[VS] Ace vs Urouge

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

How? Because he lost to G4 tankman Luffy and Nami exploiting his weakness?

He's pretty stupid fighter if u asked me... how u gonna let someone just **** up your attack like that... and then let her do it for 11 hours 2 :|
And then go attack Luffy while he is uber full instead of attacking the person ruining your crackers :|

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ace is overrated. People try and justify his strength by saying he was a Commander of WB.

How is that overrating ... ppl do that with sabo ... (ace clashed and fought yonko) as well as every other yonko commander why not do the same for ace who had the same rank...:|

 

[ToshiZO]

He's pretty stupid fighter if u asked me... how u gonna let someone just **** up your attack like that... and then let her do it for 11 hours 2 :|
And then go attack Luffy while he is uber full instead of attacking the person ruining your crackers :|

He's one of the most retarded fighters in the manga, and this manga has tons of stupid people. Lets a girl and some trees sabotage him for 11 hours straight with no answer, sees that his biscuits are getting countered / sees Luffy use the same pattern (eating, fighting, running), yet only keeps feeding Luffy more biscuits over the course of 11 hours.

The fact that something like this lasted 11 hours is a testament to Cracker's lack of versatility and a lack of a brain.

 

[Bogard]

No idea who that 4th commander Urouge defeated was but the portrayal around it made it seem like Urouge stood out comparatively to even Kid(albeit most likely at a previous moment of time), so depending on how strong current Urouge is, he has means to be a powerful threat, however it seems his ability works better against brawler types. Ace's fire may be a good counter allowing him to win without too much trouble

 

[OG sama]

He's pretty stupid fighter if u asked me... how u gonna let someone just **** up your attack like that... and then let her do it for 11 hours 2 :|
And then go attack Luffy while he is uber full instead of attacking the person ruining your crackers :|

Yeah Oda didn't handle the fight like he should have, first off the fight should have been strictly 1on1. Second of all, Crackers clones having a weakness to rain has to be one of the most stupidest weakness you can give a Top 3 Yonko commander.

Did Oda give the WB commanders stupid weaknesses like this? Hell no so why does someone with the same rank in BMs crew have one?

I thought this fight was meant to show Luffy surpassed DD, because lets be real here, if Luffy can't even beat someone whos most likely not even the second strongest BM commander in Cracker without help then why in the hell are we even thinking about tag teaming Kaido next arc?

This fight could have hyped both Luffy and Cracker, he could have finally improved the time limit of G4 and still had kept up with Luffy and got took out more realistically.

I mean seriously how are you a Top 3 Yonko commander and have a weakness to pain?

 

[Bogard]

Yeah Oda didn't handle the fight like he should have, first off the fight should have been strictly 1on1. Second of all, Crackers clones having a weakness to rain has to be one of the most stupidest weakness you can give a Top 3 Yonko commander.

Did Oda give the WB commanders stupid weaknesses like this? Hell no so why does someone with the same rank in BMs crew have one?

I thought this fight was meant to show Luffy surpassed DD, because lets be real here, if Luffy can't even beat someone whos most likely not even the second strongest BM commander in Cracker without help then why in the hell are we even thinking about tag teaming Kaido next arc?

This fight could have hyped both Luffy and Cracker, he could have finally improved the time limit of G4 and still had kept up with Luffy and got took out more realistically.

I mean seriously how are you a Top 3 Yonko commander and have a weakness to pain?

WB commanders >>>>>>>>>>>> Yonko commanders. They were the closest to one piece and the longest term veteran with their captain who was equal to a pirate king, and even without their captain, they were contenders for the yonko title, so obviously their commanders will receive better treatment. They shouldn't be the standard for weak yonko crews

 

[OG sama]

WB commanders >>>>>>>>>>>> Yonko commanders. They were the closest to one piece and the longest term veteran with their captain who was equal to a pirate king, and even without their captain, they were contenders for the yonko title, so obviously their commanders will receive better treatment. They shouldn't be the standard for weak yonko crews

Except BM doesn't have a weak crew, and you can't just call a crew that has been able to stalemate the other 3 Yonko for who knows how long much much weaker than WBs crew.

If there's such a big gap between the two forces how in the hell has BM kept her territory?

Also BBs crew just one year after MF was able to beat Marco and the WB remnants and even take their territory so they definitely can't be as strong as you're making them out to be.

They clearly needed WB and as soon as he died, all his territory was BBs within a year. I fail to see where WBs crew has been portrayed to be so much better than any other Yonko crew.

 

[Bogard]

Except BM doesn't have a weak crew, and you can't just call a crew that has been able to stalemate the other 3 Yonko for who knows how long much much weaker than WBs crew.

If there's such a big gap between the two forces how in the hell has BM kept her territory?

Also BBs crew just one year after MF was able to beat Marco and the WB remnants and even take their territory so they definitely can't be as strong as you're making them out to be.

They clearly needed WB and as soon as he died, all his territory was BBs within a year. I fail to see where WBs crew has been portrayed to be so much better than any other Yonko crew.

The ">>>>" was an exaggeration, don't mind it. It was just to say that WB pirates were portrayed to be superior to regular yonko pirates in the manga, but of course the gap isn't big. Just that i'd take WB's firstmate over any other yonko firstmate, i'd take his secondmate over any other yonko secondmate to the point that i think WB's secondmate may compare to a regular yonko firstmate.

WB was never interested in becoming pirate king, but it's been mentioned by multiple characters(Garp, Doflamingo and so on) that he could have been pirate king anytime he wanted to and was ruling the seas while sitting on top of the throne. Of course without their captain(as powerful as a pirate king) they will be weaker than a yonko crew but that's not the point.

The point was to show how even without their captain, without Ace, without Thatch, without Teach(who later became yonko himself), with Jozu crippled, they were still considered as contenders for the yonko title before getting overwhelmed by Teach's group(who became the yonkos in their stead). The fact that it's by defeating that crew that Teach became a yonko to the world's view is proof enough how that crew was portrayed to be of a higher caliber than normal yonko crews

 

[ToshiZO]

I honestly believe Shanks' commanders will be > WB's. If Cracker is Big Mom's 3rd strongest, then he's already very impressive.

 

[Bogard]

I honestly believe Shanks' commanders will be > WB's. If Cracker is Big Mom's 3rd strongest, then he's already very impressive.

With the portrayal WB pirates received so far i don't think so, and Oda is very consistent when it comes down to his power-scaling comparatively to others while not taking into factors his pacing(his power-scaling since marineford remains consistent even until now), but we'd see about that i guess. Where do you rank Yasopp in Shanks' crew?

 

[ToshiZO]

With the portrayal WB pirates received so far i don't think so, and Oda is very consistent when it comes down to his power-scaling comparatively to others while not taking into factors his pacing(his power-scaling since marineford remains consistent even until now), but we'd see about that i guess. Where do you rank Yasopp in Shanks' crew?

Top 5 is a safe bet. If you were to over analyze this panel he might even be top 3.

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[OG sama]

The ">>>>" was an exaggeration, don't mind it. It was just to say that WB pirates were portrayed to be superior to regular yonko pirates in the manga, but of course the gap isn't big. Just that i'd take WB's firstmate over any other yonko firstmate, i'd take his secondmate over any other yonko secondmate to the point that i think WB's secondmate may compare to a regular yonko firstmate.

WB was never interested in becoming pirate king, but it's been mentioned by multiple characters(Garp, Doflamingo and so on) that he could have been pirate king anytime he wanted to and was ruling the seas while sitting on top of the throne. Of course without their captain(as powerful as a pirate king) they will be weaker than a yonko crew but that's not the point.

The point was to show how even without their captain, without Ace, without Thatch, without Teach(who later became yonko himself), with Jozu crippled, they were still considered as contenders for the yonko title before getting overwhelmed by Teach's group(who became the yonkos in their stead). The fact that it's by defeating that crew that Teach became a yonko to the world's view is proof enough how that crew was portrayed to be of a higher caliber than normal yonko crews

Yeah I see what you mean, I guess I should just not get my hopes up too much with BMs crew.

But heres the big question, what role will Marco and the WB pirates have assuming they are going to help out in the Wano arc.

I read something about a monkey and a pheasant a while back and always thought that it would be Marco, Luffy, and maybe Law or Drake or Kid teaming up in the fight against Kaido.

 

[Bogard]

Top 5 is a safe bet. If you were to over analyze this panel he might even be top 3.

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Ok. And did you know that Vista has an implied rivalry with him? So if Yasopp really is Shanks' top3, that would make a Shanks top3 potentially on Vista level, who isn't in the top3 of WB pirates

 

[chopstickchakra]

Top 5 is a safe bet. If you were to over analyze this panel he might even be top 3.

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Since you invited over analysis I'd say that photo actually shows Yasopp as the number 2 he's closer to Shanks in depth than Beckmann and he's on the side of his missing arm which could imply he's Shanks' missing arm.

Then just to be a **** I could say this photo adds credence to the idea Usopp is the number 2 for SH's just like his dad but I'd only say that to upset some people.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ok. And did you know that Vista has an implied rivalry with him? So if Yasopp really is Shanks' top3, that would make a Shanks top3 potentially on Vista level, who isn't in the top3 of WB pirates

Well we'll find out Like I said top 5 is a safe bet, top 3 is just a possibility. Not to mention Vista could end up being top 3 commanders, but as of right now I'll stick with Ace being the 3rd.

Since you invited over analysis I'd say that photo actually shows Yasopp as the number 2 he's closer to Shanks in depth than Beckmann and he's on the side of his missing arm which could imply he's Shanks' missing arm.

Then just to be a **** I could say this photo adds credence to the idea Usopp is the number 2 for SH's just like his dad but I'd only say that to upset some people.

Lol well Beckman is on the right side of Shanks which implies he's the right hand even going by that panel.

 

[OG sama]

Well we'll find out Like I said top 5 is a safe bet, top 3 is just a possibility. Not to mention Vista could end up being top 3 commanders, but as of right now I'll stick with Ace being the 3rd.




Lol well Beckman is on the right side of Shanks which implies he's the right hand even going by that panel.

Wait a minute, if Yassop is Vista level does that mean EOS Usopp will be on that same level? That would be crazy, but I wouldn't have a problem with it.

 

[Passerby]

With the portrayal WB pirates received so far i don't think so, and Oda is very consistent when it comes down to his power-scaling comparatively to others while not taking into factors his pacing(his power-scaling since marineford remains consistent even until now), but we'd see about that i guess. Where do you rank Yasopp in Shanks' crew?

Do you think the 3 Calamities are inferior to WB's 3 Commanders?
Do you think Marco can beat Jack? Or at least does he even have the physical strength to kill Jack when not even that huge ass elephant couldnt kill him.
And what if the other 2 Calamities are stonger than Jack? And since Kaido is hyped to be strongest Pirate wouldnt it be logical for him to have the strongest crew?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Top 5 is a safe bet. If you were to over analyze this panel he might even be top 3.

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Rating Yassop is tricky since he seems to be portrayed as one of Shanks' top 3, but Usopp, who is the weakest SH, will likely surpass him.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

How is that overrating ... ppl do that with sabo ... (ace clashed and fought yonko) as well as every other yonko commander why not do the same for ace who had the same rank...:|

Sabo actually has respectable feats unlike Ace who crumbled to the ground after one punch from BB. Ace rank isn't going to save him when feats suggest something completely different.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Sabo actually has respectable feats unlike Ace who crumbled to the ground after one punch from BB. Ace rank isn't going to save him when feats suggest something completely different.

No he doesn't really ace has better feats then ppl give him credit for. especially stamina as he was able to fight 5 days straight whereas his brother who everyone ranks ahead of him cannot even fight for 1 day

Sure sabo low diffed a vice admiral.
But law did that with vergo once he got his heart back and mid diffed smoker(using law because low doffing a vice admiral is not that impressive compared to the way pll over hype sabo)

Also I believe ace clashed briefly with smoker

Sabo clashed and briefly fought a non serious Fuji

Ace clashed with a very serious akoiji

Both r called the second commander or 2nd man ... etc one for the most wanted man alive the other for the worlds strongest man


No I do not think sabo is weaker then ace before someone says that

I just feel like ppl down play ace... and act as if he has no feats fine he got killed off by akainu

But who wouldn't that's not top tier Luffy law zoro sabo would all get the ace treatment granted not as easily but also keep in mind ace was protecting Luffy -/-