Madara/Hashirama VoTE explosion

[KidGamer65]

Oh aight. The explosion we see at VOTE is representation of both attack's and all the debris it kicked up. The only reason I mention debris is because it makes it hard to tell how much each attack contributed to the overall blast.

Them all getting behind SS was what I felt like was the logical conclusion. If they interrupted them then you would see explosions in the panels of Madara getting punched since SS would have done so by then, but you don't. If the 2 or 3 you see in the panel with SS mauled through all the hands I don't see what's stopping the others from doing so either.

Wernt you one of the ones that convinced me that Chidori does explode tho?

The only debris you actually see in that explosion are the black colored particles on the right side of the explosion. The rest of that is an actual explosion. Naruto's Bijuu Dama has shown to explode the same exact way and you can't argue that is dust as he clashed against Obito's shield, in mid air.

And I agree with the bold.

I mean that it doesn't explode by itself, but when it clashes with Bijuu Dama/Rasengan/something similar it's energy will end up in the explosion. But I suppose that's because it's an energy attack and SS's fists aren't.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

The only debris you actually see in that explosion are the black colored particles on the right side of the explosion. The rest of that is an actual explosion. Naruto's Bijuu Dama has shown to explode the same exact way and you can't argue that is dust as he clashed against Obito's shield, in mid air.

And I agree with the bold.

I mean that it doesn't explode by itself, but when it clashes with Bijuu Dama/Rasengan/something similar it's energy will end up in the explosion. But I suppose that's because it's an energy attack and SS's fists aren't.

Look at when Naruto's FRS exploded against Pain after cutting through all that rock. The explosion is similar in appearance to the VOTE clash, then look at when it the Raikage, Cerberus, Kakuzu and you actually see an energy sphere. My argument isnt that I fluffed the explosion though, even though it probably did, mearly that it obscures the view and stops you from seeing what's doing what

 

[KidGamer65]

Look at when Naruto's FRS exploded against Pain after cutting through all that rock. The explosion is similar in appearance to the VOTE clash, then look at when it the Raikage, Cerberus, Kakuzu and you actually see an energy sphere. My argument isnt that I fluffed the explosion though, even though it probably did, mearly that it obscures the view and stops you from seeing what's doing what

I know about FRS, but like I said Bijuu Dama has exploded like exactly like that before against Obito's shield.

I can agree with the bold though.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

I know about FRS, but like I said Bijuu Dama has exploded like exactly like that before against Obito's shield.

I can agree with the bold though.

How does it look the same? All I see is the blast wrapping around the shield. I'm not sure if debris is that super important to the argument though, other than the view

 

[Unorthodox]

How does it look the same? All I see is the blast wrapping around the shield. I'm not sure if debris is that super important to the argument though, other than the view

He reaching like a mf

 

[DemonicAvenger]

He reaching like a mf

I don't see it as much of a stretch. I just personally don't see it. Kishi is inconsistent af with his art

 

[BlacLord™]

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i. Wood chips shown being blown off the arms construct through the smoke of the explosion.
ii. Smoke directly coming off of the base of arms on arm construct denoting they were burnt to that point.
iii. No smoke in between Madara's and Hashirama's view point.
iv. Majority of smoke coming from arm construct and behind the kyuubi

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(Shin-Shuusenju's arms).

Other factors:

i. Much larger arms would change the trajectory of the BD's resulting in them running over and through the sides of the arms eventually reaching the back as it would require less work for them to do so.
ii. No BD's exploded on the Main body but as high as the top of the shield.

The Bijuu Dama mauled through many of the incoming arms and the force of this altered their trajectory until they were posterior to SS's Main body then upon impact blew and burn off the arms on the construct. Susano'o was removed from the punches as it was shown to be the case during the collision.

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[KidGamer65]

How does it look the same? All I see is the blast wrapping around the shield. I'm not sure if debris is that super important to the argument though, other than the view

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The only visual difference between these two is the shape and size. None of those looks like these.

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Not to mention debris are particles of junk and dust is smoke. None of which is shown here.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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The only visual difference between these two is the shape and size. None of those looks like these.

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Not to mention debris are particles of junk and dust is smoke. None of which is shown here.

I can see what you mean, you can have this point. I think it would be kinda fallacious to assume there was absolutely no debris tho

 

[BlacLord™]

Is this the scan you're all talking about?

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If so, then it just looks like the result of Shinsuusenju's attacks bolstered by the Bijuudamas inside. You have to take into account that Kurama and its Bijuudamas are much, much smaller than the former's offerings, so you probably wouldn't see the explosions for all smoke, dust and debris kicked up.

 

[KidGamer65]

I can see what you mean, you can have this point. I think it would be kinda fallacious to assume there was absolutely no debris tho

Debris are just fragments of rock or whatever else that was caught in the explosion, and we can see that in the left hand side of the explosion.

 

[Eng nawashi]

If the explosions occurred posterior to Shin-shuusenju, how is the Susano'o Damaged when there would have been Shin-Shuusenju's Main body, the Construct on it's back with the base of the arms and possibly debris from the arms which made impact all between it and the explosive force of the Bijuu Dama? It mingling with the surroundings is doable but my opinion is that the explosive force is not affecting the Susano'o if it couldn't blast it's way completely through Shin-Shuusenju. ​

I didn't say anything about it taking damage .I just said that it was caught in the blast .it not being able to completely blast its away through SS doesn't mean that the explosion hasnt stretched far beyond SS .

 

[Eng nawashi]

Chidori also doesn't explode, yet Sasuke took damage from that and Bijuu Dama when he clashed with Naruto. So either:

-The explosion is a representation of both attack's energies and SS took damage from the BD
-The explosion is only a representation of the Bijuu Dama because SS's fists aren't an energy attack like DA mentioned.
-Half the explosion was caused by SS's fists, but only that is what damaged PS and the other half was caused by Madara, but then only that part (caused by the BD) is what damaged SS.


Which one do you agree with?

And the explosion covered the entire area Madara and Hashirama were in. If one was in the outskirts then the other has to be in the outskirts because they were at most a few Mountain distances away from each other while that explosion spanned multiple Mountain Ranges.

Yeah .chidori is purely chakra while Buddha's fists is chakra taking physical form .it doesn't make sense that fists would contribute to any explosion .I think the explosion is representation of TTB only .

You are right about the outskirts part . Buddha and Susano were only a mountain width away .

 

[Waltz]

Chidori also doesn't explode, yet Sasuke took damage from that and Bijuu Dama when he clashed with Naruto. So either:

-The explosion is a representation of both attack's energies and SS took damage from the BD
-The explosion is only a representation of the Bijuu Dama because SS's fists aren't an energy attack like DA mentioned.
-Half the explosion was caused by SS's fists, but only that is what damaged PS and the other half was caused by Madara, but then only that part (caused by the BD) is what damaged SS.


Which one do you agree with?

And the explosion covered the entire area Madara and Hashirama were in. If one was in the outskirts then the other has to be in the outskirts because they were at most a few Mountain distances away from each other while that explosion spanned multiple Mountain Ranges.



Now I see what you guys mean with the it exploded behind SS point. But where are you getting every single BD exploding from behind the statue's main body from? And answer my post to Eng nawashi too. Curious what you have to say.

DA you answer too when you get the chance.

I agree with the third option because unlike Naruto's and Sasuke's clash, SS's fists didn't make impact with and caused the Bijuu Dama to explode. It can't even be argued due to the fact that only 1 Bijuu Dama was seen in the actual scan by passing the main body because it's impossible for that single Bijuu-Dama to have destroyed all the arms down to their bases as it is impossible for Hashirama and the Main body to have completely avoided damage from the explosions and shockwaves when there is nothing but empty space between their location and the end of the arms. By extension why would they even need to explode when PS Blades are revolving about them in the direction of the fists.

Rather not be hasty to say that every sinlge Bijuu Dama exploded behind it however this is what the Manga shows:

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No spherical explosions denoting Bijuu Dama were exploding near the Kyuubi when the Attacks collided however it shows the Bijuu Dama mauling through the arms and severing it's way towards the back parts of the Buddah. The next page shows a massive explosion and we see pieces of wood sent flying through the smoke where the constructs would have been located:

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[DrProof]

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When you're high af, but want to be the new Picasso.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Now I see what you guys mean with the it exploded behind SS point. But where are you getting every single BD exploding from behind the statue's main body from? And answer my post to Eng nawashi too. Curious what you have to say.

DA you answer too when you get the chance.

How come it takes Waltz to say something for you to believe when i already told you that the Bijuudama explosion only affected the back of SS.

 

[Waltz]

I amont saying that PS was damaged by the TTB .I am saying that it was merely caught in the blast .it not being able to completely blast its away through SS doesn't mean that the explosion has stretched far bigger than SS .

How is the force bypassing Shin-Shuusenju and stretching to Perfect Susano'o? What mechanism are you referring to? ​

 

[Eng nawashi]

How is the force bypassing Shin-Shuusenju and stretching to Perfect Susano'o? What mechanism are you referring to? ​

Bee's TTB didn't erase his BM yet the explosion has stretched bigger than Hachibi .the same case is here .the explosion stretched far beyond SS despite not being able to completely destroy it .

 

[TRE MERCER]

Bee's TTB didn't erase his BM yet the explosion has stretched bigger than Hachibi .the same case is here .the explosion stretched far beyond SS despite not being able to completely destroy it .

This is completely wrong. The back of SS is much bigger than the SS statue it's self. Also if the tbb explosion made it to Ps it would have to hit SS main body where Hashirama was. Hashirama had no protection on top of the Mokujins head which means he'd be caught in the explosion. If he was caught in the explosion he'd be dead.

End results the Bijuudama explosion never made it past SS arms.

 

[Waltz]

Bee's TTB didn't erase his BM yet the explosion has stretched bigger than Hachibi .the same case is here .the explosion stretched far beyond SS despite not being able to completely destroy it .

When Bee releases his Bijuu dama the vector of the force is all in one direction; opposite to the location of his actual body. If you're referring to the fireball we already know the BD's Fireball was enough to completely destroy the arms on the construct which happens to be made of the same material as the physical body. If the fireball stretched pass the construct it and the body should have suffered the same fate but the Manga showed the extent to where the explosive Damage was dealt where Shin-shuusenju's main body is concerned, it was just at the top of construct base on it's back

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