Naruto is the ultimate counter to Sasuke

[Sageflash]

Genjutsu​

As we all know, genjutsu doesn't work on Perfect Jinchuriki, as explained by my boy Killer Bee.

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If Sasuke attempted to put Naruto on a genjutsu, Kurama would dispel it. If he attempted to put Kurama in a genjutsu while he's inside Naruto, then Naruto could dispel it. Their telekinetic link disables any and all genjutsu outside of Infinite Tsukuyomi, which is not castable without the Juubi, Gedo Mazou, and 2 Rinnegan, none of which are available.

Also worth mentioning, Sasuke is not good at

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. He's just not particularly skilled in it, and even Tobito mentioned against Danzo that even though his genjutsu was shit-tier, it still provided that opening against Danzo. Will have 0 effect on a jinchuriki, but just tossing it out there for dissension purposes.

Amaterasu

Sasuke's go-to technique, however, it's useless against Naruto (and anyone low Kage tier). It's been easily dodged by Ay and Kabuto, both of which Naruto surpassed in speed the second he obtained KCM.

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Base Naruto counters this with a simple chakra cloak as he did canonically, causing Sasuke himself to admit Amaterasu is useless.

Also worth noting, Naruto could sense the chakra building up in Sasuke's eye since he has connection with all chakra in the universe, as explained by Obito and Nagato.

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Speed

Naruto is the single fastest at Shunshin/raw foot speed in the manga. His RSM movement = instantaneous transportation as they strike the Kaguya orb at the exact same time when Sasuke used Ameno and Naruto just sprinted toward it.

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Further proof: Naruto blitzed Kaguya several times such as

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and

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, among other times such as Kairiki Musou strike that sent Kaguya into a cliffside, his taijutsu exchange with her using Kage Bunshin and speed, etc.

While Kaguya dodged Sasuke

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(while he launching a surprise attack mind you), and

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(again, another surprise attack).

Reaction/Reflexes

Sasuke's best change at defeating Naruto would be Ameno and pray for it to land. In VoTE, he attempted this and tried to Chidori Naruto. However, that was bad writing because Naruto has better reaction time than that.

Kaguya, much like Janemba, could open portals and launch attacks through there. However, Naruto, at a moments sensed this attack from behind and

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it easily. This attack is instantaneous and requires no prep while Sasuke has to actually cast his jutsu and physically strike at Naruto with Chidori or his sword or what have you. However, as Naruto has proven, that simply won't work because his Sage senses and perception enable him to have the reaction time to dodge it.


Further proof, Naruto not only negated Madara's jutsu with Truth Seeker Orbs, but dodged the light-speed attack and physically

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Madara with raw speed. Naruto has dodged both light-speed attacks and teleportation attacks prior to Sasuke being able to catch him by surprise. That is a case of Plot Induced Stupidity and an author inconsistency. Since Naruto has the showings to dodge these consistently, it's fair to assume this OOC moment was sheer laziness on Kishimoto's part because he had no other way to make the fight equal.

Regardless, furthermore, Naruto has physically tanked fatal piercing damage several damage such as a sword and even Chidori at VoTE1. Even presuming Ameno blitz did land, it wouldn't do much, and the CD would leave Sasuke exposed. He can't lead with this or he leaves himself vulnerable to being blitz and crushed.

Absorption/Rinnegan techniques

Sasuke has never been shown to use any Rinnegan techs besides Chibaku Tensei and to assume he has them is baseless and fanfiction at best. Using this line of thinking, Naruto could do everything every other jin could use such as heat seeking Cat Fireballs, Yagura's weird coral trap attacks, all that kind of thing. However, we can run with it.

First off, nobody has more experience than Naruto in fighting a Rinnegan user. There's nothing Sasuke can do to surprise or catch Naruto off-guard and he effectively knows how to counter all of these fanfiction Rinne-techs.

Limbo - Naruto fought and defeated Limbo clones using only his

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and all can be sealed in one shot with Senpou: Jiton Rasengan or

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.
Deva Path - Already been countered by Base Naruto in canon and now that Naruto is far faster and stronger, there's no reason to believe it would have effect. Wouldn't really have any use but to try and deflect attacks because to use the blast requires prep time and chakra generation, which would leave Sasuke vulnerable to a blitz or FRS.
Preta Path - There's no way in hell Sasuke can absorb

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much firepower, let alone

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one. What's more, even a simple Lava FRS appears to be too much. Madara is an expert with Preta Path and chose to try and

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from Lava FRS from Mystic Naruto as opposed to absorb it. These are attacks Naruto can summon and hurl out in an insant, and even if Sasuke could theoretically absorb it, that takes time. Absorption isn't instantaneous and requires effort. Naruto could launch a TBB with one hand, watch Sasuke absorb it, then launch another with a clone from behind or just keep piling on the firepower til Sasuke overloads and takes the hit. Backpacking on to this, a basic Senpou: Rasen-Shuriken and single TBBFRS matched Indra's Arrow, a Bijuu empowered PS tech that Sasuke annoited his strongest tech. Naruto can produce far more firepower than that.
Animal Path - Pretty useless at this stage of power
Asura Path - Would be more of a chakra waste than anything, those lasers are very ineffective. Maybe could be used as a distraction/decoy technique, but in and of itself, pretty useless
Naraka Path - Would require Sasuke to get in close range and actually grip Naruto, and pray it's not a clone. Presuming that happened, Naruto could just overpower and break Sasuke with Kairi Musou a la Kokuo like he did with Kaguya.
Gedo Mazou - Even teenage Choji could go rock with this. Would get one shot by RSM Naruto, not to mention actually has to be summoned.

Stating again, these are all fanfiction powers for Sasuke as he has shown none of it as his Rinnegan is different than Madara's and comes with different powers. There's reason to assume he has access to any of these until shown, even provided Naruto has counters and experience defeating them.

Summoning Animals
Gamakichi is the size of Bunta now, who is nearly Bijuu sized. Best case scenario it's a draw

Susano'o vs Bijuu Avatar
As canonically happened, Naruto countered Sasuke's Hagoromo blessed PS that was juiced by 8.5 Bijuu. Sasuke no longer has the Bijuu, while Naruto gained a full Kurama which would effectively make him twice as strong, twice as potent vis a vie their chakra melding. Sasuke also has 0 defensive feats with his Susano'o and Naruto's TBBFRS Barrage made Sasuke and his PS look like an ant when they attacked Madara's meteors. His Susano'o does not have the feats to believe he can even tank 1, let alone 6.



TL;DR - Naruto is a bad match for Sasuke and can counter everything he can dish out. He's an anti-Sasuke combat connoisseur. Unrestricted, bloodlusted Naruto would be one of the worst match-ups possible for Sasuke. He hasn't even trained recently and matched Sasuke perfectly, a field agent, in the Boruto movie final fight. He's never even had the chance to unlock his real potential because he's been running the world as opposed to training in his newfound Bijuu powers. Sasuke is a wiley, craft opponent, but he cannot defeat a non plot restricted Naruto Uzumaki​

 

[Jaime the kingslayer]

JJ Madara is counter to both of them.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

how can you say Naruto defeated the Limbo clones if all 4 came back to Madara while the whereabouts of Naruto's clones were unknown?

 

[Netflix and Chill]

how can you say Naruto defeated the Limbo clones if all 4 came back to Madara while the whereabouts of Naruto's clones were unknown?

Assuming that Madara can't make 4 more limbo clones?

OT: sold thread OP, just a heads up though, these many facts are SB repellent so you probably won't see a lot of them here.

 

[UnknownJin]

I know what is this about.... but nice thread bro!

 

[NextGenNinja]

Claims naruto dodged a light speed attack, thinks punching a distracted kaguya is a "blitz" and assumes naruto defeated four limbo clones. Oh boy, i'd like to see the end result of this.

 

[Demonic.]

And yet he couldn't defeat Sasuke a single time

 

[Sageflash]

how can you say Naruto defeated the Limbo clones if all 4 came back to Madara while the whereabouts of Naruto's clones were unknown?

Made 4 more. Either way, the Limbo clones were rendered a non-factor as Naruto countered them without even seeing them. That's a retarded good sensing feat and just goes to show the extent of his chakra sensing and taijutsu powers.

Assuming that Madara can't make 4 more limbo clones?

OT: sold thread OP, just a heads up though, these many facts are SB repellent so you probably won't see a lot of them here.

Thank you as always my friend

I know what is this about.... but nice thread bro!

Just spreading the good word of Lawd Naruto as any good follower of Narutoism does

But in all seriousness, Naruto is a hard-counter to Sasuke and I just wanted to illustrate that factually as opposed to "TBBFRS Spam GG" as is customary in these parts. There's not as much actual thoughtful content anymore so much as "Naruto/Sasuke was held back", "Naruto/Sasuke is weaker than the other", "Lord Naruto/Sasuke negs ur favo u salty?" type shit. It's pretty disappointing. Big reason I miss the Itachi fanbase. They were genuinely hilarious and really pissed people off. NB is dead and the trolling reflects it, it's tasteless and not funny and the same 3 lines are repeated over and over.

And yet he couldn't defeat Sasuke a single time

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Sasuke hasn't beaten Naruto since they were in elementary school straight up. He only won in a fight Naruto intentionally lost at VoTE 1 (Bunta solos), lost on the hospital rooftop, and lost to a restricted, exhausted Naruto at VoTE 2.

Claims naruto dodged a light speed attack, thinks punching a distracted kaguya is a "blitz" and assumes naruto defeated four limbo clones. Oh boy, i'd like to see the end result of this.

Lightning moves at the speed of light in air because the electronic field propagates at the speed of light. I shouldn't have to explain basic science to you, everybody knows the lightning bolt electrons themself don't move at light speed, smart guy. Nothing with mass can do that. Do I have to teach you 5th grade science?

Even if you don't want to call it a blitz, Sasuke couldn't touch Kaguya who had back turned and was focused on another target and was warped away while Naruto tagged her straight up with a chakra claw. Nit pick if you want, you can't refute the point.

Limbo clones, see above. I gotta go for now, but may Lawd Naruto be with you

 

[Jiren]

If ultimate counter means blowing up his arm forcing a stalemate then i agree other than 3-1 and IT says hi

 

[take it easy]

Good thread all what i see.

 

[Nick01]

10/10 thread. Well done.
Ignore the SB trolls.

There are some minor mistakes/incorrect things, but everything is mostly on point.

Overall, this was well constructed.

Still + Rep for the work put into this.

Naruto FTW!!!

 

[Shogo Makishima]

More like Sasukes is narutos ultimate weakness. How else do you explain him chasing a boy for 3 years looking for sauces D. Opinions aside this thread is too many assumptions, hardly any facts.

 

[shelke]

Claims naruto dodged a light speed attack, thinks punching a distracted Kaguya is a "blitz" and assumes naruto defeated four limbo clones. Oh boy, i'd like to see the end result of this.

Not to mention if he was capable of dodging light speed, he would run more than seven laps around earth (NV earth appears to be smaller) in a single second. Yet, all of his blitzes failed against Madara and he could only blitz Kaguya weakened gravely because of chakra over-use.

There is no end-result of this stupidity.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Made 4 more. Either way, the Limbo clones were rendered a non-factor as Naruto countered them without even seeing them. That's a retarded good sensing feat and just goes to show the extent of his chakra sensing and taijutsu powers.

I don't think Madara can create more clones than what he says. I thought getting the second Rinnegan reseted the amount. If he can make more clones then I'd reckon he would've used more than 1 against Naruto/Sasuke back when they first fought JJ Madara Plus there's no evidence he created 4 more clones. Even if I'm wrong here, there's more proof that suggests Madara's Limbos defeated the clones than the opposite or that Naruto's clones couldn't put the Limbos down. Considering Sasuke confirms the clones were still around and RSM Naruto's clones were nowhere in sight. You can't say the clones were rendered a "non factor" if they still remained and Sasuke had to warn Naruto of the shadows' presence.
nonetheless it's a still a great feat for Naruto to fluently fight clones that he can't even visually see.

 

[UnknownJin]

Not to mention if he was capable of dodging light speed, he would run more than seven laps around earth (NV earth appears to be smaller) in a single second. Yet, all of his blitzes failed against Madara and he could only blitz Kaguya weakened gravely because of chakra over-use.

There is no end-result of this stupidity.

Well said man... He didnt blitz Madara

 

[Demonic.]

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Sasuke hasn't beaten Naruto since they were in elementary school straight up. He only won in a fight Naruto intentionally lost at VoTE 1 (Bunta solos), lost on the hospital rooftop, and lost to a restricted, exhausted Naruto at VoTE 2.

-Claims Vote1 wasn't a win for Sasuke despite Sasuke standing over Naruto's unconscious body and walking away

-Claims Vote 2 was a physical win for Naruto despite both of them being in the exact same condition, unable to move.

:lol

 

[HENI]

Made 4 more. Either way, the Limbo clones were rendered a non-factor as Naruto countered them without even seeing them. That's a retarded good sensing feat and just goes to show the extent of his chakra sensing and taijutsu powers.


Thank you as always my friend


Just spreading the good word of Lawd Naruto as any good follower of Narutoism does

But in all seriousness, Naruto is a hard-counter to Sasuke and I just wanted to illustrate that factually as opposed to "TBBFRS Spam GG" as is customary in these parts. There's not as much actual thoughtful content anymore so much as "Naruto/Sasuke was held back", "Naruto/Sasuke is weaker than the other", "Lord Naruto/Sasuke negs ur favo u salty?" type shit. It's pretty disappointing. Big reason I miss the Itachi fanbase. They were genuinely hilarious and really pissed people off. NB is dead and the trolling reflects it, it's tasteless and not funny and the same 3 lines are repeated over and over.

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Sasuke hasn't beaten Naruto since they were in elementary school straight up. He only won in a fight Naruto intentionally lost at VoTE 1 (Bunta solos), lost on the hospital rooftop, and lost to a restricted, exhausted Naruto at VoTE 2.



Lightning moves at the speed of light in air because the electronic field propagates at the speed of light. I shouldn't have to explain basic science to you, everybody knows the lightning bolt electrons themself don't move at light speed, smart guy. Nothing with mass can do that. Do I have to teach you 5th grade science?

Even if you don't want to call it a blitz, Sasuke couldn't touch Kaguya who had back turned and was focused on another target and was warped away while Naruto tagged her straight up with a chakra claw. Nit pick if you want, you can't refute the point.

Limbo clones, see above. I gotta go for now, but may Lawd Naruto be with you

Naruto can't compete without Kyuubi :lol

 

[NextGenNinja]

Lightning moves at the speed of light in air because the electronic field propagates at the speed of light. I shouldn't have to explain basic science to you, everybody knows the lightning bolt electrons themself don't move at light speed, smart guy. Nothing with mass can do that. Do I have to teach you 5th grade science?

We're talking about light fang, correct? The databook said it's actually a beam of light. On that matter,
Naruto dodged the speed in which madara turned his neck. It's not like madara shot that light fang straight at naruto, if he did then you'd have an argument maybe.

Even if you don't want to call it a blitz, Sasuke couldn't touch Kaguya who had back turned and was focused on another target and was warped away while Naruto tagged her straight up with a chakra claw. Nit pick if you want, you can't refute the point.

Kaguya was severely weakened at the point, due to the huge chakra consumption of Ameno. But yes, that does count as a "blitz. Just that one.

Limbo clones, see above. I gotta go for now, but may Lawd Naruto be with you

Then he didn't defeat them, just fought on par with them. The limbo clones returned and surrounded team 7 though.
I honestly think they're equal but it's obvious, you're trying to instigate a war.

 

[Nahtaniel]

Lol....because Naruto knew's about Rinnegan technique, he can counter them ? Against Nagato,don't forget Naruto was saved by Itachi despite knowing all Nagato jutsu.
A Rinnegan user without the plotarmor using all rinnegan ability is fucling OP, and Sasuke has more OP jutsu than Nagato thank to EMS + Rinnegan combianison.

And your argument are wothless, exemple preta path : Sasuke cannot absorb too much chacra ? Why not ? He can boast his Sussano like he has done in the fight, or spam high class jutsu without losing his own chacra.

Edit : Sasuke know Naruto jutsu too, don't forget it. I will dare tell this more easy for Sasuke to counter Naruto 2 jutsu (clone and variante rasengan) than Naruto counter Sasuke's arsenal.

 

[The Messiah]

Limbo is irrelevant since that's Madara's rinnegan technique. Sasuke's is ameno.