Kisame and Bee > Sasori and Minato right?

[TRE MERCER]

That's your position, not an argument. An argument consists of multiple supporting details which your position is lacking.

There is no need when i can say one thing that gets the job done bud. such as Bee using a Bijuudama from the start of the battle.

Bee solo's then he nukes the BF. Kisame doesn't need to be on his team.

 

[NarutoX28]

There is no need when i can say one thing that gets the job done bud. such as Bee using a Bijuudama from the start of the battle.

Then you've failed to convince me that your proposition is correct.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Then you've failed to convince me that your proposition is correct.

How? Admit it you don't have a counter for it until you admit that then don't say i don't have an argument i have an argument one that you can't counter.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That's dependent on whether or not the poison is distributed throughout the entirety of his Waterdome which given how Bee's ink was distributed throughout the entirety of the dome, I see no reason why Sasori's wouldn't be.

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That was because the ink was gradually dissolving within the water, Sasori's poison does not, as I showed you. Also, Bee released much more quantities of ink than Sasori has ever been shown to use. His weapons are only coated with poison.

 

[NarutoX28]

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That was because the ink was gradually dissolving within the water, Sasori's poison does not, as I showed you. Also, Bee released much more quantities of ink than Sasori has ever been shown to use. His weapons are only coated with poison.

Yeah you're right, I'll take the L unless Brother Numpsay can address it.

 

[NarutoX28]

How? Admit it you don't have a counter for it until you admit that then don't say i don't have an argument i have an argument one that you can't counter.

I presented my counter-argument, but you deliberately ignored it in favor for your position that isn't substantiated with any evidence at all.

 

[Icelerate]

More like the other way around. Sasori's poison does not mix with water [

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]. As you can see, it is clearly very distinguishable within water, so the chances of Kisame willingly taking it in is around zero. Additionally, Sasori getting caught within the WD ends him. The water will seep and soak in his wooden body, which will slow down his movements. Kisamehada is also actively absorbing chakra, so manipulating a puppet with chakra strings isn't happening either.

That's not water, it is a medicinal fluid.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I presented my counter-argument, but you deliberately ignored it in favor for your position that isn't substantiated with any evidence at all.

Your counter argument was based on mindset which isn't permanent.

 

[NarutoX28]

Your counter argument was based on mindset which isn't permanent.

That doesn't explain how Bee would opt for nuking Kisame when he did everything his power to ensure that his comrades were protected.

 

[TRE MERCER]

That doesn't explain how Bee would opt for nuking Kisame when he did everything his power to ensure that his comrades were protected.

Remove Kisame from the battle and how do they counter it?

 

[NarutoX28]

Remove Kisame from the battle and how do they counter it?

Unless Bee is given ample time to manifest his Bijuu Mode, Minato can redirect it with Hiraishin or Sasori can simply poison him through Satetsu, preventing him from molding any chakra.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Unless Bee is given ample time to manifest his Bijuu Mode, Minato can redirect it with Hiraishin or Sasori can simply poison him through Satetsu, preventing him from molding any chakra.

They can do all of this before Bee can shoot a Bijuudama? Didn't i already tell you that he'd shoot it at the ground. Sasori poison is capable of no such feats.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Going to sleep after this.

I completely agree with that claim of blood and chakra fusion but this still doesn't help Sasori get the poison to the actual body. That poison can only paralyze if it pierces it's never going to pierce a v2 cloak especially since we've seen v2 cloaks tank

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. Killer bee has nothing to worry about here. Kisame's in the same boat if he fuses with Samehada as well since he gets it's durability. If the sand can't pierce them the poison can't enter there body.

You have no point since the scans I added shows this is Buijuu Mode in Humaniod form meaning the Buijuu's "body" is being used too. And thanks to Gyuuki he supports my point that the poison working though the chakra shroud is as if its working though the both the user and the Buijuu itself. As Ill post again[

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]. So no he does not need to pierce thorough the chakra, the poison can work through it.

Dude stop giving Kisame feats he never shown even capable of tanking. And of course the damn Iron Spikes is capable of tearing flesh, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to explain this.

Actually it's the quite opposite chakra hands burn skin their bodies don't since Gai or Orochimaru didn't burn.

I tried reading this a couple of time. I have no idea what you are saying. Are you conceding your point that chakra shrouds body dont actually vaporize flesh on contact?

When i said useless i was talking about Iron sand piercing anyone on team 1. My point still stands here as you can't refute it since Iron sand piercing feats isn't above Kakashi Raikiri or Kusanagi blade. Lol speed won't change the outcome here. Killer bee debatable? Stop Killer bee easily overwhelmed someone as fast as Sasuke in cqc this was prior to him activating his cloaked armor which makes him faster. As for Kisame a 30% clone reacted to 6gate Gai speed. The real Kisame would have no problem reacting to Sasori iron sand. GSB completely shits on Sasori ironsand projectiles.

Anyone bro?You can argue V2 tanking anyone of Team 2 attacks based on the feats (which I never argued against to begin with) but you have zero feats of other defenses for the team you are defending, capable of tanking attacks that eats and pulverize bedrock for breakfast which Iron Sand does.

What does pressuring someone close quarters has anything to do with reacting to a projectile attack? Nothing.

Kisame mentally (not physically) reacting to 6th Gates doesnt even begin to support your claim that Kisame can dodge Iron Sand. You can't even argue that 6th Gates moves faster then

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GSB craps on IS if it actually clashes yes. Too bad IS has way faster execution (shown and stated by DB that it can increase its speed. As GSB need hand signs first so it easily interrupts. And 2, IS projectiles can change mid flight

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And I really hope you arent arguing that Kisame Clones can do GSB because you have yet explain what they would do stop him.

Except Sasori projectiles doesn't suggest there faster enough to clear this amount of

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. That's Hachibi whirlwind crater now compare that to the size of a

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Sasori iron sand isn't covering that distance in time so stop. Kisame won't have to swim 1000 feet undergroud when Bijuudama explosions don't dig that deep. Backfire the Bijuudama back? What if he decides to fire it at the ground or shoot a Bijuudamam barrage he can't catch all 4 of them. Further more where would he send them? He doesn't have Kunai outside the battlefield so he'd redirect them right back in the same battle field.

I have no idea what point you are making. You are assuming the distance of the aftermath of an attack is suppose to faster then the intention attack that could potentially be struck first? That makes no sense. You also brought up Whirlwind in your argument, something you already concede as it benefits Team 2. Then you assumed that Kisame it up and ready swimming underground, enough time to avoid Buijudama explosion while the team 2 (who has superior reaction) stands there helpless and donest makes any pre cations??

I already counter Buijuudama on the ground. I literally said 3rd Kazekage could have a couple of FTG Kunais floating in the air using his magnetic field range. In fact Kazkage can have all FTG Kunais under any control and can be at any place at anytime desire.

Hachibi tell has constantly been cut by kunai.

Constantly by Kunai's? Lol this should be fun, show me.

Hachibi tail was chopped off by Hachibi's own hand. Cutting Hachibi tail isn't an impressive feat. He's fused with Samehada why would his body be weaker than his blade when there fused? Fused means to combine two or more substances that would make no sense for his skin to be weaker than Samehada.

You can't be serious. How is Hachibi cutting his own tail a BAD FEAT? Do you know how strong Hacibi is? Did you not see that it also took Raiton or Huge Ninja Tool to cut something like that? Minato was capable of tearing through that of its size, along with goring the ground. You have no feats that suggest that Kisame can tank it, yet along argue he doesnt get wounded. You believing Kisame fusion durability increases does not prove it increased to the point he can tank attacks I presented.

Ok ill explain in good detail. If he uses Gas like poison Killer bee tails or roar would blow that away. If he uses liquid poison the water washes it away it's not hard to grasp my friend. Doesn't matter when Minato teleport it IS piercing feats are poopy.

Good arguments i must admit but it's over.

None of these attacks I used in my premise. IS feats are poopy? Last time I checked it was eating through bedrock. Last time I check, it can change form to be much much more lethal.

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[Jugram Haschwalth]

You have no point since the scans I added shows this is Buijuu Mode in Humaniod form meaning the Buijuu's "body" is being used too. And thanks to Gyuuki he supports my point that the poison working though the chakra shroud is as if its working though the both the user and the Buijuu itself. As Ill post again[

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]. So no he does not need to pierce thorough the chakra, the poison can work through it.
Dude stop giving Kisame feats he never shown even capable of tanking. And of course the damn Iron Spikes is capable of tearing flesh, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to explain this.

There is a big difference between poison and physical damage. Also no it won't work through it bee said they feel the same pain not share the same wounds which is why Bee body wasn't harmed. Which means Bee at the least will feel the poison but won't be directly affected. Stop the non-sense. The poison is never working when Killer bee can dodge his attacks so stop im honestly annoyed at the way your overrating his poison in every instant. Plus i see you constantly ignore how the poison won't affect Minato but ok.

I tried reading this a couple of time. I have no idea what you are saying. Are you conceding your point that chakra shrouds body dont actually vaporize flesh on contact?

How can't you read that? Ill simplify it for you. Chakra arms of the v2 cloak burn skin not the Chakra on the v2 cloaks body can you U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D that?

Anyone bro?You can argue V2 tanking anyone of Team 2 attacks based on the feats (which I never argued against to begin with) but you have zero feats of other defenses for the team you are defending, capable of tanking attacks that eats and pulverize bedrock for breakfast which Iron Sand does.
What does pressuring someone close quarters has anything to do with reacting to a projectile attack? Nothing.
Kisame mentally (not physically) reacting to 6th Gates doesnt even begin to support your claim that Kisame can dodge Iron Sand. You can't even argue that 6th Gates moves faster then

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Piercing rock is supposed to be impressive? Killer bee can chop right through a rock yet failed to do the same against Samehada. That was a 30% clones of Kisame which i mentioned and if he opted to block instead of attacked he would have blocked. Now put the real Kisame in that scenario and does even better. IS failed to pierce Chiyo's puny little chakra shield yet there going to pierce Samehada? Stop. Kisame infact dodge iron sand. He won't be restricted to a small cave like Chiyo was. IS is now faster than 6gate Gai? Based from what? Speed of sound isn't impressive in Narutoverse id argue gated part 1 Lee is faster than that. How does Sasori protect himself if V2 Bee decides to attack him?

GSB craps on IS if it actually clashes yes. Too bad IS has way faster execution (shown and stated by DB that it can increase its speed. As GSB need hand signs first so it easily interrupts. And 2, IS projectiles can change mid flight

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And I really hope you arent arguing that Kisame Clones can do GSB because you have yet explain what they would do stop him.

Increases it's speed? OK that's fair but i assume your going to take this out of context and try to make up some unrealistic speed feat for this but ok.

I have no idea what point you are making. You are assuming the distance of the aftermath of an attack is suppose to faster then the intention attack that could potentially be struck first? That makes no sense. You also brought up Whirlwind in your argument, something you already concede as it benefits Team 2. Then you assumed that Kisame it up and ready swimming underground, enough time to avoid Buijudama explosion while the team 2 (who has superior reaction) stands there helpless and donest makes any pre cations??

Im proving to you that Sasori can't escape the aoe of a Bijuudama with the points i made above but as usual you ignore any of my concrete post but ill except it. I only mentioned the whirl wind to show you how much space a Bijuudama explosion covers. Your acting like you have no comprehension skills but i see right through it this is nothing but another attempt to ignore another one of my concrete post.

I already counter Buijuudama on the ground. I literally said 3rd Kazekage could have a couple of FTG Kunais floating in the air using his magnetic field range. In fact Kazkage can have all FTG Kunais under any control and can be at any place at anytime desire.

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Constantly by Kunai's? Lol this should be fun, show me.
You can't be serious. How is Hachibi cutting his own tail a BAD FEAT? Do you know how strong Hacibi is? Did you not see that it also took Raiton or Huge Ninja Tool to cut something like that? Minato was capable of tearing through that of its size, along with goring the ground. You have no feats that suggest that Kisame can tank it, yet along argue he doesnt get wounded. You believing Kisame fusion durability increases does not prove it increased to the point he can tank attacks I presented.

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Here we also have Hachibi literally slicing his tail off with a

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. His tails aren't as durable as you think. That tail wasn't even full sized that Minato cut threw. Kisame only tanks it when he's fused with Samehada not his regular skin i thought that was pretty much obvious. He tanks Samehada durability that already tanked Killer bee's blade.

None of these attacks I used in my premise. IS feats are poopy? Last time I checked it was eating through bedrock. Last time I check, it can change form to be much much more lethal.

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IS feats are poopy they were stopped by Chiyo chakra shield. That change is nothing but speculation so it's irrelevant.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

That's not water, it is a medicinal fluid.

Stated where? Because I had already checked the DB page for it, and it mentions absolutely nothing about medical fluid. What would even be the basis behind speculating it being a form of "medical fluid"? Either way, the fact remains that Sasori's poison does not dissolve with another liquid substance. Even if it did, we're still unfortunately attempting to claim that a very minuscule amount of poison is going to have the same effect while mixed in with a massive body of water. Either way you look at it, it's not happening.

 

[Icelerate]

Stated where? Because I had already checked the DB page for it, and it mentions absolutely nothing about medical fluid. What would even be the basis behind speculating it being a form of "medical fluid"? Either way, the fact remains that Sasori's poison does not dissolve with another liquid substance. Even if it did, we're still unfortunately attempting to claim that a very minuscule amount of poison is going to have the same effect while mixed in with a massive body of water. Either way you look at it, it's not happening.

Never mind I have no proof, I read the

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but that isn't proof of anything. Still that liquid Sakura was using was never stated to be water so it can't be used as proof for your claim either. I agree that Sasori somehow poisoning such a massive body of water isn't happening.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Never mind I have no proof, I read the

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and

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but that isn't proof of anything. Still that liquid Sakura was using was never stated to be water so it can't be used as proof for your claim either. I agree that Sasori somehow poisoning such a massive body of water isn't happening.

It wasn't stated to be water, but it was literally lying inside a bowl. I don't see how some special medical fluid can be accessed out of nowhere, and casually put inside a bowl, especially with no actual medical equipment in sight. I would consider the possibility if they had Kankuro somewhere like

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, but he wasn't. Just doesn't add up to me, but yeah, anyways, I believe my point still stands.

 

[Edogawa]

Minato was explicitly stated to be above Bee considering both Raikage and Bee as a duo could never best Minato and Minato possesses a feasible defense against Bee's Bijuudamas.

When was this ''explicitly'' stated? Last time I checked, the fight took place when Bee was still inexperienced with Hachibi's power, and still made Hirashin blitzes look pitiful with natural reflex and none of external influences - Sennin Mode that other characters needed to keep up with Hirashin. Obviously the progress of time means Bee is a lot more powerful than the time he fought Minato, regardless whether that statement was said or not.

OT: Bee can potentially stomp both of them. The huge fire-power of TBB, additionally fired multiple times, can cover an area many times greater than the extent Minato can teleport or Sasori can manipulate the sand, and none of the two have defensive properties for something of Bee's magnitude fire-power. Bee previously countered Hirashin with pure reflex and without any defense, so it should come no surprise he can beat Minato comfortably with the developed time he harnessed his skills throughout. I can see the poison, if it actually kills, taking Bee out - however, his Biju's internal body structure should suffice in rendering the poison ineffective, because Biju's don't have human anatomy system that the poison was designed to do. It all depends on whether Bee is at the state of Biju transformation or human form, but I'm leaning towards Bee.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

There is a big difference between poison and physical damage. Also no it won't work through it bee said they feel the same pain not share the same wounds which is why Bee body wasn't harmed. Which means Bee at the least will feel the poison but won't be directly affected. Stop the non-sense. The poison is never working when Killer bee can dodge his attacks so stop im honestly annoyed at the way your overrating his poison in every instant. Plus i see you constantly ignore how the poison won't affect Minato but ok.

Are you even reading what you are saying? How the hell can you feel the same damage but dont have the same damage? Then you have the audacity to say I am the one speaking non sense? You are making my point irrefutable and at this point I am waiting for you to use some common sense and concede.

Never argued V2 couldn't dodge IS as it wasn't relevant if he could. You said this in your premise:

Bee cloak protect him completely from Minato poison kunai while it also gives him the offensive power to plow through Sasori iron sand and also tank his iron sand.

If your premise was to engage IS offense to begin with then simply making his

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would suffice for my premise to work.

Lol I never said Minato get be immune to poison. I literally argue that Minato can teleport away from any threat.

How can't you read that? Ill simplify it for you. Chakra arms of the v2 cloak burn skin not the Chakra on the v2 cloaks body can you U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D that?

Saying "I concede this point" would have been a lot simpler.

Piercing rock is supposed to be impressive? Killer bee can chop right through a rock yet failed to do the same against Samehada. That was a 30% clones of Kisame which i mentioned and if he opted to block instead of attacked he would have blocked. Now put the real Kisame in that scenario and does even better. IS failed to pierce Chiyo's puny little chakra shield yet there going to pierce Samehada? Stop. Kisame infact dodge iron sand. He won't be restricted to a small cave like Chiyo was. IS is now faster than 6gate Gai? Based from what? Speed of sound isn't impressive in Narutoverse id argue gated part 1 Lee is faster than that. How does Sasori protect himself if V2 Bee decides to attack him?

Im going to need you to research rocks compare to bedrock. @Bold you have no point. Killer Bee can only chop through rock with chakra enhancement attacks. And your arguing that Bee's attack fails against Samehada, when chakra enhancements gets absorbed to do actual lethal damage to it? You have no point.

IS failing to pierce Chiyo chakra shield makes it a impressive feat for the shield lmao not discredit IS attack. So no you still have no point. Kisame opts to block it with Samehada and the speed of the attack will be too much for Samehada to absorb it all in time, thus takes damage before it absorbs the chakra in the sand. And since Samehada is alive being, it gets poisoned and useless.

Lol except you can't because no one has ever shown to break the sound barrier of their attack in part 1.

Sasori protects himself by shielding himself with Iron Sand against V2 blitz? Minato's teleportation?

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]Im proving to you that Sasori can't escape the aoe of a Bijuudama with the points i made above but as usual you ignore any of my concrete post but ill except it. I only mentioned the whirl wind to show you how much space a Bijuudama explosion covers. Your acting like you have no comprehension skills but i see right through it this is nothing but another attempt to ignore another one of my concrete post.

Let me get this straight. A much slower Kisame is going to move faster underground to escape the blast range of TBB while the fastest character Minato, who can set up FTG fields wider then the Juubi itself, and Sasori Kazekage magnetic attacks to increase the launch speed of a Kunai in the air, which is way faster then Kisame, is going to be a fail plan?

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Here we also have Hachibi literally slicing his tail off with a

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. His tails aren't as durable as you think. That tail wasn't even full sized that Minato cut threw. Kisame only tanks it when he's fused with Samehada not his regular skin i thought that was pretty much obvious. He tanks Samehada durability that already tanked Killer bee's blade.

Bee's blade does not have any where near power to match Minato's Kunai. Not when its best feat was barely piercing Sasuke's and Kisames flesh. And you are comparing that attack power to something that pirece through flesh-like along with goring the ground? I arrest my case. You dont have a point and Kisame is not leaving without a wound on his body.

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]IS feats are poopy they were stopped by Chiyo chakra shield. That change is nothing but speculation so it's irrelevant.

Addressed.

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol @ Sasori poison putting down gyuki who's body dwarfs that of a human and immune system is most likely 100x stronger especially since the poison takes 3 days to kill a human smh.