplify into Gabby? Each possessing a symbiotic relationship (i.e. chakra to median). Sasori is the median, while his core is what makes him whole. H2 is the median, while O is what makes it whole (H2O). Chakra is capable of storing information. Information as we can clearly see from Sasori's case is capable of containing the conscious, as well the ability to possess the five senses. How its able to do this? I have no idea, no one does except for Kishimoto, but when it comes down to it, its fact. As I stated before, chakra is the solvent to everything. (Median): H - Median, the brain in a sense. This Hydrogen atom gives out the commands. (Execution): H - Execution. The twin Hydrogen atom executes the Median Hydrogen atoms instructions, being sent the chakra to do so from O. (Chakra): O - Chakra. The distributor. Oxygen is the chakra distributor, sending out the chakra on Hydrogen's (the Median) command. Not seeing how this is hard to understand, when it in itself makes sense with all the fiction, and utter impossibilities that happen within the manga.

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[Gabby-chan]

You conceded earlier to Sasori's make-up being that of symbiotic (i.e. Sasori's puppet body, and his core act in a symbiotic relationship). The same exact thing happens with water. H2 cannot be H2O with the O. Similar to how Sasori cannot be Sasori without the core. What's all this simplify into Gabby? Each possessing a symbiotic relationship (i.e. chakra to median). Sasori is the median, while his core is what makes him whole. H2 is the median, while O is what makes it whole (H2O). Chakra is capable of storing information. Information as we can clearly see from Sasori's case is capable of containing the conscious, as well the ability to possess the five senses. How its able to do this? I have no idea, no one does except for Kishimoto, but when it comes down to it, its fact. As I stated before, chakra is the solvent to everything. H - Median, the brain in a sense. This Hydrogen atom gives out the commands. H - Execution. The twin Hydrogen atom executes the Median Hydrogen atoms instructions, being sent the chakra to do so from O. O - Chakra. The distributor. Oxygen is the chakra distributor, sending out the chakra on Hydrogen's (the Median) command. Not seeing how this is hard to understand, when it in itself makes sense with all the fiction, and utter impossibilities that happen within the manga.

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Nice fanfic. I never once said that chakra couldn't transfer or store information. But it still isn't capable of processing and translating that information into something coherent. The H2 and the 0 simply aren't adequate recievers and cannot fuction/process information with the same effeciency that a brain (or core) could. Stop trying to brush off your atomical theoretics as something plausible and simplistic, when it's not. Its a complex hypotheses that is insufficient and incompatible with this scenario. Chakra cannot do everything alone, it is not totality. Yin is not complete without Yang. In a literal sense. But considering it's 12:08 and I am tired and still have to study, I will not delve further into this. You can make as big a response as you want, but you'll always be wrong. Just wanted to let you know that. I have to hand out the L's before I take my leave.

 

[Byakuren]

Nice fanfic. I never once said that chakra couldn't transfer or store information. But it still isn't capable of processing and translating that information into something coherent. The H2 and the 0 simply aren't adequate recievers and cannot fuction/process information with the same effeciency that a brain (or core) could. Stop trying to brush off your atomical theoretics as something plausible and simplistic, when it's not. Its a complex hypotheses that is insufficient and incompatible with this scenario. Chakra cannot do everything alone, it is not totality. Yin is not complete without Yang. In a literal sense. But considering it's 12:08 and I am tired and still have to study, I will not delve further into this. You can make as big a response as you want, but you'll always be wrong. Just wanted to let you know that. I have to hand out the L's before I take my leave.

Ignorance is bliss. I don't give two shits if you're getting an attitude over this, simply admit you're wrong, or quit responding it's that easy. What's the difference between a core, and H2O molecules that possess theoretically if using this manga's logic Yin, and Yang? Yang being H2, and Yin being O. This has nothing to do with the complete real world theory of atoms, that's what you're losing yourself on. This is adding Naruto world logic, to simply one of the most known atomic components; water. Nothing more. Explain how the core in Sasori is anymore plausible in the fact that it acts as his brain/sensory system, over H2O molecules in which possess the same method of induction in a more plausible way than that of his core, in regards to Suigetsu's body composition. You can't. Because you're relying heavily on real world atomic theory, rather than manga portrayal. You get donkey of the day for not only attempting to serve me an "L", when you yourself have been served an L for not knowing the difference between real world logic, and manga logic. You can dislike this, or all my post for all I care. It just signifies how brine you are. Over a damn manga, and you claim you're in college. Hilarious. Miss me with that petty shit.

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