Sasori vs Jugo and Suigetsu

[Gabby-chan]

Conditions: Normal Sasori vs War Arc Suigetsu and Jugo. 10-15 m

Intel: Manga

Intent: Kill

Location: Final Valley

S1: Sasori starts off as Hiruko.

S2: Sasori starts off with Kazekage Puppet

 

[super yang]

sasori poisons & takes juugos head w/ *hirukos tail in a trade off that forces him into default *scorpion setup, where instead of releasing the *kazekage, he just incinerates suigetsu w/ *napalm cannons & calls it a day.

if U wanna say suigetsu takes over the lake, then sasori will use *kazekage, get airborne & either outlast him or destroy the lake bed, diverting it til it drains away.

 

[Gabby-chan]

sasori takes juugos head w/ *hirukos tail in a trade off that sends him into default *scorpion setup, where instead of releasing the *kazekage, he just incinerates suigetsu w/ *napalm cannons & calls it a day

Sorry if it's a bad match up. I'm experimenting different match ups to make the most challenging one.

 

[Booker]

Sasori wins both rounds.

 

[Shigeo Kageyama]

Suigetsu trumps Sasori anyway you put it. Sasori's attacks are mostly based on dominating his opponent's physical parameters. The use of puppets both metaphorically and literally overpowers his opponent physically. Poisons suppress opponents-physically. Unfortunately suigetsu is almost impervious to physical attacks so sasori's edge is losti

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

What honestly made you think this was debatable?

 

[super yang]

What honestly made you think this was debatable?

the location alone, already makes it debateable

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

the location alone, already makes it debateable

Yea i agree Suigetsu water demon is use full but it still doesn't protect him from poison.

 

[Gabby-chan]

What honestly made you think this was debatable?

the location alone, already makes it debateable

Thank you, Yang-san. People can be so rude :wesobi:

 

[Paulson3lt]

Couldn't Jugo's V2 cannon he used against Raikage decimate half of Sasori's puppets?

 

[Gabby-chan]

Couldn't Jugo's V2 cannon he used against Raikage decimate half of Sasori's puppets?

I thought that with team work and collaborated attacks, the two might be able to beat Sasori the way Chiyo and Sakura did. Juugo is much faster and arguably stronger than early Shippuden Sakura. His healing factors might give him immunity to poison. Suigetsu can...help out.

 

[Paulson3lt]

I thought that with team work and collaborated attacks, the two might be able to beat Sasori the way Chiyo and Sakura did. Juugo is much faster and arguably stronger than early Shippuden Sakura. His healing factors might give him immunity to poison. Suigetsu can...help out.

Yeah I definitely don't see this as a stomp either way. Sasori's poison and numerous puppets are going to be the biggest factor here for team 2. Especially in scenario 2 with the kazekage puppet which I could see taming jugo.

However starting location favors team 2 in this. I don't see why Jugo couldn't blitz Sasori and throw a canon punch and destroy everything he has.

 

[Red Slayer]

My man Sasori wins mmm!

 

[Byakuren]

Give Suigetsu intel on Sasori's core, and he can take the first scenario alone thanks to his speed being much superior to Sasori's own. Scenario two as well can be taken solely by Suigetsu, especially when the distance is merely 15-20 meters (i.e. Suigetsu is capable of covering this nigh instantly, as shown in my signature). I'm under the impression that Sasori is pressured, unable to perform any Iron Sand constructs before Suigetsu blitz, destroying his core with Mizudeppō no Jutsu. Jūgo is a liability due to poison susceptibility.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Sasori wins. Takes out Jugo with a poison needle. Traps Suigetsu in Iron Sand and cooks him with a flame thrower.

 

[Byakuren]

Sasori wins. Takes out Jugo with a poison needle. Traps Suigetsu in Iron Sand and cooks him with a flame thrower.

Suigetsu is leagues faster than Sasori. Sakura, through Chiyo's control was capable of dodging the Iron Sand. Suigetsu is far superior to both in speed as well, Iron Sand isn't touching Suigetsu in any way, shape, or form. And with the constant pressure, Sasori isn't changing forms. Suigetsu will eventually find Sasori's core be it through Tate Eboshi, or Mizudeppō no Jutsu abuse.

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[Brother Numpsay]

Suigetsu is leagues faster than Sasori.

Irrelevant when Sasori and Deidara was portrayal to have riving speed stats (DB). And their Edo Tensei forms has shown to be = in reaction. Same Deidara who can react to Sasuke's speed.

Sakura, through Chiyo's control was capable of dodging the Iron Sand. Suigetsu is far superior to both in speed as well, Iron Sand isn't touching Suigetsu in any way, shape, or form.

If Sasori was planing on capturing Suigetsu with Satetsu Kesshū (Giant Blocks construction) then yeah you would have a point. But he has no reason when he notice and speed difference in his enemy, yet alone capable of avoiding poisoned via liquidifcation. He easily rely on its AoE jutsus which Suigetsu isnt escaping, excluding the lake. And thats the only argument you can make here, not by foot speed lol.

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Except nothing is stopping Sasori and definitely not Suigetsu foot speed being the reason. Tate Eboshi is easy target to capture him. Mizudeppo is useless unless it actually hits Sasori's core, which can be protected, as he has nothing that can breach IS defense.

 

[Byakuren]

Irrelevant when Sasori and Deidara was portrayal to have riving speed stats (DB). And their Edo Tensei forms has shown to be = in reaction. Same Deidara who can react to Sasuke's speed.

If Sasori was planing on capturing Suigetsu with Satetsu Kesshū then yeah you would have a point. But he has no reason when he notice that he can avoid being poisoned. He easily rely on its AoE jutsus which Suigetsu isnt escaping, excluding the lake. And thats the only arugment you can make here, not by foot speed lol.

Except nothing is stopping Sasori and definitely not Suigetsu foot speed being the reason. Tate Eboshi is easy target to capture him. Mizudeppo is useless unless it actually hits Sasori's core, which can be protected, as he has nothing that can breach IS defense.

Suigetsu > Hebi Sasuke > Deidara >/=/< Sasori in footspeed. War-arc Suigetsu was shown to blitz Spiral Zetsu, who Ei himself could not in base. GKS Suigetsu was shown to intercept V1 Ei on the brink of killing Sasuke, as well Kirābī. Bringing up Hebi Sasuke's speed is a non-factor here, as well using the databook to base speed/reaction off of. The only liable information regarding speed you should follow is manga portrayal. Along with Hebi Sasuke being several meters away (i.e. mid range); Deidara barely reacted irregardless. Regarding your Iron Sand claim; No, footspeed isn't my only argument, though its the only one that should shutdown any further comments in regards to Iron Sand touching Suigetsu. Though that doesn't matter, seeing as the substance would merely pass through Suigetsu's body, as he's purely liquid. Iron Sand is a solid, and isn't like sand (e.i. possessing absorption qualities). The metallic sand would phase through Suigetsu, allowing him to continue his assault without bodily harm. Poison isn't doing anything as well, I'm baffled as to why above posters even brought such a thing up. The footspeed argument has already been shut down, Tate Eboshi isn't needed, though even so, Iron Sand isn't doing anything to Suigetsu in that form, especially when he can fuse with the lake in case of "attempt to capture/conceal" approaches are taken, reforming into his base form. Though that as well isn't a needed approach. Mizudeppō: Nichō (Water Gun: Two Guns) is definetely not useless here: You must be registered for see images Capable of smashing through Mokuton. Several shots of that would hit Sasori's core rather being coordinated, or not. If that isn't a premise you're willing to accept; Suiton: Gōsuiwan no Jutsu paired with Kubikiribōchō would be enough to completely smash through Sasori in Hiruko, and Sasori's final form. Slicing him up would do the trick as well, as only blunt attacks were shown to be ineffective against Sasori. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images

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[Gabby-chan]

Suigetsu > Hebi Sasuke > Deidara > Sasori in footspeed. War-arc Suigetsu was shown to blitz Spiral Zetsu, who Ei himself could not in base. GKS Suigetsu was shown to intercept V1 Ei on the brink of killing Sasuke, as well Kirābī. Bringing up Hebi Sasuke's speed is a non-factor here, as well using the databook to base speed/reaction off of. The only liable information regarding speed you should follow is manga portrayal. Along with Hebi Sasuke being several meters away (i.e. mid range); Deidara barely reacted irregardless. Regarding your Iron Sand claim; No, footspeed isn't my only argument, though its the only one that should shut any further comments in regards to Iron Sand touching Suigetsu. Though that doesn't matter, seeing as the substance would merely pass through Suigetsu's body, as he's purely liquid. Iron Sand is a solid, and isn't like sand (e.i. possessing absorption qualities). The metallic sand would phase through Suigetsu, allowing him to continue his assault without bodily harm. Poison isn't doing anything as well, I'm baffled as to why above posters even brought such a thing up. The footspeed argument has already been shut down, Tate Eboshi isn't needed, though even so, Iron Sand isn't doing anything to Suigetsu in that form, especially when he can fuse with the lake in case of "attempt to capture/conceal" approaches are taken, reforming into his base form. Though that as well isn't a needed approach. Mizudeppō: Nichō (Water Gun: Two Guns) is definetely not useless here: You must be registered for see images Capable of smashing through Mokuton. Several shots of that would hit Sasori's core rather being coordinated, or not. If that isn't a premise you're willing to accept; Suiton: Gōsuiwan no Jutsu paired with Kubikiribōchō would be enough to completely smash through Sasori in Hiruko, and Sasori's final form. Slicing him up would do the trick as well, as only blunt attacks were shown to be ineffective against Sasori. Spoiler You must be registered for see images You must be registered for see images

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g---good job, Kijin-kun...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Suigetsu > Hebi Sasuke in footspeed.

I could of just stop reading from here, but I rather bring up your flaw reasoning for now.

War-arc Suigetsu was shown to blitz Spiral Zetsu, who Ei himself could not in base.

Which absolutely proves nothing. You have no evidence on how fast Ay is without Raiton, yet along against Hebi's so ABC logic is thrown out the window.

GKS Suigetsu was shown to intercept V1 Ei on the brink of killing Sasuke, as well Kirābī. Bringing up Hebi Sasuke's speed is a non-factor here, as well using the databook to base speed/reaction off of. The only liable information regarding speed you should follow is manga portrayal. Along with Hebi Sasuke being several meters away (i.e. mid range); Deidara barely reacted irregardless.

First of all GKS=War Arc as there was no gap where Suigetsu could of improved his speed lmao. All you have proved here is that Suigetu is capable of reacting to an attack speed such as V1 Ay nothing more nothing less. Does not mean he is faster then Hebi Sasuke. Makes zero sense.

Regarding your Iron Sand claim; No, footspeed isn't my only argument, though its the only one that should shut any further comments in regards to Iron Sand touching Suigetsu. Though that doesn't matter, seeing as the substance would merely pass through Suigetsu's body, as he's purely liquid. Iron Sand is a solid, and isn't like sand (e.i. possessing absorption qualities). The metallic sand would phase through Suigetsu, allowing him to continue his assault without bodily harm. Poison isn't doing anything as well, I'm baffled as to why above posters even brought such a thing up.

Lol stop my premised clearly states "Trap In Iron Sand" as in compressed shaped in formed. And you have no evidence that Suigetsu can leak himself out of a compressed Iron as it becomes completely solid from that point. So my point stays clear that once trapped he gets cooked.

The footspeed argument has already been shut down, Tate Eboshi isn't needed, though even so, Iron Sand isn't doing anything to Suigetsu in that form, especially when he can fuse with the lake in case of "attempt to capture/conceal" approaches are taken, reforming into his base form. Though that as well isn't a needed approach.

Your footspeed argument is garbage, you tried to compare Suigetsu to base Ay as if it means anything.
What feats do you have that makes you assume Suigetsu will be fast enough to reform and escape from being captured? This guy could barley react to a TBB being charged and fired in his face.

Capable of smashing through Mokuton. Several shots of that would hit Sasori's core rather being coordinated, or not. If that isn't a premise you're willing to accept; Suiton: Gōsuiwan no Jutsu paired with Kubikiribōchō would be enough to completely smash through Sasori in Hiruko, and Sasori's final form. Slicing him up would do the trick as well, as only blunt attacks were shown to be ineffective against Sasori.

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Of course Im not accepting that when the fact that is IS easily tanks the jutsu with ease.

Unless Suigetsu Kubikiribōchō is going to pack more power then Sakura then yea you will have a point. Until evidence is shown Suigetsu, AT BEST, with Kubikiribōchō (along with arm increase) would take out Hiruko along with Sasori. And even then that will be shaky to actually correctly hit his core along with. And thats literally not a realistic scenario happening.