[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

[Private Investigator]

The headband that is tucked inside her hooded jacket is able to cast it's shadow on the outside of the jacket?

What are you talking about? The headbands cloth is literally RIGHT THERE IN PLAIN SIGHT. You can see the upper cloth, and the bottom cloth.

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[Waltz]

Well tbh, I'm confused now. Was it chakra that bee used or was that lightning? Because iirc, Sasuke stopped bee from wrecking the sword by channeling his Chidori into the Executioner's Blade but said Chidori didn't look like it affected Bee's sword.

Yeah it was chakra molded into the nature of lightening but regardless if it were a truth in general it could either be assumed that every character can passively differentiate whether or not their chakra is in contact with two different solid objects even if they are made from the same material (something that's to be proven true) or that it's a specific ability of Neji (something we now know to be true). ​

 

[Jinrou]

What are you talking about? The headbands cloth is literally RIGHT THERE IN PLAIN SIGHT. You can see the upper cloth, and the bottom cloth.

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The whole headband was tucked inside her jacket though

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Cloth inclusive.

 

[Private Investigator]

Yeah it was chakra molded into the nature of lightening but regardless if it were a truth in general it could either be assumed that every character can passively differentiate whether or not their chakra is in contact with two different solid objects even if they are made from the same material (something that's to be proven true) or that it's a specific ability of Neji (something we now know to be true). ​

The former statement, simply reinstates the later lol. If all ninja can do it, then of course Neji can.

 

[neosmith500]

Im obviously referring to the largest Panel where Neji's finger is literally and directly on her headband , this same panel where Hinata's specifically spat blood before it started to drain down in the following panels..

-The hit was exactly on her Headband and it cant be argued..

 

[Private Investigator]

The whole headband was tucked inside her jacket though

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Cloth inclusive.

You. Read. Manga. From. Right. To. Left. The. Cloth. Was. Shown. In. The. Left. Panel. Which. Is. Read. After. The. Right. Panel. That. The. Head. Band. Is. Not. Tucked. In. Side. Of. Her. Jacket. Far. Enough. To. Not. Be. Seen.

Goodness.

 

[Waltz]

It really doesn't look like a shadow tbvh. It merely looks like a string of channeled chakra, along with blood splatter littering his bandages. I simply entertained your view point.

Canonical substance? Are we really going to argue cloth has micro fibres.. Let's not do that.

All shadows are drawn this way in the Manga while on the contrary, your proposition of what my highlighted portion of the scan represent is shown, where else?

I'm not arguing against cloth having microfibres, I'm asking where is the basis of your assertion sides personal speculation where cannon is concerned? ​

The former statement, simply reinstates the later lol. If all ninja can do it, then of course Neji can.

Yes..."if".​

 

[Jinrou]

Yeah it was chakra molded into the nature of lightening but regardless if it were a truth in general it could either be assumed that every character can passively differentiate whether or not their chakra is in contact with two different solid objects even if they are made from the same material (something that's to be proven true) or that it's a specific ability of Neji (something we now know to be true). ​

Agreed. But shouldn't the fact that Sasuke stopped bee from wrecking the blade by applying Chidori in the opposite direction as proof that all characters can do it passively?

 

[Private Investigator]

All shadows are drawn this way in the Manga while on the contrary, your proposition of what my highlighted portion of the scan represent is shown, where else?

I'm not arguing against cloth having microfibres, I'm asking where is the basis of your assertion sides personal speculation where cannon is concerned? ​

Yes..."if".​

The basis for why I believe Neji channeled chakra into the cloth on on the headband is because in the progressing manga panel coming right after the left it shows his fingers actually lined up with the cloth.

Here's the thing. Why believe that Neji is capable of sending chakra into a solid substance with no entry pathway, when its NEVER EVER been seen in the manga? Why believe something that's never happened EVER, and can't be proven with other examples vs something that's been seen by the Hyuga, as well others?

Medical ninja send their chakra into people by siphoning their chakra into their allies pores. Hyuga use rotation by exuding chakra out of their pores. Hyuga use air palm by exuding chakra out of their pores. Kakashi/Sasuke use raikiri/chidori by exuding chakra throughout their pores. It's neverendless

Why believe something that's not been seen vs something that has. That's the premise of my assertion.

 

[Jinrou]

You. Read. Manga. From. Right. To. Left. The. Cloth. Was. Shown. In. The. Left. Panel. Which. Is. Read. After. The. Right. Panel. That. The. Head. Band. Is. Not. Tucked. In. Side. Of. Her. Jacket. Far. Enough. To. Not. Be. Seen.

Goodness.

Interesting..so if I unbuttoned the first two buttons of my shirt exposing my inner wear, that inner wear is going to cast a shadow on my shirt?
The only way that headband can cast a shadow on her jacket is if it's outside of the jacket. The headband is tucked in..The cloth is behind the metallic part of the band.. Are you really trying to argue this?

 

[Waltz]

The basis for why I believe Neji channeled chakra into the cloth on on the headband is because in the progressing manga panel coming right after the left it shows his fingers actually lined up with the cloth.

Here's the thing. Why believe that Neji is capable of sending chakra into a solid substance with no entry pathway, when its NEVER EVER been seen in the manga? Why believe something that's never happened EVER, and can't be proven with other examples vs something that's been seen by the Hyuga, as well others?

Medical ninja send their chakra into people by siphoning their chakra into their allies pores. Hyuga use rotation by exuding chakra out of their pores. Hyuga use air palm by exuding chakra out of their pores. Kakashi/Sasuke use raikiri/chidori by exuding chakra throughout their pores. It's neverendless

Why believe something that's not been seen vs something that has. That's the premise of my assertion.

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.

Oh, when you go back to NF, if you see Varrah tell him I said to come back over here and reply to my ****ing PM's and also let him know I won't be logging back on to NF because their so called attuned debaters over there are equivalent to troll's over here and I rather engage in thought full discussion than to build reputation bars off the ignorance of others. ​

 

[neosmith500]

Manga is read right, to left.

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Hinata stays within the same position, until she eventually withdraws. His hand never moves. Both scans show his fingers pointed @ the headband/headband cloth. It's even close to reaching.

My Bad i meant Right..

Im obviously referring to the largest Panel on the right where Neji's finger is literally and directly on her headband , this same panel where Hinata's specifically spat blood before it started to drain down in the following panels..

-The hit was exactly on her Headband and specifically on the Leaf symbol and it cant be argued.

 

[Private Investigator]

Argumentum ad Ignorantiam.

Oh, when you go back to NF, if you see Varrah tell him I said to come back over here and reply to my ****ing PM's and also let him know I won't be logging back on to NF because their so called attuned debaters over there are equivalent to troll's over here and I rather engage in thought full discussion than to build reputation bars off the ignorance of others. ​

Listen. The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence until proven otherwise. You belligerently spouting the pretentious version of: The argument of "ignorance" means nothing. I'll take this as a concession.

The only reason people spout that nonsense is when evidence can't be accumulated. Which here in this very thread it cannot be. Simple.

 

[Waltz]

Agreed. But shouldn't the fact that Sasuke stopped bee from wrecking the blade by applying Chidori in the opposite direction as proof that all characters can do it passively?

No because Sasuke's chakra would have seeped into the crack and countered the chakra shroud on Bee's Katana by covering the executioners blade to that point. ​

 

[Red Slayer]

This is madness _@::wesobi::sdo2:

 

[Waltz]

Listen. The absence of evidence is the evidence of absence until proven otherwise. You belligerently spouting the pretentious version of: The argument of "ignorance" means nothing. I'll take this as a concession.

The only reason people spout that nonsense is when evidence can't be accumulated. Which here in this very thread it cannot be. Simple.

If your argument is that something cannot be true because it has never been seen (despite there being a scan of it being done) then you're arguing from ignorance.

The Anime shows it went through the head band, The manga shows it went through the head band based on the fact that it's impossible for Neji's arm to be flat on her chest given the angle by which she was standing and the fact that there is a shadow of his actual palm right beneath his hand. You gave a proposition on the shadow and made and assertion on the cloth having microfibers being the medium by which Neji's made his chakra affect Hinta's organ and when asked to provide canonical evidence denoting them to be true, your response was a fallacy. ​

 

[Jinrou]

This is madness _@::wesobi::sdo2:

Tell me about it.

- Continues to say chakra has never passed through solid in the manga

- Gets provided with two of those instances (Hinata's headband, Kidomaru's web from final attack) yet he denies those weren't the cases and keeps saying it has never been shown in the manga lol..What are we to do?

 

[Private Investigator]

Tell me about it.

- Continues to say chakra has never passed through solid in the manga

- Gets provided with two of those instances (Hinata's headband, Kidomaru's web from final attack) yet he denies those weren't the cases and keeps saying it has never been shown in the manga lol..What are we to do?

Hinata's headband is the only speculation you all can go off of. And it's not even clear. Kidomaru's web I already proved it didn't so stop with the bullshit. Kidomaru's web had an incision. All it takes is a simple opening for Neji to channel chakra through. It's not hard to understand. Don't act brand new.

This isn't going anywhere.

 

[neosmith500]

Considering the events in that timeframe literally do not differ from the Manga there's no reason why using the anime in this particular case would be bad. Anyway, not sure why you assume for her heart to be damaged he would've had to attack open palmed. Manga and Anime clearly show that he hit the headband.

The dude was already dead the moment i applied the Headband argument + The viz scan of Kidomaro's explanation and this post right here should've sealed the deal since he conveniently chose not to reply to it..

-Anyway it feels like everyone is literally beating a dead horse here , or better yet a dead troll.

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This is madness _@::wesobi::sdo2:

No , this is sparta and this guy is Private investigator.

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[Private Investigator]

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... Seriously? Over a simple argument.

We might as well debate. I told VM'd beans that I was coming after the top debaters. If you're one of them I'd like to debate you.